i think i failed again

[wesker]

evening all, this was my second attempt to extract dmt by myself and i am guessing i failed again, ive followed this tek TEK: Boil n Base V1.2 updated - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus as it is, and ended up with some yellow naphtha, ive placed a sample on the freezer the whole weekend and nothing happened, i dont know what i am doing wrong. any help would be appreciated

 

[Earthwalker]

What are you trying to extract from ?
How much bark ?
How much naphtha are you using to pull with ?
How many pulls have you done ?
Have you pre evaped ?
Are you trying to precipe in that jar ?

Edit ; what acid base and naphtha are you using ?

And have you followed the TEK to the T ?

 

[DreaMTripper]

Did you follow it exactly? What material did you extract from? We need more info to troubleshoot your process.

 

[wesker]

thnx for your fast replay!

mimosa hostilis (tepezcohuite is called here). Mimosa tenuiflora - Wikipedia

60g of powdered bark.

100ml of naphtha (zippo lighter fluid.

1 pull and it turned this yellow and nothing precipited, then reused the same naphtha but used a heated bath before pouring it again in the jar because ive had read naphtha can be reused several times and may help get a better yield.

i did not pre evaped.

i am trying to precipe in the little jar because its a sample.

i used white vinegar at 5% acidity (50ml) and NaCl in solid state (130g but then added a little more because i had an emulsion which i already broke), the white stones that react with water.

 

[Earthwalker]

thnx for your fast replay!

mimosa hostilis (tepezcohuite is called here and is sold on city market). Mimosa tenuiflora - Wikipedia

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Read the attitude section as there's no mentioning of buying or procuring allowed on here !!

Zippo will always pull more colour then shellite or naphtha so that is normal ,

How much liquid did you put the vinegar in ??

Also 130g lye is a awful lot !


Also you're using to much zippo , pull with 1g bark = 1 mg naphtha ! Also pre evap till it's milky then freeze precipe in a not so deep dish !

And what do you mean with white stones ?

 

[clyde_frog]

I found from personal exp that using more bark will allow the naptha to supersaturate, I don't really use any less then 500g of bark per extraction and pretty close to 1% yields, whereas I use 100grams of bark I get something like .6%. Idk why that is, just is, for me anyways

Oh it could b old bark too. Which the dmt will oxidize, which dmt-n-oxide is insoluable in naptha, I upped my yields dramatically using the zinc reduction method. But I am using a. confusa but the same principal should apply.

 

[wesker]

How much liquid did you put the vinegar in ??

And what do you mean with white stones ?

it was not much water, i just made a paste with the mimosa vinegar and water, then added the NaCl with 500ml of water, with stones i refer to this http://image.en.09635.com/2012-9/27/Snow-Melting-Agent-Mgcl2-Nacl-Cacl2-119.jpg

 

[Earthwalker]

I see the pic but wtf are the white stones :?:

 

[wesker]

well then not, i tought that enough water would be added with the NaCl.

now i am evaporating 20ml showed on the pic before and it looks like this, definetly i see stuff in there, how much naphtha would you recomend for the next pull? or to neutralize the NaCl i need more vinegar?

 

[clyde_frog]

Vinegar? The solution needs to b basic in order pull anything out of it with naptha my friend. and you do mean NaOH right? not table salt...

never mind, it does say in orion's tek to use table salt, my bad. I just never used the stuff

 

[wesker]

sorry, i was refering to NaOh.

well tomorrow ill se what i can do, i guess the naphtha is just not enough saturated, ill be back with results.

 

[obliguhl]

Clyde Fro is giving good advice. Use more bark next time. It is impossible to recover all spice with your naptha but it obviously doesn't matter that much if you use more bark...ratio wise.

Analogy:

If you go shopping, it always takes you...say 30 minutes to drive to the mall and back. It doesn't matter how much you buy.

Also, some bark might yield not much. My first extraction was 0.1% because the bark i used was of very poor quality.

 

[Entheogenerator]

There is some great advice on this thread, but one major thing has been overlooked thus far.

Wesker: are you 100% certain that what you have is Mimosa hostilis root bark? In my experience, "Tepezcohuite" (used for many traditional medicinal applications) typically refers to Mimosa hostilis trunk bark, which typically contains minuscule amounts of DMT, if any at all. [EDIT: I may have to redact this statement, as nen888 has since presented evidence to the contrary.] Mimosa hostilis root bark has not been used for these traditional medicinal applications.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it seems far more likely that the "Tepezcohuite" which is sold at your local market is trunk bark and not root bark.

