Intriguing Half-Dream Vision

[Global]

This morning, as I was finishing dreaming, I knew that I was dreaming yet I was aware that I was laying in bed all the same. Normally if I were to open my eyes, the dream would come to an immediate halt. In this case they kind of just opened half way, and I could see a ghostly 3D bicycle tumbling through the space of my bedroom as clear as day. Although bikes had nothing to do with the dream I was having, yesterday my brother told me he was going to the bike shop, so perhaps that influenced things in some way. Perhaps the dream was about to take a turn that included bicycles. Who knows.

As many of you know, I don't tend to think that DMT is necessarily connected to the dream state. This bicycle hologram was pretty DMT'ish, but I still don't know what to think. An interesting difference between the dream state and the DMT state is that typically, when I open my eyes after dreaming, that's pretty much the end of that. Maybe some residual odd thoughts, but that's about it. The visuals come to a sharp close other than the typical entopic phosphene hallucinations that are typically present when waking up, or getting high or something of the like. When I open my eyes on DMT, the world becomes overlaid as a stable thing in this world. It's interesting to know what change must happen in the brain when coming out of a dream that opening ones eyes immediately cancels out the experience where the same doesn't hold true for DMT.

 

[Bancopuma]

Interesting experience thanks for sharing. I believe I've experienced something quite similar. It was a good few years ago now, when I was back in the UK having been to Peru, where I first experienced ayahuasca on three occasions. I woke up one night (this was definitely a real awakening as oppose to a false awakening) and above me in the blackness I could clearly see some swirly vortex type patterns. I could see them clearly for a few seconds before they faded. Was a brief experience but something I've not forgotten.

I've read that the early morning on waking can be a good launch pad for OBE's for some. If you wake up and can keep your eyes closed and lay still, you can scroll through a few different ways of getting out of your body in quick succession, such as rolling out, and one may eventually find themselves out of body.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Very intriguing phenomena. I can relate.

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A while ago, just this year actually, I too had a dream similar to what you experienced. Though, nothing of that nature. It was much more enticing, universal, supreme and spacious. It was slightly frightening and esoteric. I haven't come to the point in my life to take N,N-DMT, but this dream was very real, forceful and awe-inspiring. Similar to how Nexians describe the experience of DMT.

As I was coming out of sleep( though in theory I was still asleep, just not quite 'awake,' ) I brought my bed covers down off my face, something felt different than usual, and immediately I was launched in to this space of a galaxy-like force with pristine colors, space and sound. It was as if it was waiting for me to wake up. As I was struck by it, I turned my head away under the covers in fear. Once I took action, my bed covers flew off in to this space as if it was sucked out. My bed started to shake, and once I glanced over and stared at this 'thing'(force), it became stronger in intensity, swirling, constructing, and two brightly light stars from left and right, suddenly emerged and started to spin together in unison, bringing on this feeling of emergence. It was incredibly loud yet beautiful, I couldn't look away. It was fast, too. Very engaging. I could barely keep up with what I was seeing and experiencing. Was this death? Was this a message? Is it my unconscious awareness preparing me for the DMT experience itself? My thoughts and self remained untouched but were of no significance due to the overwhelming force that lay ahead of me.

Once these two stars formed a circle(from spinning so fast and accurately), the visuality quickly snapped out of acuity and everything became silent. Blackness momentarily. I awoke with a feeling of awe-stuck density. Life had not changed, though.

Before this happened I had some work-related changes which were/are going very well! I found what I had been keeping my eyes open for. Could this have been a meaning-related dream event or something else? I really cannot know. It left me with a feeling of unknowing and eventually questioning it. Yet the questioning lead me nowhere externally, just here, in this moment, internally.

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So, my question is(besides from having a DMT trip-based dream from previous entheogenic DMT states), have this force-like dream phenomena before engaging with DMT itself?

Heavily curious.

:thumb_up:

 

[۩]

I've read that the early morning on waking can be a good launch pad for OBE's for some. If you wake up and can keep your eyes closed and lay still, you can scroll through a few different ways of getting out of your body in quick succession, such as rolling out, and one may eventually find themselves out of body.

This is the best time to do it. I used to wake up, smoke a spliff, and lay back down. Not saying you should do that but it's what works for me. The eyes are more than just seers. They are also triggers. For example, if I am laying down as I said above I can move my eyes upward to the top of my skull and immediately I feel all of my energy vortexually gyrate and rise. If I am subdued enough by a slow breath it happens immediately. BOOM!

Loudest explosions and tube-like rushing noises I've ever heard. Also the most intense G-forces I have ever experienced. Then I am somewhere else within consciousness. OBE and in body experiences (biological microcosms). I would do this over and over again. Lift my eyes up, BOOM! put them back down, come back to my body, lift them up again, BOOM! It seemed to work more consistently than anything else I had tried.

To answer your question, Cognitive Heart, I was doing this before I tried DMT and also think there are some differences among the similarities. What I was experiencing was like disconnecting the mind from the body and then something random would happen. This is very much like DMT in its mechanics, but with DMT, it's on its own level. With that said I have also had completely random psychedelic experiences that I can not duplicate and I do not know how they have happened. Life is just inherently psychedelic, especially for those of us who have adopted its pattern (or I am just a lunatic).

I feel the same way you do Global except when sleep paralysis occurs. Then reality is overlaid with the dream world in a non DMT-like way (oh, except for the getting inspected part). :shock:

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Life is just inherently psychedelic, especially for those of us who have adopted its pattern (or I am just a lunatic).

Agreed! And interesting experiences prior to your sessions with DMT. I feel its the connection you ultimately have with who and what you are and your depth of experience, knowledge and perception.

No, no, only lunatics would deny the presence of these kinds of experiences, because many people go through this experiences without recognition or awareness of them. Not that there is anything wrong with that, its none of my business. Life and dreams are intricate!

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

Sounds like a pretty benign episode of sleep paralysis to me. Normally they're associated with feelings of dread and horror, but I suppose it might also be calm and peaceful as well. The bicycle hallucination seems kind of similar to other 3D "projection" hallucinations I've had during sleep paralysis.

 

[Global]

It wasn't really sleep paralysis. I'm often aware of the fact I'm dreaming, and I can often find myself moving my arms or legs or something to the effect, but if my eyes are still closed, the dream will persist. In a case of sleep paralysis, it feels like I'm unable to move any limbs be they my actual limbs or the ones of a dream body. In this situation, it was more like a lucid dream in which I accidentally opened my eyes half way.

 

[bluesky]

This has happened to me as well, although for me it has mostly been spiders about 0.5 m long walking along the walls and bottles of liquor standing beside my bed. For the most part they only last a few seconds but it's still really cool.

I only started seeing this after my first tripp on ayahuasca so maybe it's DMT that changes the brain in a way so that it's possible to get these visions.