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Is a cube really a cube?
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alex mowry
Rising Star
i assume that everyone has their opinion and that you yourself can find out the differences; if any; through studying cubes. to study something you'd have to look at every angle of what it is and figure out how it works and why and the reason or potential it has of being on this planet and the difference between natural cubes versus lab/artificially grown cubes. i'm assuming you're talking about pscilocybin mushrooms? now if we're talking about literally cubes; kinda; yeah a cubes a cube in a way; but define "cube" because cubes are a shape and are in all kinds of things. but mushrooms on the otherhand are considered to be closer to animals than plants; i do believe because of how they feed (can someone back me up or prove otherwise? i'm not truely sure; may do some research on this to further my understanding of mycology)
anyways; common sense evaluations of a psychedelic drug may only allow for rough drafted understandings of the psychedelic drug you are studying. to understand pscilocybin on a deeper level; i assume you'd need to create several sources of media that you can slowly dissect differences and intricacies and standards and all those other fundamentals that allow us to decide whether or not a theory or statement is plausible, untrue, or true. furthermore i've heard varying opinions and people say that all cubes are alike; excluding penis envy mushrooms apparently. but i must differ; because a pscilocybin mushroom is a living thing and each species has to have some differences; even if those differences aren't the actual psychedelic make-up of said mushroom.
therefor; i do not think a cube is simply a cube; if we're talking about mushrooms? oh and furtherly there's all kinds of stuff that you can learn from. there are books, mycologists, forums such as a mushroom related forum (whether psychedelic or not; which if you are studying cubes then you need to also understand mushrooms; which will be a longterm and incredibly worthful and amazing and perhaps if you can get into it; passionate skill that you will probably carry with you for the rest of your life because mushrooms are INCREDIBLY diverse organisms with the tinest most microscopic intricacies and complex and complicated behaviors human kind has yet to fully comprehend in a way that we truely understand the fundamental existence of mushrooms. we only know so much; like that wood loving mushrooms are like bottom feeders who can both clean the environment and feed off of living trees like a parasite. the world of mycology is incredibly interesting to study and approach and like i said; if you are curious about psychedelic mushrooms; learn about mushrooms in general and how amazing they are to study and appreciate)
lastly i think that as i've said in the beginning; everyone has their own opinon; probably because we have yet to establish mycology as an individual science worth individual practicing and studying and funding. mushrooms are so diverse; i'd say their more important than the frogs of the rainforest; although the frogs of the rainforest are also incredibly important. and mushrooms grow in nearly all parts of the world; clearly they are our worlds masters. furthermore liberty caps are heavily found in denser populations in polluted areas versus non polluted areas because mushrooms are so badass that the little guys go around cleaning up our mess we create for the accidental destruction of our world. with that said; make their jobs easier and they'll probably evolve to appreciate us much more.
i believe the basic fundamental "psychological drive" of a mushroom is to master adaption and evolution to the point that nothing on this earth can kill it off. with that said; we never know the potential that mushrooms may have one day in killing the human race and anything that they wihs off the planet because of their ability to be so genetically adaptive, evolutionary, and diversely innovative.
all hail mycology! XD
ohh; random funfact about oyster mushrooms; they can feed off of oil and hard metals; cleaning water sources of oil contamination and even cleaning the earth of mercury. this is why it's adviced to be more cautious about finding and eating oyster mushrooms 1) because they are very important and environmentally it is better to grow them rather than pick them from nature and 2) although oyster mushrooms can turn oil into the mushroom matter itself; it cannot turn something like mercury into the mushrooms matter easily. so when some people have eaten oyster mushrooms they find themselves in a scary case of mercury poisoning. atlhough some have theorized we could use oyster mushrooms to dig for hard metals and to use them as a more effective version of the hairnet (i think its called the hairnet) which is designed to suck up oil from the oceans (and with the hair net water renders the oil cleaning method ineffective in comparison to the effectiveness of using an oyster mushroom hair net; i think its called a hair net? its designed to suck up oil from water; but with the oyster mushroom it more effectively soaks up the oil rather than the water and could even allow you to more effectively recollect that oil (like say; an oil company would actually be very interesting in investing with these mushrooms because you could more effectively harvest the oil and use still be able to sell it; simply put all of our resources are able to support the literal economy; all things are created in some way or connected to nature because the bio-economy supports the regular economy which effects the bio-economy and so forth)
i hope i've been helpful in giving you more questions to solve and work with and think about?
