beatenwarrior
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I retract this. I'm wrong in this matter.
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When exposing people to DMT for the first time I make sure they DO NOT break through. A glimpse behind the curtain is far enough for at least half of first timers, if not too far. The fifty percent (way less in reality) that can and should break through their first time can wait until the next time I can dose them and people that are disappointed with a sub-breakthrough experience are usually the people that seriously need an attitude adjustment. They get their dose eventually and hopefully learn a lesson in patience along the way.
Over-loading is something you suggest to someone who has already exhausted their other options and has already gotten a feel for the spice.
Over-loading is something you suggest to someone who has already exhausted their other options and has already gotten a feel for the spice.
beatenwarrior said:
You are missing the point here, beatenwarrior. How do you know people wouldn't be able to "clear the pipe" when loading 80mg or even 50-60mg? It's not sound advice when dealing with a platform such as youtube. You changed the title of this thread stating you are "wrong in this matter", but contradict that statement by saying you can't see the harm in suggesting such a large dose.
I commended your ability to see the error of your ways, but you then keep insisting that you are not at fault regarding the info you provide.
Please listen to the advice given. You do not seem like a bad person, but you also don't seem to let up on some very important points regarding harm reduction.
Is there any chance we can put an end to this discussion and find some sort of compromise? I can't see any other way of dealing with this...
Nathanial.Dread
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There are few problems with this, the biggest one being that at least some of this is simply untrue.beatenwarrior said:
1) The intensity dose-response curve continues to climb after the 'breakthrough' has hit. 'Breakthrough' just means you feel as though you've entered some other place, hyperspace can get more intense as the dose increases. There may be a dose at which consciousness is reliably lost, or the ego becomes so annihilated that normal emotional processing is impossible, but that's not ever something you should go for, certainly not for a first timer.
2) Going for the breakthrough the first time can be risky, especially if the person is psychedelic-naive (and many people who have found DMT through the internet are). Erowid is littered with experience reports by people who went too far too fast and ended up in Hell.
3) "It's not as if going from 40mg to 80mg would increase your chances on damaging your mental health."
Unless you have citations for this, you cannot make that claim with any certainty. The mind is an incredibly complex thing, and to make such a strong claim without evidence is extremely risky. You are doubling the dose being administered, going from 40 to 80 mg. There are plenty of drugs for which doubling the dose can be absolutely catastrophic.
There's good beginner advice all over the forum: start low, go slow. Take the time to learn about the drug and integrate each experience in a meaningful way.
Blessings
~ND
I would just like to echo this sentiment. We all have the same goal at heart. We are only speaking from a place of love, trying to protect something we all love. If nothing else I think this thread has served to change some perspectives. :thumb_up:DoingKermit said:
beatenwarrior
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I apologize for the tone of my post beatenwarrior - it was intended to be blunt and direct but came off as arrogant and self-righteous. That being said, we aren't trying to bully you. But we can't emphasize enough how dangerous your videos are. You are spreading misinformation (I'm sorry, but if you read through the many threads on the Nexus you will learn a great deal and realize that much of the content of your How to DMT video is simply not factual in any regard) and worse, promoting extremely dangerous abuse of the sacred molecule. That is unacceptable and we here at the Nexus do not tolerate such behavior and endangerment of our community, the molecule, and countless people watching your videos. If you won't take the time to read and research here to better and further your scientific understanding of the molecule, than we have no choice but take action against your videos. I'm sorry man, but you really picked the wrong battle to try to fight.
Peace and love
Peace and love
beatenwarrior said:DoingKermit said:
I feel for ya man, I truly do. I personally didn't find your videos offensive but I can understand why some on this site would. The thing your not realizing is that you came into here guns blazing. The dmt nexus is like grandma's house where you have to take your shoes off before you walk around. All the couches are covered in plastic and you aren't allowed to say naughty things. All jokes aside, I do love this place
Ok back to where I was before, you came in here guns blazing and people responded in kind. So lets not get defensive and hurt over something that could have been avoided if a little tact was used. I'm just as bad as you, but I don't actually get offended when someone hurts my feelings. Shit man, you smoke dmt which can bring you to the deepest darkest pits of "hell". Lets not get our feelings hurt over some words on a computer screen.
Being someone who has never weighed out a dose and just filled the bowl to the top and layered some herb on top of it I don't really see the point of making a big deal between 40 and 80mg. DMT may be the "strongest" psychedelic but it's rather short lived. You may see hell but you'll be back. Drugs that stay in your system the longest imo are far more dangerous to work with. Anyways, I'm sure i'll ruffle a few feathers with this post but I did so, so you won't feel singled out.
beatenwarrior said:
Thank you. I am really impressed that you are willing to make a change, and I too apologize for anything I wrote that felt personally offensive.
