Is it just a chemistry or is there more to it ?

[Death&Decay]

I think a lot of people are quick to say "it's just a drug" or "your experiencing the chemical side effect" and so on... But they don't really take the time to grasp what that actually means. Sure, it's a chemical reaction our brains have to this drug, just as our stable reality is our brains interaction with serotonin. The drug, chemical, thingy-magig or whatever that is altering our perception is nothing more than a key... The drug itself won't answer this question, because the reality isn't held within the drug, but the experience it allows one to enter.

And let's just say I am wrong, and all your imagination is directly the interaction of the drug molecule... Well, still a big friggen mystery because as it stands, we really don't understand these drugs/chemicals. I mean, sure we can make them, we can measure them, we understand that drug a reacts to receptor b in x way... We know it all... Or maybe not. Maybe, the part they forgot to mention is that beyond what we can measure and understand, which is only a small minute fraction of what is there, is a universe of mysteries. I mean, when it all boils down, we really don't know shit, and anyone who tries to write it off as just an effect is really, really, extremely ignorant.

I can't stress enough the importance of not letting what you think you know stop you from experiencing what is behind the door...

 

[Dreamwalker]

I've seen this topic on here for a while now but after what just happened to me I felt I needed to comment.

Yes, i believe there is chemistry behind it but I am convinced this chemistry opens doorways to the unimaginable.

I just spent the last 10 minutes in trance listening to spirits talking. At first I thought they were talking to each other but now thinking back on it i realize they were speaking to me.

I remember one spirit in particular that said "I can't believe it it's been so long and were finally reunited." I'm not sure who it was but I think they thought I had died but quickly realized that wasn't the case. "It's good to know we can meet again in this way and reunite again sometime..."

While listening to this I has visions of DNA strands twisting together maybe signifying this was a relative of mine? I don't know.

I've had breakthroughs of all kinds on DMT from bizarre to spiritual. This was definitely a spiritual one.

Some could argue that the "drug" made me imagine what happened.
This was real though....
I felt it from the very depths of my soul.
this molecule is truly magical.

I'll stand by that till the day I die!

 

[Death&Decay]

[Some could argue that the "drug" made me imagine what happened.]

This is where I find the biggest disconnect... Imagination. The drug made you imagine something... It's all in your head... Right? Well, truth is, no one knows. Again, relating back to the fact that at this point in human evolution WE DON"T KNOW WHAT IMAGINATION IS! If you imagine it, it could be as real or even more real than this reality, depending on your trance state. This world, this reality, it is technically all imagined within your mind. So rather you shift your consciousness to this reality, or into a dream reality and beyond, they are essentially the same thing.

I think where most people get caught up is with the physical body. They think, well since my body was here in bed while I was dreaming, it's obviously all in my head... Well, thats true, but also misleading. In your head means what? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? You guys have to realize that EVERYTHING IS IN YOUR HEAD!!! From the smell of a rose, to the feeling of love, to seeing a sunset, to finding some change on the street. All of it. It's all in your head. It's no where else. Physically it may be taking place in this reality of 3d Earth, but the experience (the part you actually interact with, the part that you understand and can tell is happning) is in your head. Again, it's all in your head. I mean I can't even stress this enough.

We have absolutely no understanding of human consciousness. Science does it's best to label it as a collection of senses. It's a byproduct of everything coming together... And that statement alone is ONLY A THEORY, its not a fact, it's not for sure, it was someones best guess at what we don't understand. Yet, someone reads this and was like yea thats probably true, so therefore I will think like this and spread this information around as fact. It's just not the case. You know what that is? It's people allowing creating a false sense of reality for themselves. I mean, I probably sound like a jerk, but so many people are asleep and don't even understand that they truly do contain a spirit, soul or whatever you want to call it. They have been so brainwashed by science's need to explain the mysteries of the universe that they never stop to think for themselves, and go along with their lives believing "science"... Science is not reality, its humans best guess... The truth is it could be ANYTHING YOU COULD IMAGINE, and as technology becomes greater and greater, science is beginning to understand just how real the term "anything you can imagine" is in regards to this reality.

So, next time you say, nah we don't have souls, we got her by evolution, dmt is just a drug reaction, were the only life in the universe, we are just a meaningless blog in a otherwise chaotic universe, blah blah blah... Please, stop and STOP THINKING ABOUT SCIENCE and just let your mind (you know the thing that already has all the answers you seek) find where the truth is for you, and you alone.

 

[embracethevoid]

Science is the byproduct of everything coming together 8)

 

[clouds]

check this

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[Hyperspace Fool]

Probably no suprise that I am with Gibran2 & JoeDirt on this one.

I won't reiterate what they have so eloquently said already on this thread... I can only add that the "Primacy Of Consciousness" model is the best fit for my rather intensive set of experiences. This is something I came to believe decades ago, and every new day only reinforces my certainty that this is the correct model of reality. Or at the very least, it is the one that lies closest to any Ultimate Truth that may or may not exist.

I have studied nearly all of the religions, but I am not religious.

I have studied most branches of science, but I am not a scientist.

Both of these worldviews require too much faith for me. Too much ignoring of the most relevant and pertinent issues of the human condition in favor of nitpicking seemingly trivial tangents.

I am an experientialist. I cherish direct experience and the knowledge of how to repeatedly recreate those experiences. Some people call this path mysticism and label it esoteric. And while I don't mind being thought of as a mystic, there is nothing esoteric about the things I know how to do. Not for me, anyway.

It is like turning on a light. Belief has nothing to do with it. I know how it works. There is not even an inkling of doubt in my mind that when I flip the switch, the light will come on. And if the bulb blows out, or the fusebox needs reseting, I know how to deal with those things too. If someone tells me they don't believe in fuses, it doesn't have the slightest ripple of an effect on my knowledge. If it is convenient, I could take them and show them the fusebox and teach them how it works... but mostly I don't care.

This is how I feel about Lucid Dreaming, Astral Projection, Cosmic Consciousness, Chi, DMT, and more. These are not mysteries for me. They are sciences. I know how they work, and use them with a high level of skill. Academic Science will catch up eventually.

I had a good friend who insisted that accupuncture wasn't real and that it was either a placebo effect or just pure suggestion. Then I showed him video of a man having open heart surgery with only accupuncture as the anesthetic. He tried to worm it into his conception. Struggled valiantly to debunk the video... but in the end, he had to recognize that his conception of medicine was incomplete. He eventually started seeing an accupuncturist who eventually cured him of some debilitating health issues he had. (I won't get into them, so as not to make the argument about whether those things are curable or not.)

To wrap this up, I will just leave you with something I have noticed in my life:

People are defensive of the things that they are themselves unsure of. They try to prove their belief to another, as a way of proving it (reinforcing it) for themselves. You don't argue with someone who insists that the sky is a deep forest green. If your 90 year old Grandma insists that you can't video chat with people in 6 locations around the world, and that the internet is fake... you don't press the point. People argue about G*D, or the afterlife, because they don't know. Most heated debates center around things that people are fundamentally unsure of.

If you know something... you know it.

 

[Dreamwalker]

Whatever it happens to be.... Its beautiful!

 

[RayOfLight]

People are defensive of the things that they are themselves unsure of. They try to prove their belief to another, as a way of proving it (reinforcing it) for themselves. You don't argue with someone who insists that the sky is a deep forest green. If your 90 year old Grandma insists that you can't video chat with people in 6 locations around the world, and that the internet is fake... you don't press the point. People argue about G*D, or the afterlife, because they don't know. Most heated debates center around things that people are fundamentally unsure of.

If you know something... you know it.

well said.