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Is it just a fascination with crystal clear spice or ?

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It seems every day I read a post here or elsewhere where somebody is either proclaiming the amazing angelic white crystals they have or bemoaning the fact that they lost "yield" (another idiotic term, "weight" will suffice) because they washed, re-xtal'd, etc. So, I'm posting a question for all of you...

What is all the fuss about white spice?

I can understand that people like crystals. Sounds fine to me. And some people really love to strive for the ultimate in purity (which is fine as well) - but really, is "yellow spice" so terrible? Assuming we aren't talking about some major nastiness (i.e. basic mhrb got into the evap tray) - why get our collective panties all up in a bunch over this. As far as I can tell most people really like n-oxide (which, it seems, is a major part of 'yellow spice') and the other alkaloids present. In fact, I have heard from more than a few people that perfectly pure dmt simply isn't as pleasant- and those who said that are generally some of the most respected people around.. so..

Why not enjoy the yellow spice and just chill a bit?

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SWIM's FOAF wouldn't agree more. Yellow spice is not terrible at all. Some people claim it to be more harsh, but not everybody agree on that. It is perfectly smokeable and perfectly psychoactive. But again, some people claim that yellow spice can give "darker, more evil" experiences, whereas pure white spice is more "angelic" Again, not everybody would agree with that.

People need to try for themselves and really decide what really works nicely FOR THEM. No matter how much one reads about other people's opinions and experiences, it is the end user who's going to decide. That means that SWIM's FOAF was anal about getting white spice in the beginning. He then tried yellow spice and found it to be equally good, and not really much diffferent. Yellow spice could take him where he wanted to be taken, so he no longer bothered about cleaning it out.

Mind as well that yellow spice is basicaly 80-90% white spice with a 10-20% of dmt-n-oxide and/or other lipid impurities. This is a rougn guesstimate, not to be taken as a fact.

Finally, the term "yield" is perfectly fine, not idiotic at all. Yield actually means "how much spice per amount of plant material". It is a very useful term in understanding the amount of spice in the initia plant material.
 
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Yellow tinted spice is not bad, in fact, can be good or better than glass sword like xtals of spice.

For me, when I was starting I was using an aladin's lamp (oil bulb in a glass mini bong) and anything that would leave a residue would mean harsher smoke, and cleaning of the glass after every use. Getting pure xtals meant that it would not burn my throat and mess up the experience. I also was in a competition with a friend to see who could grow the cleanest, largest crystals.

I also really, really like growing xtals, not just spice xtals. There is something magical about it.

Plus learning how to purify a substance through re-xtalization comes in handy not only with spice.
 
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So far, so good!

There are people who are interested in the process of making something as much (or often even more) then the outcome of the process. You see this in everything. So, it makes sense that some people are really into growing long, beautiful crystals. Likewise, there are some who love to salivate over their perfectly pure (well, outside of synthesized "pure") moles. Fair enough. I'm really not talking about these people because they freely admit their biases.

I'd like to hear from a few people who believe, unequivocally, that white spice is better than its yellower friend. Anyone?

Also, regarding the "yield" statement, I didn't mean to argue it was useless, but that it is often thrown around when "weight" would work. If person x gets 1 gram of spice from a STB using 200g MHRB - clearly the meaning of yield becomes evident. However, when people leave out essential aspects (starting amount, process, cleaning (if any), re-xing (if any) - then there is an enormous amount of room for human error to cloud up the issue of yield. That was my only beef with the issue.
 
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i know I've said it before somewhere, but I really think STB pulls out more than just dmt; it most likely pulls NMT as well. melting point tests would help confirm this (a very wide range would indicate other compounds present)

so these people claiming 1%+ yields...it just seems a bit misleading to think that it's pure dmt.

but as for obsessing over getting white crystals...that's just an obsession of the art of recrystallization.
 
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This is very interesting! My friend has done several extractions and has a collection of yellowish crystals that he has been hesitant to try having read several threads about darker experiences with the yellow. These crystals have been freeze precipitated and come through with yellowish color. They have a nice shape and color and the right smell. Are you saying that these are just fine for use?
 