anyways; common sense evaluations of a psychedelic drug may only allow for rough drafted understandings of the psychedelic drug you are studying. to understand pscilocybin on a deeper level; i assume you'd need to create several sources of media that you can slowly dissect differences and intricacies and standards and all those other fundamentals that allow us to decide whether or not a theory or statement is plausible, untrue, or true. furthermore i've heard varying opinions and people say that all cubes are alike; excluding penis envy mushrooms apparently. but i must differ; because a pscilocybin mushroom is a living thing and each species has to have some differences; even if those differences aren't the actual psychedelic make-up of said mushroom.
therefor; i do not think a cube is simply a cube; if we're talking about mushrooms? oh and furtherly there's all kinds of stuff that you can learn from. there are books, mycologists, forums such as a mushroom related forum (whether psychedelic or not; which if you are studying cubes then you need to also understand mushrooms; which will be a longterm and incredibly worthful and amazing and perhaps if you can get into it; passionate skill that you will probably carry with you for the rest of your life because mushrooms are INCREDIBLY diverse organisms with the tinest most microscopic intricacies and complex and complicated behaviors human kind has yet to fully comprehend in a way that we truely understand the fundamental existence of mushrooms. we only know so much; like that wood loving mushrooms are like bottom feeders who can both clean the environment and feed off of living trees like a parasite. the world of mycology is incredibly interesting to study and approach and like i said; if you are curious about psychedelic mushrooms; learn about mushrooms in general and how amazing they are to study and appreciate)
lastly i think that as i've said in the beginning; everyone has their own opinon; probably because we have yet to establish mycology as an individual science worth individual practicing and studying and funding. mushrooms are so diverse; i'd say their more important than the frogs of the rainforest; although the frogs of the rainforest are also incredibly important. and mushrooms grow in nearly all parts of the world; clearly they are our worlds masters. furthermore liberty caps are heavily found in denser populations in polluted areas versus non polluted areas because mushrooms are so badass that the little guys go around cleaning up our mess we create for the accidental destruction of our world. with that said; make their jobs easier and they'll probably evolve to appreciate us much more.
i believe the basic fundamental "psychological drive" of a mushroom is to master adaption and evolution to the point that nothing on this earth can kill it off. with that said; we never know the potential that mushrooms may have one day in killing the human race and anything that they wihs off the planet because of their ability to be so genetically adaptive, evolutionary, and diversely innovative.
all hail mycology! XD
ohh; random funfact about oyster mushrooms; they can feed off of oil and hard metals; cleaning water sources of oil contamination and even cleaning the earth of mercury. this is why it's adviced to be more cautious about finding and eating oyster mushrooms 1) because they are very important and environmentally it is better to grow them rather than pick them from nature and 2) although oyster mushrooms can turn oil into the mushroom matter itself; it cannot turn something like mercury into the mushrooms matter easily. so when some people have eaten oyster mushrooms they find themselves in a scary case of mercury poisoning. atlhough some have theorized we could use oyster mushrooms to dig for hard metals and to use them as a more effective version of the hairnet (i think its called the hairnet) which is designed to suck up oil from the oceans (and with the hair net water renders the oil cleaning method ineffective in comparison to the effectiveness of using an oyster mushroom hair net; i think its called a hair net? its designed to suck up oil from water; but with the oyster mushroom it more effectively soaks up the oil rather than the water and could even allow you to more effectively recollect that oil (like say; an oil company would actually be very interesting in investing with these mushrooms because you could more effectively harvest the oil and use still be able to sell it; simply put all of our resources are able to support the literal economy; all things are created in some way or connected to nature because the bio-economy supports the regular economy which effects the bio-economy and so forth)i hope i've been helpful in giving you more questions to solve and work with and think about?
This has to be one of the least helpful responses that could possible be offered. You took four massive paragraphs to say nothing.
No glass of water is the same glass of water. So what? As long as it's a glass of "normal" water (i.e. not polluted), one can understand that any glass of water will give a similar effect when drunk: hydration.
