Injecting JimJam fumarate?

[WannaBeShaman]

When you do a full spectrum extraction, and do a FASA to convert the alkaloids into fumarate salts, they become water soluble and injectable.

I have never heard of anyone injecting a full spectrum extract of MHRB and was wondering what people thought (Yes injecting extracts is dumb, but assume as if the extract was cleaned multiple times and put through a micron filter just for good measure, making it perfectly safe)

I can imagine it would definitely be different, and if anything in jimjam that gets destroyed by flames that could convert to a salt (possible Yuremamine? Although I cant don't know think that would convert to a fumarate) could be felt in an injection.

Any thoughts or experience?

 

[olympus mon]

What makes Jim jam is fats oils and unidentified alkaloids. How you plan on cleaning up Jim jam to inject I have no idea. It doesn't really sound possible. You would be making purer dmt not cleaner Jim jam. Injecting jungle dmt sounds like s terrible idea. Even injecting dmt isn't quite as simple as dissolving spice in water from my conversations with those that enjoy this roa. I'm not an anti injecting dmt person but IV to me you better know what your doing. IM is a safer option but maybe drop the Jim jam idea and find people that can safely help you with this.

 

[WannaBeShaman]

I know that there are oils and various in basic evaporated jimjam, but when you do a FASA, you will be getting all of the Alkaloids in their fumarate salts, and no oils.

Jimjam Fumarate vs pure DMT fumarate would be a different experience, if smoking alone is different. If there is an unstable alkaloid which mostly gets burned during smoking then injecting either IM or IV might give more of that effect. Snorting is probably the same

 

[olympus mon]

I think I have a different understanding of what Jim Jam is than you do. To me jim jam is all the things a fasi would remove leaving you with I'm pure dmt fumerate.

The only jim jam I have ever made was a reddish oily goo. Thats why I cant see IV being possible or safe.

Like I said Im not a needle hater as many here are. I very much want to do IM dmt when I find the best method to make it injectable. I have seen some a friend got in India and it was thick like an veg oil. He wasn't sure hoe it was made but assured me it wasn't as easy as dissolving fumerate into water.

Just be safe. Nasty infection and much worse can come from improper

 

[jamie]

jimjiam is full spectrum mimosa extract.

 

[FlyingFaders]

As mentioned above it depends on what you mean by jim-jam. Anything orange and oily is F@#%ing madness to inject, even IM!
Please be aware that the below is purely my experience and in no way do I think it a good idea. I did this a while ago and have not gone back there since, nor do i plan to.

I have experience of full range MHRB extract (STB - Xylene - FASA) that I washed repeatedly (more than seven times) with dry acetone and then re-crystalized from IPA twice, to get very clean white crystals. I placed this in a 1CC syringe and drew sterile injectable solution into it. A 1CC syringe is easier to handle than a bigger one.
IM 70 - 120mg fairly standard psychedelic effects, starting at 3-5mins and lasting 45-60mins.
Check you have not hit a blood vessel by gently pulling back on the plunger before proceeding. (must have left some space in the syringe for this). Even so it is possible that on withdrawing the needle, a droplet of blood emerges. If this happens, brace yourself because it will be considerably faster to come on and more intense (shnorkel oozing from the furniture etc.)
IV 35-55mg. This comes on within seconds and then.... well i'm sure you know what happens then if you have smoked freebase. 55mg for me works out to exactly 0.6mg/kg body weight expressed as the free base, which was the highest dose attempted in Strassmans study (they decided on a high dose of 0.4mg/kg as they thought 0.6 too high.) One of the most intense experiences of my life came out of this crazy trip to hyperspace.
That said, my most disturbing experience came from 120mg IM. No hyperspace, just tinkerbell telling me disturbing stuff!
If you are serious about doing this; and I DO NOT recommend it; then have a sitter. It is easy to injure yourself on a needle if it hits you too soon. Get some experience giving injections; I was fairly practiced. Make sure your product is very, very, very pure!

But seriously.....it is best to avoid this route outside of a research setting with medical support on hand. It comes on faster than smoking because it all hits you at once, rather than three inhalations. The rise in blood pressure can be intense.

Be Safe!

 

[cyb]

Read here
Without clinical grade fumerates and experienced sitters, you are asking for trouble.
:!:

 

[vineseeker]

sounds a bit strange to me :surprised

why do you want to do this?

 

[endlessness]

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

 

[WannaBeShaman]

I remember reading in one of the FASA/FASW/FASI extractions that the maker said it seemed as if all of the Alkaloids and good stuff in jimjim converted to a fumarate salt, that's the main reason why i ask.



If you clean a STB numerous times you would probably be left with just a nearly pure DMT extraction. If you Did a FASA you would (if the jimjam Fumarates are a real thing) you would end up with all the alkaloids.

doing a FASA Injection with jimjam (Xylene extraction) It turns out more orange (Atleast from the pictures have seen). If you cleaned the fumarates then you would be left with something shootable as FASA seems to make pretty pure stuff if done right.


I wish there was someone on here that has done this and done normal pure DMT,

If these "jimjam fumarates" (other than DMT obviously) did turn into fumarate salts it would be cool to test whats in them

 

[Michal_R]

it would be cool to test whats in them

Smoke it.
(= no reason to IV/IM)

 

[WannaBeShaman]

You obviously didn't read my posts, or comprehend the idea fully if you did.

 

[olympus mon]

Have you ever tried Iv or IM NN-dmt? Maybe start there and see if you like that. But again be safe.

 

[endlessness]

FASA/FASI alkaloid profile is the same as naphtha pulls. FASW is a bit different since it contains excess fumaric acid plus small amounts of other alkaloids and plant impurities, but whether this can affect the trip (or be safe for injecting) is another story altogether.

I think injecting FASW results seems potentially dangerous, and I wouldnt do it or recommend it. Please check the link I posted earlier for instructions and tips on a safe(r) proceedure to inject..

 

[Michal_R]

it would be cool to test whats in them

Smoke it.
(= no reason to IV/IM)

You obviously didn't read my posts, or comprehend the idea fully if you did.

Yes, I did read your post.
(I was just expressing my personal opinion about your plotted adventure).

 

[SnozzleBerry]

it would be cool to test whats in them

Smoke it.
(= no reason to IV/IM)

You obviously didn't read my posts, or comprehend the idea fully if you did.

Yes, I did read your post.
(I was just expressing my personal opinion about your plotted adventure).

Plus...we already know what's in them