 

[wesker]

There is some great advice on this thread, but one major thing has been overlooked thus far.

Wesker: are you 100% certain that what you have is Mimosa hostilis root bark? In my experience, "Tepezcohuite" (used for many traditional medicinal applications) typically refers to Mimosa hostilis trunk bark, which typically contains minuscule amounts of DMT, if any at all. Mimosa hostilis root bark has not been used for these traditional medicinal applications.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it seems far more likely that the "Tepezcohuite" which is sold at your local market is trunk bark and not root bark.

ok what i got this time was powdered mimosa hostilis, now that you say that, i am not sure if its root bark...

but the first time what i got looked exactly like this

http://s9.postimg.org/ylearwxjz/IMG_0950.jpg

which i had to turn into powder with my blender and end up with some pulp-powder stuff, this time what i got looked more dark-brown than the first one that looked like the pic, would the one of the pic shall work? i am totally confused now.

 

[Entheogenerator]

That really doesn't help much, as I imagine the trunk bark and the root bark probably look very similar.

Honestly, I would expect "Tepezcohuite" (trunk bark) to be fairly common in Central American markets, due to the fact that it is commonly used in the region for many applications. On the other hand, I would be a little surprised if root bark was sold in Central American markets. Root bark doesn't really have many common uses that I am aware of, other than extracting DMT and brewing tea to be consumed.

 

[nen888]

regarding true trunk bark, from Mimosa Tenuiflora/Hostilis: Jurema, Spreading the Medicine - Collaborative Research Project - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

let's start by taking a look at the tree bark and its reported contents of psycho-active tryptamines.

In samples of six-year-old micropropagated MT in Morelos, Mexico, concentration of DMT in tree bark was found to be significant, particularly during the dry, cool season (0,35% of DMT in january) when compared to the humid, warm season (0,11% in june). The bark of wild trees in Chiapas, México, was reported to have concentrations of 0,2% DMT in the same research, but the season of harvest was not specified (2).

In another study, samples of inner bark stem collected between August and September in several locations in the State of Sergipe, Northeastern Brazil, were analyzed by developing MSPD combined with GC-MS (6). The concentrations found give a mean of 0,31% DMT for inner stem bark samples obtained from humid coastal regions, and 0,58% (ranging from 0,15% to as high as 0,93%) for the samples from semi-arid regions in the same state. This agrees with our findings of apparently high concentration of actives in the stem bark of MT under water stress, and reinforces the correlation between lower humidity levels (either due to season or to regional characteristics) and higher alkaloid yields in the tree bark.

 

[Entheogenerator]

regarding true trunk bark, from Mimosa Tenuiflora/Hostilis: Jurema, Spreading the Medicine - Collaborative Research Project - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

let's start by taking a look at the tree bark and its reported contents of psycho-active tryptamines.

In samples of six-year-old micropropagated MT in Morelos, Mexico, concentration of DMT in tree bark was found to be significant, particularly during the dry, cool season (0,35% of DMT in january) when compared to the humid, warm season (0,11% in june). The bark of wild trees in Chiapas, México, was reported to have concentrations of 0,2% DMT in the same research, but the season of harvest was not specified (2).

In another study, samples of inner bark stem collected between August and September in several locations in the State of Sergipe, Northeastern Brazil, were analyzed by developing MSPD combined with GC-MS (6). The concentrations found give a mean of 0,31% DMT for inner stem bark samples obtained from humid coastal regions, and 0,58% (ranging from 0,15% to as high as 0,93%) for the samples from semi-arid regions in the same state. This agrees with our findings of apparently high concentration of actives in the stem bark of MT under water stress, and reinforces the correlation between lower humidity levels (either due to season or to regional characteristics) and higher alkaloid yields in the tree bark.

Huh, interesting. Now that you mention it, I can't remember where exactly I had read that the DMT content of trunk bark was negligible. So perhaps my memory has fooled me once again! :roll:

Thanks for sharing, nen!

 

[xram]

Very interesting about the tree bark concentrations. Knowing that the stems of MH contain actives is very useful. Any studies done on the leaves?

 

[pitubo]

On a related note: I extracted Acacia Confusa stem bark from Taiwan with very satisfying result. Gives a very colorful pharmahuasca experience too, much more colorful than Mimosa.

 

[Mimosa_Man]

I always used Cyb's hybrid atb salt tek, it's easy as pie and has amazing results. Try extracting from your bark with this tek, if you still don t get dmt from it then your bark doesn't have dmt in it.