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Without a doubt.

I haven't heard that yellow tinted spice is a darker voyage than clear white. I've only heard that about the fabled "jungle spice". From what I have read and experienced yellow spice is gentler and more "user friendly" than clear spice.

I'm sure yours is fine.

Also I do know that there were quite a few threads about lye contamination and many were trying to get any possibly lye (esp from STB teks). This washing and recrystalization resulted in clear/white spice. I personally don't understand the chemistry behind this lye contam, but I have tasted spice straight from a STB and it was very caustic..after a wash and re-xtalization it was only bitter....go figure. I always recrystalize because of this. The experience was more pleasant after recrystalization but mainly because the back of my throat and lungs didn't feel like they were on fire.
 
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All my freebase experiences have been with a yellow or pale-yellow spice. Not too concerned with getting the purest, because I usually add in THH or Harmine anyway. Only with the FASA method have I gotten pure, beautiful strandlike xtals.
 
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First of all I'd like to say SWIM doesn't mind smoking the harshest of spice because once it's down there and then out again he doesn't really feel any discomfort although the initial inhalation can be quite irritating. As a matter of fact SWIM has smoked some goo straight from a Xylene evaporation with no purifying and had a pretty far out experience.

The reason I'd say the clear crystals of preferable is the fact that they are a lot easier to handle. Literally, SWIM can pick up the crystals with his fingertips and place them wherever he wants. Any impurities will make the spice much more paste like and have to be handled very carefully. SWIM has lost a fair bit of this spice trying to scrape it up and as a result washed all kinds of recepticals with solvent just to retrieve it.
 
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I have always evaporated with a hot blow dryer and the color varies depending on where its scrapped on the evap plate. I usually have one section of yellow and then the rest is mostly white. Would this contain the n-oxide?

I will do another extraction soon. Maybe I will try to freeze precipitate 1 of the pulls to try and get white crytals so I can compare.
 
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halcyon said:
So far, so good!

There are people who are interested in the process of making something as much (or often even more) then the outcome of the process. You see this in everything. So, it makes sense that some people are really into growing long, beautiful crystals. Likewise, there are some who love to salivate over their perfectly pure (well, outside of synthesized "pure") moles. Fair enough. I'm really not talking about these people because they freely admit their biases.

I'd like to hear from a few people who believe, unequivocally, that white spice is better than its yellower friend. Anyone?

Also, regarding the "yield" statement, I didn't mean to argue it was useless, but that it is often thrown around when "weight" would work. If person x gets 1 gram of spice from a STB using 200g MHRB - clearly the meaning of yield becomes evident. However, when people leave out essential aspects (starting amount, process, cleaning (if any), re-xing (if any) - then there is an enormous amount of room for human error to cloud up the issue of yield. That was my only beef with the issue.
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Granted, my extensive travels with "yellower" magic have taken me to deeper realms of subconscious thought process & time-travel, I have personally experienced more frequent and severe side effects from yellow magic (which, additionally, has more of a burnt-ass taste than it's albino cousin), which, let's face it, are quite minimal if anything. My visions have always been much brighter, more colorful, and more vivid after blessing with some of the Shaman's signature Peruvian flake snow-white jungle magic.

I perceive the differences between yellow and white magic as quite minimal, although I am of the opinion that white magic is indeed "better".
 
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Be careful - SWIM made the mistake of trying to vaporize a small amount of some yellow DMT of a clay-like texture which, it turned out, had not been completely dried of naphtha. The chunks of clay had trapped the naphtha and prevented it from evaporating fully.

SWIM knew something was wrong soon after inhaling. In addition to the DMT buzz, SWIM felt a profound fatigue which grew slowly and peaked in a couple of minutes. It was like being totally wasted and robbed of the will to do anything, like an instant feeling of profound depression. Luckily for SWIM the amount was quite small (15-20 mg) and the feeling passed after several minutes.

If you get any chunks of DMT from your extractions, it's best to break them up to be sure the inside isn't holding some unevaporated solvent.
 
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