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Is all lsd different or is it the dosing?

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SHroomtroll

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I feel that every batch of acid ive ever tried has had a distinct different character, if i have several hits from the same batch i can feel it´s the same acid but every time i try a nre one it really suprises me with new and different effects.

How come? is it becasue lsd never is just lsd but has some impurities or is that 135mcs is a different trip than say 149mcs?
 
LSD is LSD is LSD. The first time I had acid it was very clear and powerful, very fluid. Never had LSD like it again though, probly becasue I had crappy paper that was either way too diluted or cut, who knows.
 
Every batch of LSD is different. But not thát much different. You should always be able to tell it's LSD.

This has to do with impurities. I think the percentage of impurities is very high in most of the LSD sold.

I think it's somewhere around 50% because most of the blotters sold are said to contain twice as much LSD-25 as they realy have on them, so i figure that producers consider the total weight of their product to be the actual amount of LSD-25.
 
I used to be sceptical and think that the only way LSD could vary was down purely to dosage and set and setting effects, and nothing else, LSD is LSD. But having had more experience with different batches of LSD, I do think purity of the LSD is an important aspect to, and even slight impurities can have a minor influence on an experience.
 
It seems like that, had a hit yesterday which was theone of the deepest and most introspective ive had.

Ive had alot bigger doses before that was just alot of fun but this one was very serious, almost aya serious but def lucy.
 
I hear people saying things like that a lot. "This kind of acid is better man."

LSD, is LSD. Medium to high quality LSD is quite gentle on my body, visuals are more fluid and due to no body load, I can sink into a deep trance without much effort. With very poor quality LSD I find there is a significant difference in body load and slight nausea is present during the come up, seems to be more violent, the visuals have a "rougher" edge to them. After the come up and near the peak I can almost notice no differences between quality if the dose is high enough. I still have wonderful times with high doses of low quality material.

I have done LSD around more than fifty times, and have found no significant differences in the effects of different batches. Some differences you may be noticing may be due to set and setting differences between trips, or you may have gotten a low dose of DOx or some RC in times past thinking it was LSD. Not saying that is the case, but it happens more than you think. A lot of people really can't tell the difference between low doses of psychedelics, but a full dose of DOB(mainly the culprit in LSD "scamming" in my area) is unmistakably a phenethylamine, and for any experienced LSD explorer, mistaking the two would never happen. Unless someone has been taking DOB their whole life thinking it was LSD, I dosed someone last year with two hits of LSD and he told me "I never had acid like that, man." and later, through trying his stuff, discovered he had been taking DOB.
 
Technically speaking, impurities from the synthing process should not affect activity at such small (<1mg) doses. LSD should be LSD.

Experience however, proves different batches to indeed have different subjective effects, fluff is very different from lavender for example.

Now container could have something to do with it (inks and dyes on blotter, impurities in solvents, other added chemicals, etc..)

Set and setting could be the culprit.

Some say the real difference in working with this substance is the intentions put into it, from the chemist who synthesizes the crystal, to the guy that lays the sheets, to the kid who that sells tabs out on the streets, to the person who's tongue it eventually hits.

It's probably a combination of all of these things and many moar that we would never even think to consider.

All I can say for sure is there definitely seems to be some kind of unexplained magic/synchronicity/serendipity involved with this molecule.
 
dreamer042 said:
Technically speaking, impurities from the synthing process should not affect activity at such small (<1mg) doses. LSD should be LSD.
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Well, that would depend on what the impurities are. It seems that lysergic acid or derivates of lysergic acid are often impurities present in relatively large amounts and they definately will have some effect, even in very small amounts.
Lysergic acid is an extremely strong vasoconstrictor and something like vasoconstriction has a profound effect on the experience.

Furthermore, 69ron claims that sometimes minute amounts of atropine are added to enhance the effects of LSD. This is not such a far fetched claim since sometimes a blotter seems to have vasolidating rather than a vasoconstricting effect and since no of the other agents that fit on a blotter and could pass for LSD are vasolidating, it's not a weird idea to think something is put on it in addition to LSD, that has a powerfull vasolidating effect.
 
Atropine found in LSD is not common, it happens less than "sometimes." Almost, never.

Most negative physical effects, which in turn can effect all aspects of a trip, are probably due to poor synthesis of the compound. Resulting in more significant amounts of lumi-LSD, cycloalkamides, and ergot alkaloids, which can cause a laundry list of negative physical symptoms, especially in unexperienced users.

I worked with high quality liquid for about two years before I came across a low quality batch of liquid, and when I first dosed I definitely noticed slight differences. It took me about an hour and a half to get comfortable(sweating profusely, hot flashes, nausea), and as I said earlier visuals seemed to be "rough" but I attribute that to my unsteadiness. After I got used to these effects it was smooth sailing. Though I always prefer to work with high quality liquid, sometimes low quality is all I can obtain, and I find almost no difference in subjective effects.
 
