Iran is getting invaded!?

[SHroomtroll]

Did anyone hear that the sweet Us of A has sent 3 carrier ships towards the gulf, this together with recent murder of an irani nuclear scientist smells like another us invasion.

guess they got a bit nervous about iran getting nuclear energy ehmm weapons:lol:

WW3 anyone?

 

[easyrider]

It's no laughing matter, if there truly is an impending invasion in the books. Nothing will happen as of now; it would be a nonsensical maneuver on behalf of Obama if he were to strike Iran with elections coming up.

 

[corpus callosum]

I dont think we're quite at the WW3 stage yet.The US is posturing here because Iran has threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz in response to the cranking-up of sanctions by Europe/US, but I would be very surprised if Iran actually blocked the Straits.

The whole Iran thing is very complicated because its not just the West and Israel who dont want Iran to become a nuclear-armed power; Saudi Arabia, in particular, is very strongly against Irans aspirations to get nuclear weapons.

The Us has certainly been watching Irans activities using satellites and unmanned drones, plus its been aiding groups within Iran who are opposed to the government for a range of reasons.The assassination of the Iranian scientist this week could have been orchestrated by a number of different players, not just the 'usual suspects'.

I think that if anyone was going to use force on Iran then my bets would be on Israel to do so, probably close to the time of the US election later this year as Israel knows any condemnation made at that time would be somewhat muted.

The situation there is very unpredictable though and the problems in Syria could have unforeseen scenarios arising.Irans closest and dearest ally in the Middle East is Syria, and further degeneration of things in Syria is quite likely to impact on the Lebanon where Iran-sponsored Hezbollah are a significant player.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Why? as far as i know every us president who has been in war has been reelected?

Actually all i can do is laugh about it since it madness at is fullest potential, the us is turning into a third world country with debts so deep it´s mind bogling.

So instead of trying to do something to impove their own situation they do the exact opposite and start a third war in the middle east...

I guess they needed somewere to send the tropps from irak now that they are moving out.

 

[Shaolin]

Less hype, more facts SHroomtroll ? Sorry but your title plus not a single media source makes a bad start for this discussion.

 

[easyrider]

Why? as far as i know every us president who has been in war has been reelected?

I don't believe any U.S. president initiated a major war right before an approaching election. If I'm wrong, someone correct me. Obama would jeopardize his re-election, seeing as the majority of the U.S. population is tired of all these wars.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Well lack of media coverage is pretty good reason to be worried imho.

I´m not saying it´s gonna happen cause noone can know that for sure, but sending 3 out of eleven of their carrier ships is a good start i would say.

I have been following this at a another forum so i can see if i find some links to share.

 

[SHroomtroll]

The United States is not at war with Iran yet, but just in case,the Pentagon says they want to be prepared. To do so, the Department of Defense has dispatched 15,000 troops to the neighboring nation of Kuwait.

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-troops-kuwait-iran-741/

The buddy-buddy relationship between American and Israel could falter as it is revealed that Mossad intelligence officers posed as CIA agents in order to recruit and train Iranian terrorists, all unbeknown to US authorities. [..]
"It's amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with," an intelligence officer speaking on condition of anonymity tells Foreign Policy’s Mark Perry. "Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn't give a damn what we thought."

http://rt.com/usa/news/israel-cia-mossad-iran-763/

 

[bindu]

Not the most respectful way of talking by placing a few warmachines in front of the doorstep.
especially after this unforgettable crime Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

if just somone would end fucking wars. Increase communication and insight in the true nature of our being.

I wish this so much but i cant see it

 

[Global]

Not the most respectful way of talking by placing a few warmachines in front of the doorstep.
especially after this unforgettable crime Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

if just somone would end fucking wars. Increase communication and insight in the true nature of our being.