The question was not posed as a philosophical inquiry...this isn't about whether or not you can ever set foot in the same river twice. This is clearly about the pragmatic effects of ingesting cubensis.
What is the point of such an overblown response? Not only does it not answer the question, but it essentially contests that we can never know anything in a practical sense, which is a rather tenuous position.
I know I'm being blunt, but I can no longer tolerate this kind of garbage. Knock it off.
In short, generally speaking, cubensis mushrooms (especially from multispore) can vary dramatically in potency from flush to flush, and even between fruits in a given flush. Generally speaking, most cubensis will give similar effects, although potency may vary as well as other side effects (such as bodyload). The difference from one "strain" of cubes to another will generally be less significant that the differences between cubes and specimens of other species, e.g. pan cyans, ps cyans, etc.
No glass of water is the same glass of water. So what? As long as it's a glass of "normal" water (i.e. not polluted), one can understand that any glass of water will give a similar effect when drunk: hydration.
The question was not posed as a philosophical inquiry...this isn't about whether or not you can ever set foot in the same river twice. This is clearly about the pragmatic effects of ingesting cubensis.
What is the point of such an overblown response? Not only does it not answer the question, but it essentially contests that we can never know anything in a practical sense, which is a rather tenuous position.
I know I'm being blunt, but I can no longer tolerate this kind of garbage. Knock it off.
In short, generally speaking, cubensis mushrooms (especially from multispore) can vary dramatically in potency from flush to flush, and even between fruits in a given flush. Generally speaking, most cubensis will give similar effects, although potency may vary as well as other side effects (such as bodyload). The difference from one "strain" of cubes to another will generally be less significant that the differences between cubes and specimens of other species, e.g. pan cyans, ps cyans, etc.
alex mowry
Rising Star
SnozzleBerry said:
well we're all pieces of the puzzle and i just offered my thoughts. to one person; a piece of information helps that person better than it will for you; and offering my thoughts allow some people to reflect on what their thinking about.
i try to help people and understand the world around me; i work better with more posative evaluations instead of shaming my ideas and ways of communicating; because that makes me feel wrong inside and like it insinuates that i have soemthing wrong with me and that i need to be repremended; in other words, i respond to understanding more effectively than i can to negativity.
it's been hard lately to connect to other people around the nexus because of autism and i don't just let my disability keep me down. i try to use my best potential that i have to share information; not to send it into other peoples world views; although i admit i'm nowhere near perfect Snozzle. but i cannot relate to your critique; i do things differently, think things differently, and have lived differently. for me; i'm just a different person and people can accept my interests in beign different or they cannot. honestly i'm just saying what's on my mind; and there isn't anything wrong with that and i respect your retort because conflict can allow some people to go further with what they already have because most people don't like to be questioned; but i accept your opinions because you too live a different life.
but you know what? i'm just a philosophical freak. it's just who i am man and it brings me down that i don't know how to talk to people all the time. i offer my ideas on his post; thats all. accept it or not. furthermore; some people learn slower than others and have to try more to learn more
and lastly; when you don't open up nothing comes out.
I'm at a loss for how your initial post does anything for the OP.
Can you explain?
Can you explain?
alex mowry
Rising Star
i attempted to convey that i see things in the sense of an intermeshing body with little parts; like a car or like anatomy. to understand something; you'd have to understand alot of the little things that make it up as a whole.
does that help a little to better understand where i was coming from?
does that help a little to better understand where i was coming from?
It seems non-sequiturial to me.
From my perspective, it's akin to me asking you "Is there a difference between rain and snow" and you replying "Well, see, you'd have to understand the intermolecular forces of hydrogen and oxygen in order to really get a handle on the true meaning of that question. Then of course there's the fact that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains. And honestly, the real question is, 'Is water really wet?' Until we can straighten all of these things out, there's not really a good way to get a handle on what the difference is between rain and snow."
I'm not trying to be mean...this is a slight caricature of how I perceived it...but I'm trying to exaggerate it slightly to highlight how it reads to me.