I hope that you find a way to stick with the Nexus site for a while. It probably feels a bit like you were backed into a corner by a bunch of DMT fascists, but give us a chance. There are a lot of really great people here.
You are clearly are as enthralled with the molecule as the rest of us. We should be allies.
I think it was a very good video, especially if you change a few things. I think if Dmt nexes people post what is wrong with videos instead of flagging that would help especially if you/other take good stuff and annotate inaccuracies/problems. Everyone heard about dmt from someone, no one had this innate knowledge at birth.
Jakup said:
This is what I think most Nexians are trying to say, in a surprisingly aggressive way.
DMT isn't a walk in the park. It's a pretty serious choice to make. Having an introductory video is nice and all, but the content of your videos seem like it's definitive information. That there is nothing else to learn. Just get some DMT and toke up. You definitely need to redirect people to sites like this to encourage responsible use. I can understand the emotions of the Nexians here. The general attitude here is to learn about the molecule, partake in the molecule, and learn FROM the molecule. It's sacred to many people.
There's a video by someone called Adam Cokehead (or something like that), where they explicitly say to buy DMT online. That specific video goes against everything this place stands for.
I've seen some of the comments on your videos. It was a pretty big wake up call for me; not everyone that knows about DMT is spiritually minded. In fact there were a lot of people who seemed like they were looking for the next high. Your various "VS" videos are a bit too rushed and counterproductive. I like the idea of comparing the effects, but I think it should be done scientifically.
Here's my two cents. Live and let live. Post videos with introductory information. Redirect people that are interested to places like the Nexus wiki so that they may learn. If they are not willing to learn, then Jakup's quote sums it up quite nicely. That's the right attitude to have, I think. Not overly hostile, not elitist, and compassionate.
I was shocked to see aggressive posts by veteran Nexians.
beatenwarrior
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beatenwarrior said:
I guess that begs the question: should a person who is NOT spiritually minded venture into something like DMT? Should your focus be very spiritual, kind of spiritual, not very spiritual or completely Richard Dawkins?
Instead of people on this forum attacking PsychedSubstance, why not offer suggestions and tips? He's got the subscribers, this site has the info. Cooperation yo. It gets shit done.
Jakup said:
The thing is...they'll do it anyways. They'll get info from youtube and reddit (r/dmt) and so on. Many just don't care about this page (which is a pitty, yes. But this also has to do with the people on here, who take fairy tales for real). When we want them to use DMT in the way the nexus suggests it, the nexus must spread it's information on said portals.
Exactly this.
What happened to "Learn, Share, Expand"?
beatenwarrior said:
Lets be honest, you are not worried about them being removed because you are a youtube partner and they can no longer be removed by flagging.
You've already said that the only result of them being flagged is the age restriction and the fact that you can no longer generate AD revenue off of them for financial gain, which you were quite upset about.
I don't think you are a bad person but I think people here have a right to know that this is a big factor in your feelings about this and that it is not about them being at risk of removal.
beatenwarrior
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I'm sorry if you felt I was attacking you, that is not my intent. Tone definitely doesn't travel through the pixels well. I'm just relaying the information you told me, because this entire thread seemed misleading when, as I understood it then based on our talk, they weren't even in jeopardy of being removed to begin with (thanks for relaying more info that they still are, because I don't know how that part of youtube works). I never said your only intent was to make money and I don't think you are a bad person. But I think people here had a right to know the details of the situation and that money was definitely a factor in the creation of this thread.
I didn't even flag any of your videos and didn't think the How To video needed to be removed, although it could certainly be improved a lot. I thought it was mostly OK apart from the 80mg recommendation... There is a massive difference between a breakthrough on 40mg of DMT in one hit and 80mg in one hit, it is night and day and we shouldn't downplay that there are serious psychological risks for some people. We've had more than a few members here post about such cases involving serious lingering psychological difficulties after just one experience. Downplaying this is never something I like to do even though DMT is for the most part very safe.
I didn't even flag any of your videos and didn't think the How To video needed to be removed, although it could certainly be improved a lot. I thought it was mostly OK apart from the 80mg recommendation... There is a massive difference between a breakthrough on 40mg of DMT in one hit and 80mg in one hit, it is night and day and we shouldn't downplay that there are serious psychological risks for some people. We've had more than a few members here post about such cases involving serious lingering psychological difficulties after just one experience. Downplaying this is never something I like to do even though DMT is for the most part very safe.
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