I wish this so much but i cant see it

How can we expect to end wars in foreign nations when we can't get our shit straight here? We need to work on how we treat individuals that we interact with personally before the countries can do so. Even in war, I refer you to the time old saying, "as above, so below". If we can't get "below" straightened out, there's no chance for above.

 

[polytrip]

War rhethoric towards iran will get you (re) elected. An actual war would be rather stupid.

Unlike libya, afghanistan and iraq, iran is not completely defenceless, and it could actually hurt america militarily.

The costs of a war would be huge and almost unbearable, economically. And on top of that, it isn´t even certain that america would actually win such a war or that it wouldn´t spiral out of control, causing total chaos in the region.

In other words: america and iran can only loose a war. Not win. Neither side could actually benefit from it in any way.

This is all just rhetoric´s.
Moving some ships around, speaking tough language..it doesn´t mean anything. It´s just the way the political busines works.

 

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[jdubs]

Some would argue that WW3 began on 9/11. Im not sure if that is true or not, but it is certainly arguable.

That being said, if anyone invades Syria or Iran, China and/or Russia may not like the encroachment upon their own land, and if world war 3 hasnt already started it may start then. Lest we forget, certain Christian fundamentalists would like nothing more than an Armageddon-type war, as they are set to 'inherit the earth.'

Unstable times.

 

[polytrip]

No, it won´t be WW3 because of russia and/or china. This is world politic´s man, you have to try to look at it from their perspective. Both china and russia know that america will have to respond when iran blocks the strait of hormuz. Putin very well knows how HE would respond when he would be in obama´s shoe´s.

Just like the west knew russia had to respond when georgia attacked russian troops on south ossetia.

Ofcourse in the press, they´ll make statements that condemn the military display of power on the other side and they will make some threats: if russia/america would ever do X than we will do Y.

What realy happened is that sarkozy called putin and must have said something along the lines of:'hey vlad, if you´d impose a cease-fire i could talk to saakashvili and tell him what your demands are and what your troops are gonna do to his familymembers after they´ve showed his disfigured corpse on georgian national television if he refuses to surrender, then he will do whatever you want, you can save some money on ammo and meanwhile, in between talks we could maybe do some other business'.

China doesn´t want the strait of hormuz blocked either and in both russian and chinese view, iran is way out of line: america is big and iran is relatively small. For that reason alone, they see iran as the one that has to back down.

On the side, they both benefit from the current 'threat'. Putin´s political position depends on oil-prices and a little unrest in the middle-east makes oilprizes soar.

The west has imposed sanctions against iran. Iran has to sell oil somewhere. China is the only major oil importer left. So china says:'hey iran, we´re your good friend so we´re willing to buy some of that oil the west doesn´t want...let´s settle for a reasonable prize here...we´re such good friends after all, aren´t we?' So as you can figure, china also hugely benefits from irans relatively isolated position.

But to both, iran is a fly and america is an elephant. Both don´t want the situation in the middle-east to escalate and both will blame iran for escalating the situation.

You can bet your ass, that there are chinese and russian diplomats talking to ahmedinejad and the mulah´s right now, saying:'what the fuck are you guys doing?!? Back down!'

For now, i wouldn´t worry about another war.

When you start seeing high russian and/or chinese delegations to iran or frequent visit´s of ahmedinejad to moscow or peking...then i would start worrying. Because that would mean that the mulah´s have told those diplomats that they won´t back down.

But they will back down, because a war wouldn´t be in the interest of iran (unless ofcourse they´re close to having an atomic bomb and they´ll figure america/israel will do some minor airstrikes so they can act furiously and outraged and have their excuse to do their first nuclear test, but i don´t think they´re thát much of a gambler).

 

[Ios Andronikos]

"Both China and Russia know that America will have to respond when Iran blocks the straits of Hormuz"

How rediculous....

This is the pervasive view in the western media. But western journalists are lazy and merely act as a conduit for British & US propaganda. There is very little I can do to counter that in the limited space available, but let me mention a few facts generally ignored by our contemptible and agenda pushing 'western media'.