From my perspective, it's akin to me asking you "Is there a difference between rain and snow" and you replying "Well, see, you'd have to understand the intermolecular forces of hydrogen and oxygen in order to really get a handle on the true meaning of that question. Then of course there's the fact that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains. And honestly, the real question is, 'Is water really wet?' Until we can straighten all of these things out, there's not really a good way to get a handle on what the difference is between rain and snow."
I'm not trying to be mean...this is a slight caricature of how I perceived it...but I'm trying to exaggerate it slightly to highlight how it reads to me.
th3fitz said:
Taxonomy terms, yes. Different growing conditions and habitats will allow for adaptation and mutation. If new strains that hold a certain set of characteristic can be isolated, then the strain is still A cubensis.... it just hold some different genetic modifications. the DNA sequencing still leads back to cubensis.
alex mowry
Rising Star
SnozzleBerry said:
i don't think that you're being mean snozzle. if you want to understand where i'm coming from i just posted my experience with autism; this helps the nexians to understand how to communicate with me and accept me as a member of this society that i hope i can be a part of.
Thanks for posting that...I'll read it tonight 
Also thanks for bearing with me and my reaction(s), I appreciate it.
Also thanks for bearing with me and my reaction(s), I appreciate it.
Infectedstyle
I compulsively post from time to time
Well i've ate some cubes weak in psilocybin content. And i've had a certain bunch that produced similar kinds of psychedelic hallucinations and frantic ringing noises. Each trip on those had a really dark vibe and some hallucinations have been pretty damn ugly. It's like clockwork for this strain, they where also incredibly potent. In higher doses however, which (I theorize) was probably due to the psilocybin overruling stray alkaloids there was no notable difference from this strain compared to others. Hallucinations where clearly contents of my psyche and could have been seen on LSD,DMT or any other psychedelic I have tried. Also, there's a world of difference between truffles and mushrooms.
So based on my experience, I think there's more to it than just psilocybin content. I personally believe with all my heart that mushrooms grow different personalities based on a combination of environmental conditions and DNA.
So based on my experience, I think there's more to it than just psilocybin content. I personally believe with all my heart that mushrooms grow different personalities based on a combination of environmental conditions and DNA.
I think the whole strain argument stems from capitalism. In reality, a multispore syringe is subject to many conditions, and many possible outcomes. Many vendors sell the sensationalism of "different strains" in their MULTISPORE SYRINGES. I DO believe a "strain" can be isolated via cloning, but not through collection of multispore from a fruit that was a product of a multispore - though it may carry some of the characteristics of the original fruit collected. But it's still a member of the psilocybe cubensis group.
Just as some people are tall or short, or dark or light, mushrooms can also vary in a appearance and alk content, but still belong to the same species.
Some "strains," like PE, have been bred so selectively, that even their spores(if produced) will likely carry strong PE genetics. But it's still a cube.
I do think that each batch has it's own "uniqueness," though.
Just as some people are tall or short, or dark or light, mushrooms can also vary in a appearance and alk content, but still belong to the same species.
Some "strains," like PE, have been bred so selectively, that even their spores(if produced) will likely carry strong PE genetics. But it's still a cube.
I do think that each batch has it's own "uniqueness," though.
alex mowry
Rising Star
SnozzleBerry said:Thanks for posting that...I'll read it tonight
Also thanks for bearing with me and my reaction(s), I appreciate it.
you are welcome SnozzleBerry; honestly i'm just new and have a different and slightly fragile psychology than other people and i try not to make that out to be an excuse. i'm eccentric about the website; its a really interesting and amazing website that i love studying. it has so many attributions to psychology, etheogens, and to be simple; the website is just overwhelming and crazy in a sense of excitement and profound possability for something that has never been done before; something that could change the topic of "drugs" into a better sense. it's organizations like M.A.P.S., Erowid.org, and this website that i see as interesting. other forums are important too; or at least the ideal of forums and how they could be used as a remarkeable information source.
but i say that i shall stop posting in this post just because i feel like i have nothing more to offer to it.
Parshvik Chintan
Esteemed member
aside from penis envy, yes.
Gotta love the penis:lol: . On subject, there are very small differences between all cubensis 'strains' (marketing ploy). Like homo sapiens, all are of the same species, with small differences that distinguish us from one another. Much of the characteristics a fruit will possess (incl. potency), will 90% of the time come down to grow parameters.
