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IS "Coca Leaf and Opium Poppy" Taboo/Not Allowed in this section of the Forum?

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and I must third this opinion. There's plenty of forums out there where all substances are seen in equal light. Here we are focusing on DMT and other main psychedelics. While I dont see a problem with an ocasional discussion on coca leaf tea or chewing coca, I think opiates (or cocaine ) consumption and extraction will really shift the whole direction of this forum and will start attracting even more questionable characters and stories around.
 
I agree with Endlessness on this;the Nexus is at risk of losing its unique flavor if papaver and erythroxylum are allowed to be posted about here.I personally have no problem with it but baggage which will inevitably come along would be detrimental to the spirit of the Nexus.No doubt that the derivatives are psychoactive but Im not so sure they would fit the bill of entheogens.

If you want to know about opiates then opiophile.org is the place to visit;what will strike you however, is that the amount of joy found there is equally matched by an equal volume of despair.

We need to protect what we have here, and I speak as someone who is more than acquainted with papaver and its offspring.If we dont set some limits then what is to stop us from discussing the psychoactive effects of inhaling xylene for example?
 
Because of this thread, the mods and me had a discussion about it and came to the conclusion that we had to add this line to the Attitude page:

• Talk about addictive substances like opioid's and alcohol is discouraged. You are free however to talk about it in a positive setting, like asking for or giving help about quitting the use of these substances.

This is the DMT-Nexus and things like poppy pods are too far from the essence of this site.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Acalon, could you elaborate on how coca leave is good for you? Sounds interesting.

Also, no opinion on talking about either on here, I don't mind, but wouldn't be offended if we couldn't talk about it. But am I the only one that doesn't understand why some of you say we should only be able to talk about the ornamental use on here. I mean, no one talks about the ornamental use of non-psychoactive plants, so talking about the ornamental use of psychoactive plants seems like it should be no different.
 
I don't really like this proibition attitude for some plants. As a plant lover, I can't find any plant "bad" to discuss, neither a plant can be so useless.
I've seen my granpa, with cancer, that had a prolonged agony, and morphine was one of his best friends... can't really say it's bad. All depend on use and approach, as fractal says.
Prohibite the talking about it is like leaving this plants to a determinate approach.
Not that I've tried both, I'm not really interested in sedative-excitant molecules, but they have a long use in human history, and in the european middle age witchcraft potions and unguents (opium, I mean), would be bad to see those powerful and old plants to be banned.

my 2 cents
 
arimane said:
I don't really like this proibition attitude for some plants. As a plant lover, I can't find any plant "bad" to discuss, neither a plant can be so useless.
I've seen my granpa, with cancer, that had a prolonged agony, and morphine was one of his best friends... can't really say it's bad. All depend on use and approach, as fractal says.
Prohibite the talking about it is like leaving this plants to a determinate approach.
Not that I've tried both, I'm not really interested in sedative-excitant molecules, but they have a long use in human history, and in the european middle age witchcraft potions and unguents (opium, I mean), would be bad to see those powerful and old plants to be banned.

my 2 cents
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The DMT-Nexus is about psychedelics, with the main focus on DMT. Other substances like opium, cocaine, alcohol, crack and heroin don't fit in the current general consensus of this board. We as the DMT-Nexus became a strong and healthy community because we kept being focused on what binds us all: psychedelics and all that surrounds it.

If we also include the route of these other substances then that same focus would be fragmented and we would move towards a more generic drugs forum. Since there already is a generic drugs-forum I think it's way better to keep walking our own, current and succesful route. There is still so much we have to explore with the psychedelics that these other substances would only distract us from this main goal.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
g13juggalo said:
Acalon, could you elaborate on how coca leave is good for you? Sounds interesting.

Also, no opinion on talking about either on here, I don't mind, but wouldn't be offended if we couldn't talk about it. But am I the only one that doesn't understand why some of you say we should only be able to talk about the ornamental use on here. I mean, no one talks about the ornamental use of non-psychoactive plants, so talking about the ornamental use of psychoactive plants seems like it should be no different.
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Coca leaves contain more antioxidants than green tea, contain more trace minerals, calms stomach aches, and is about as powerful as a weak cup of coffee. For sources, please look up coca leaf and you find all the beneifits of using coca tea.
 
The Traveler said:
arimane said:
I don't really like this proibition attitude for some plants. As a plant lover, I can't find any plant "bad" to discuss, neither a plant can be so useless.
I've seen my granpa, with cancer, that had a prolonged agony, and morphine was one of his best friends... can't really say it's bad. All depend on use and approach, as fractal says.
Prohibite the talking about it is like leaving this plants to a determinate approach.
Not that I've tried both, I'm not really interested in sedative-excitant molecules, but they have a long use in human history, and in the european middle age witchcraft potions and unguents (opium, I mean), would be bad to see those powerful and old plants to be banned.

my 2 cents
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The DMT-Nexus is about psychedelics, with the main focus on DMT. Other substances like opium, cocaine, alcohol, crack and heroin don't fit in the current general consensus of this board. We as the DMT-Nexus became a strong and healthy community because we kept being focused on what binds us all: psychedelics and all that surrounds it.

If we also include the route of these other substances then that same focus would be fragmented and we would move towards a more generic drugs forum. Since there already is a generic drugs-forum I think it's way better to keep walking our own, current and succesful route. There is still so much we have to explore with the psychedelics that these other substances would only distract us from this main goal.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
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Very well said.

And arimane, its not a 'prohibition of the plants', its just a decision of the general direction this forum should take. I think if you look at the attitude of the forum in general, its not like from now on the word "opiate" is forbidden or something, but its that as trav said, we want to maintain this identity of the forum. It doesnt change our repudiation of the war and drugs, and our empathy towards others, whether they are opiate users or not.

If anybody had an interesting discussion of the historical aspect of drugs and the subject of opiates was a part of it, or if it was some discussion with request of help fighting opiate addiction, the threads wouldnt be locked, but we dont want people making opiate trip reports and advising admixtures and what not.

If you think about it, im sure you'll notice its not an unreasonable decision
 
acolon_5 said:
g13juggalo said:
Acalon, could you elaborate on how coca leave is good for you? Sounds interesting.

Also, no opinion on talking about either on here, I don't mind, but wouldn't be offended if we couldn't talk about it. But am I the only one that doesn't understand why some of you say we should only be able to talk about the ornamental use on here. I mean, no one talks about the ornamental use of non-psychoactive plants, so talking about the ornamental use of psychoactive plants seems like it should be no different.
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Coca leaves contain more antioxidants than green tea, contain more trace minerals, calms stomach aches, and is about as powerful as a week cup of coffee. For sources, please look up coca leaf and you find all the beneifits of using coca tea.
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Yes, it's not a drug like cocaine. It's very mild. I don't see how you could get high from drinking coca tea.
 
what do you guys think of changing the title of this sub-forum. "Other Psychoactives" may be misleading for the genre of the Nexus. something like "miscellaneous etheogens" or something along those lines might keep it clear.
 
UniverseXP said:
what do you guys think of changing the title of this sub-forum. "Other Psychoactives" may be misleading for the genre of the Nexus. something like "miscellaneous etheogens" or something along those lines might keep it clear.
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Not a bad idea actually!


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
fractal enchantment said:
mehhh god complexes and holier than vow viewpoints suck...coca and poppies both are useful plants and shouldnt be tabboo..if they are its becasue of peoples own hangups, not becasue of the plants themselves.
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One of the best things ive read in a while :D
 
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