It suits the west to demonise Ahmadinejad and pretend he controls foreign policy ~ but that is not the case and I think it needs pointing out. For geopolitical, oil, reasons it is necessary for Washington to demonise Iran. (this basically because Iran is not under the control of the US and it has the audacity to have oil). In the west , any wild statement by president Ahmadinejad is circulated in headlines, dubiously translated. But Ahmadinejad has no control over foreign policy, which is in the hands of his superiors, the Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The US-UK media tend to ignore Khamenei's statments especially if they are conciliatory. It's widely reported when Ahmadinejad says Israel shouldn't exist (deliberately mistranslated as "wiped out" but there is silence when Khamenei says that Iran supports the Arab League position on Israel-Palestine, calling for normalisation of relations with Israel if it accepts the international consensus of a two state settlement. Many things which might have a bearing on Iranian attitudes are hardly mentioned in the western media. such as the covert war being conducted be the US-Iseal (and presumably the UK) inside Iran. From 2004-2006 Iran agreed to suspend all Uranium enrichment (even though everyone agrees they're legally entitled to do it), that was in agreement with the EU. In return the EU was to provide full guarantees on security issues - that meant getting the United States to call off its threats to attack and destroy Iran. The EU couldn't live up to its side of the deal, it couldn't get the United States to stop, so the Iranians also pulled out and returned to Uranium enrichment.

ElBaradei proposed a few years ago that no state be allowed to develop weapons grade material - all high enrichment should be done by an international agency to which countries must apply if they want high grade material. Only one country formerly agreed to ElBaradei's proposal. That counry is Iran...

Whats more, when it comes to the international Fissban treaty, which bans the production of fissile materials except under international control, the US has been strongly opposed to any verifiable treaty and it voted against it 147 to 1 (US being the 1).

It looks increasingly like Iran is being subjected to a barrage of propaganda and lies, designed to soften up gullible western public opinion for a new middle east war.

In charge of foreign policy and the military Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said, "We have no problem with the world. We are not a threat whatsoever to the world and the world knows it. We will never start a war. We have no intention of going to war with any state".

Clearly it's Irans lack of belligerence which is the greatest threat, since it robs the west of an excuse to invade. Yet Iran itself can, and is, threatened with impunity - but you're not supposed to notice that, we're allowed to behave like that. Why would Iran want a bomb? Ahmadinejad has repeatedly quoted founding father Khomeini's assertion that nuclear weapons are "un-Islamic".
Supreme Leader Khamenei issued a fatwa against them in 2004. Subsequently he declared "developing, producing or stockpiling nuclear weapons is forbidden under Islam". Why would a regime which gets its legitimacy from its fidelity to Islam, keep reminding its people of the Islamic position on nukes, if it intendes to develope them? Yet Washington has repeatedly misrepresented and distorted the IAEA reports and even drew direct criticism from the IAEA for doing so - all ignored in the western media. I just can't believe we are being driven to war on a lie for a second time....

Peace

Ios

 

[polytrip]

"Both China and Russia know that America will have to respond when Iran blocks the straits of Hormuz"

How rediculous....

This is the pervasive view in the western media. But western journalists are lazy and merely act as a conduit for British & US propaganda. There is very little I can do to counter that in the limited space available, but let me mention a few facts generally ignored by our contemptible and agenda pushing 'western media'.