My personal favourite to work with is PE. Through my experience, and of close friends, we all agree that it is about 1.5x more potent than the average cube. Part of me believes that this is because of the longer than average colonization, and consolidation times before fruiting that PE is known for.
My personal favourite to work with is PE. Through my experience, and of close friends, we all agree that it is about 1.5x more potent than the average cube. Part of me believes that this is because of the longer than average colonization, and consolidation times before fruiting that PE is known for.
A cube is a cube... but a cube is quite often an octagon.
In terms of potency (especially from multispore inoculation) they can vary by quite a bit IME.
In terms of potency (especially from multispore inoculation) they can vary by quite a bit IME.
A cube is a cube in the same sense that a human is a human.
We all look different and come from different parts of the planet, but we can reproduce with each other no matter how we look.
You can't mix a cube with azures or cyans.
So in a way, yes, a cube is a cube. But at the same time there will be some differences.
We all look different and come from different parts of the planet, but we can reproduce with each other no matter how we look.
You can't mix a cube with azures or cyans.
So in a way, yes, a cube is a cube. But at the same time there will be some differences.
It's strange.... i was thinking of comparing mushrooms with humans too.
They possess different genetic characteristics, kind of like people do.
Mushrooms are actually closer to animals than plants in the evolution chain.
i wonder what exactly this print someone gave me is called sub-cubensis ?
They possess different genetic characteristics, kind of like people do.
Mushrooms are actually closer to animals than plants in the evolution chain.
i wonder what exactly this print someone gave me is called sub-cubensis ?
ScientificMethod
The_Scientific_Method
^OP. I actually undertook answering this question over the summer--or at least I tried. Since SWIM is a gardner of cubes, he decided that having access to 6-10 varieties of cube would provide adequate material to base my experiments.
Like you, he felt like all of his trips had been different, and SWIM thought that this must be because the mushroom varieties were different. But the saying of "a cube is a cube is a cube" was floating around out there, so I wanted to disprove it.
So SWIM set up experiments (note that my name is the Scientific Method) to do all testing on SWIM as the subject (removes variables of having other subjects--also removes some responsibility of giving others cubes). I would do repeated doses. So for example, SWIM would start with PES Hawaiian and 5grams. Then SWIM would write up a trip report and two weeks later repeat the experiment and compare results.
I forgot to say that all of SWIM's experiments were set up as silent darkness trips to reduce outside variables.
SWIM would then change and do the 5 gram experiments with Columbian and then Albino A+ and so on and so fourth.
After 2 months of conducting these experiments, I walked away with the belief that "a cube is indeed a cube is indeed a cube." I think that the variables that affect each trip making them different are largely internal.
I do however have reason to believe that set setting, dry vs. wet cubes, and personal characteristics that are not quantifiable have a tremendous affect on the trip. I also believe that Albino and Penis Envy varieties have some added intensity--Penis Envys were always very soft and happy and Albino A+ are always intense--kind of like acidy.
So that's what I've learned.
Like you, he felt like all of his trips had been different, and SWIM thought that this must be because the mushroom varieties were different. But the saying of "a cube is a cube is a cube" was floating around out there, so I wanted to disprove it.
So SWIM set up experiments (note that my name is the Scientific Method) to do all testing on SWIM as the subject (removes variables of having other subjects--also removes some responsibility of giving others cubes). I would do repeated doses. So for example, SWIM would start with PES Hawaiian and 5grams. Then SWIM would write up a trip report and two weeks later repeat the experiment and compare results.
I forgot to say that all of SWIM's experiments were set up as silent darkness trips to reduce outside variables.
SWIM would then change and do the 5 gram experiments with Columbian and then Albino A+ and so on and so fourth.
After 2 months of conducting these experiments, I walked away with the belief that "a cube is indeed a cube is indeed a cube." I think that the variables that affect each trip making them different are largely internal.
I do however have reason to believe that set setting, dry vs. wet cubes, and personal characteristics that are not quantifiable have a tremendous affect on the trip. I also believe that Albino and Penis Envy varieties have some added intensity--Penis Envys were always very soft and happy and Albino A+ are always intense--kind of like acidy.
So that's what I've learned.