How would a person be able to test what is actually in their stuff objectively? Would a group like Energy Control be able to check this with 1 or 2 blotter pieces or would they need a lot of it to test?
 
elru said:
How would a person be able to test what is actually in their stuff objectively? Would a group like Energy Control be able to check this with 1 or 2 blotter pieces or would they need a lot of it to test?
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Is it my understanding (via various reads of this kind of testing in the Netherlands) that a blotter is, indeed enough.
 
elru said:
How would a person be able to test what is actually in their stuff objectively? Would a group like Energy Control be able to check this with 1 or 2 blotter pieces or would they need a lot of it to test?
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Real LSD is extremely close to LSH or psychedelically active ololiqui.(ololiqui becomes less psychedelic and more sedating in time) If you take fresh ololiqui, you should get LSD-like effects and from then on you'll know what LSD is supposed to be like. If your blotters don't give you an experience extremely close to this, you don't have real LSD.
 
It's also worth mentioning that low quality LSD has much of the side-effects you also get when taking high doses of LSA seeds. This is why i think lysergic acid or a derivate is responsible for differences in quality.

Most of the LSD available has SOME of the side-effects you'll also get from LSA seeds. Sometimes you'll have LSD wich is completely void of LSA-like effects, but this is rare.
 
LSD is LSD. There are different forms of LSD though... many different forms, and many different recipes....

So yes, there is a difference. Some are more visual, some are more body load, some are more mind fuck.

Of course, if you get all your LSD from a certain area (lets say the east coast)... then your most likely getting the same LSD from the same source.... So most likely it'll be the same trip...

Now goto the other coast (west in this case) and get some LSD. You'll be getting it from a totally different supplier (in most cases) and the recipe is different.... So you'll have a different experience.


The thing to remember is, LSD is LSD. But that only pertains to pure LSD, which I doubt many, if any, have had ;)
 
I personally feel like LSD is highly sensitive to the hands that it passes through. Each time I would get acid from one particular guy, it would have an extremely dark feel to it. Even LSD from the same batch, but coming from different individuals (they each split sheets from the same source) would have a drastically different feel.

This is one of the reasons I feel so strongly against the black market in psychedelics.
 
Ellis D'Empty said:
LSD is LSD. There are different forms of LSD though... many different forms, and many different recipes....

So yes, there is a difference. Some are more visual, some are more body load, some are more mind fuck.

Of course, if you get all your LSD from a certain area (lets say the east coast)... then your most likely getting the same LSD from the same source.... So most likely it'll be the same trip...

Now goto the other coast (west in this case) and get some LSD. You'll be getting it from a totally different supplier (in most cases) and the recipe is different.... So you'll have a different experience.


The thing to remember is, LSD is LSD. But that only pertains to pure LSD, which I doubt many, if any, have had ;)
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Not only are there different forms of LSD, because of the different ways to make it, the level of purity is different as well.

As i stated earlier, i suspect that in many cases the product contains at least 50% impurities. And they influence the experience. Something like vaso and bronchoconstriction caused by lysergic acid, has a huge impact on how you undergo the experience.
 
Shaolin said:
polytrip, do you maybe have some data about qualitative analysis of LSD ?

Some net reads fo' peepz:

http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/Documents/LSD_Purity_-_Gospel_and_Heresy.8796.shtml
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No. I know that most of the blotters tested in europe do contain LSD instead of a DOx.

The reason why i suspect that most of the LSD sold contains up to 50% impurities is that the amount of micrograms they are said to have are in most cases around 2x as much as they actually have on them. My point of reference would be the dose where the psychedelic effects of LSD become noticeable wich is somewhere near 60 micrograms. Blotters containing a dose close to that are most of the times said to contain somewhere around 100/150 micrograms. Blotters three times as strong are often said to contain 350/400 micrograms.
It's a consequently occuring phenomenon that the amount of micrograms blotters are said to have on them is being at least twice as much as they actually can have.

Therefore i think that the manufacturers simply calculate the weight of their entire product per blotter, wich could be LSD+the impurities that are almost impossible to separate from it because LSD is extremely unstable and lysergic acid is chemically close to LSD.

This is just speculation ofcourse.
 
All speculation, but interesting. As someone said before, until prohibition ends and we can get good testing on the various batches/producers, there's no way to tell. I once had a conversation with an old-school LSD distributor (who told me after doing time in 26 different prisons that he's no longer affiliated with the distribution circles) who stated that the various types of crystal determine the quality of the experience. Chinacat72 on the Shroomery also talked about this. There's so-called "fluff", containing a very high-percentage LSD, which dissolves in distilled water. The lower grade purities - amber, lavender, silver, down to so-called "tornado juice" - require alcohol for full dissolution. Apparently "fluff" is much more mental - it doesn't "spin" you or have the physical, mushroom-like effects of the lower grades of crystal. He also stated that the crystals could be manually separated using a microscope - the clearer specks of crystal could be separated for a purer lay, while the colored ones would probably be used for distribution. That type of separation is a low-tech one that a good chemist such as Nick Sand wouldn't use. Another thing he mentioned was that folks on the East Coast actually wanted the less pure crystal; the "fluff" simply doesn't spin you or cause the physical "trip". Left coasters, on the other hand, preferred the crystal-clear "fluff". Personally I've definitely noticed a lot of the acid going around has this 'darker' feel to it (I often wonder if government agents are still involved in its distribution), along with a metallic taste, and definite edgy effects, which makes since given the vasoconstrictive properties of the lysergamides. On a couple of occasions I've had the well made acid and on these occasions I felt the electric effects immediately from having it in my hand - similar to the "contact buzz" phenomenon. Anyways I have no real information to offer, just anecdotes.
 
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