It suits the west to demonise Ahmadinejad and pretend he controls foreign policy ~ but that is not the case and I think it needs pointing out. For geopolitical, oil, reasons it is necessary for Washington to demonise Iran. (this basically because Iran is not under the control of the US and it has the audacity to have oil). In the west , any wild statement by president Ahmadinejad is circulated in headlines, dubiously translated. But Ahmadinejad has no control over foreign policy, which is in the hands of his superiors, the Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The US-UK media tend to ignore Khamenei's statments especially if they are conciliatory. It's widely reported when Ahmadinejad says Israel shouldn't exist (deliberately mistranslated as "wiped out" but there is silence when Khamenei says that Iran supports the Arab League position on Israel-Palestine, calling for normalisation of relations with Israel if it accepts the international consensus of a two state settlement. Many things which might have a bearing on Iranian attitudes are hardly mentioned in the western media. such as the covert war being conducted be the US-Iseal (and presumably the UK) inside Iran. From 2004-2006 Iran agreed to suspend all Uranium enrichment (even though everyone agrees they're legally entitled to do it), that was in agreement with the EU. In return the EU was to provide full guarantees on security issues - that meant getting the United States to call off its threats to attack and destroy Iran. The EU couldn't live up to its side of the deal, it couldn't get the United States to stop, so the Iranians also pulled out and returned to Uranium enrichment.

ElBaradei proposed a few years ago that no state be allowed to develop weapons grade material - all high enrichment should be done by an international agency to which countries must apply if they want high grade material. Only one country formerly agreed to ElBaradei's proposal. That counry is Iran...

Whats more, when it comes to the international Fissban treaty, which bans the production of fissile materials except under international control, the US has been strongly opposed to any verifiable treaty and it voted against it 147 to 1 (US being the 1).

It looks increasingly like Iran is being subjected to a barrage of propaganda and lies, designed to soften up gullible western public opinion for a new middle east war.

In charge of foreign policy and the military Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said, "We have no problem with the world. We are not a threat whatsoever to the world and the world knows it. We will never start a war. We have no intention of going to war with any state".

Clearly it's Irans lack of belligerence which is the greatest threat, since it robs the west of an excuse to invade. Yet Iran itself can, and is, threatened with impunity - but you're not supposed to notice that, we're allowed to behave like that. Why would Iran want a bomb? Ahmadinejad has repeatedly quoted founding father Khomeini's assertion that nuclear weapons are "un-Islamic".
Supreme Leader Khamenei issued a fatwa against them in 2004. Subsequently he declared "developing, producing or stockpiling nuclear weapons is forbidden under Islam". Why would a regime which gets its legitimacy from its fidelity to Islam, keep reminding its people of the Islamic position on nukes, if it intendes to develope them? Yet Washington has repeatedly misrepresented and distorted the IAEA reports and even drew direct criticism from the IAEA for doing so - all ignored in the western media. I just can't believe we are being driven to war on a lie for a second time....

Peace

Ios

You didn´t get the point. I didn´t try to make a moral statement. What i meant was that china and russia know that if they where in the position america is in, they would respond simmilarly.

This is how global politic´s works: If the leadership of a big power is challenged, it will loose much of it´s 'credibility' if it doesn´t respond in a certain way. For instance, if georgian troops attack russian troops, the leadership of putin would be seriously questioned if he wouldn´t respond with a huge display of military overweight.

Big powers know this about eachother and will therefore accept such a display of power.

This means that when iran provokes america, in both russian and chinese view, america doesn´t even have a choice anymore.

In short: both russia and china will by definition see iran as the party that causes the conflict, because iran is smaller. In international politic´s, the smallest party is always the one to blame.

That´s just how it works.

 

[vardlokkur]

I really hope the story about MOSSAD posing as the CIA is true. The USA is like an elephant who enforces the will of a rat, in the case of the Israeli government. They receive far too much in US tax dollars, while in the US schools are closing because of lack of funding. Fire Departments and Libraries are closing because of lack of funding.. Meanwhile Israel is using the tax-dollars of the average US citizen who doesn't even know what it's like in Palestine for the people there.

I highly doubt that Israeli will lose the backing of the US, UK, and France, because Israel is so strategically important.. You put a mad dog over in the Middle East and the sovereign oil-wealthy nations are going to come to the bargaining table with more ease, if their buyers can calm down these nuts with their fingers on the nuclear trigger. So here's to wishful thinking.