Is MHRB + B. Cappi really Ayahuasca?

[Infinity Divide 0]

I'm confused after all my research on ayahuascha I can't figure out if MHRB + B. cappi is really called ayahuasca or under a different distinctive name? I know there are alot of names of making the sacred drink but I think if i want to ask future questions I should know what I'm at least talking about before asking. -- Thanks mates long time lurker!

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

technically, i believe it is 'anahuasca' because mimosa is an analogue for traditional ayahuasca admixtures (chacruna, chaliponga, etc), but as long as you use one of the vines you shouldn't feel bad about calling it ayahuasca

 

[soulfood]

b. caapi = ayahuasca "VINE of the soul"

All the rest is just admixtures.

 

[proto-pax]

soulfood has it.

 

[universecannon]

caapi alone or any mixture containing it is ayahuasca. the term is used for both the vine and the brew which can contain many many other things along with it. But there is also other types of ayahuasca vine that aren't b caapi

 

[rOm]

Yeah, caapi alone is alredy ayahuasca, then you do what's up to you. They add hundreds of different plants in amazon after the caapi, and it's still called ayahuasca as long as the vine is there.
Don't worry.
Anahuasca was more the nick given to syrian rue tea and mimosa.

 

[nen888]

..i reckon MHRB + B. caapi could be called 'Juremayahuasca' or 'Juremaya', that would indicate what plants are in it, and honour the old sacred Jurema drink, made soley of Mimosa..

..i know some people refer to Rue based as 'Hoasca', which honours the peganum, but doesn't tell us what the dmt plant is..

..and in much of South America, B. caap + any admixture is simply called Ayahuasca, emphasising the ancient jungle lore that the Chacruna is only added to make it "more colorful.."
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[endlessness]

They all above are right ^

One note that I guess most know but some may not: Jurema (Mimosa hostilis) is from a completely different geographical area than Banisteriopsis caapi/ayahuasca. The first is from the northeast of Brazil in a dry semi-desertic area, the other is from the amazon basin, some thousand kilometers of distance. So the addition of mimosa in ayahuasca is a modern psychonautic thing, traditionally mimosa was drunk by itself in a cold water infusion or together with alcoholic drink.

Not that this means you cant do it, of course you can, and it can potentially be a very special experience, but just wanted to add some relevant data to the thread

 

[Infinity Divide 0]

Appreciate everyones time - Thank you.

 

[Global]

I agree with what all of the above folks said, but in addition to that I think it should be noted that at least a number of nexians ignore the technicalities of ayahuasca = caapi tea and so on. For example, if I take syrian rue and drink mimosa tea, I'll still call it ayahuasca with the full understanding that it's not technically correct at all. It's sort of become part of the Western vernacular to some extent.

 

[Doodazzle]

I have no dispute with anything stated above.



The thing is when Jurema is drank with alcohol....when this is done it's part of a revival of a dimly remembered tradition. It is widely suspected that once upon a time they did indeed mix an maoi with their Mimosa.


You guys have read the articles about the guy who brought syrian rue to the Jurema cults and showed them what's what. As I undertstand it the current tradition is afro-caribean flavoured, possesion is involved....

Did Caapi and Mimosa once grow in the same vicinity? Were they drank together? If so, was it called Jurema, or Ayahuasca, or something else entirely? We can assume because of geographical distance that the drink was not called ayahuasca, but since the original tradition was broken, we can only guess.

 

[jamie]

^jurema still is made with an maoi plant. Traditional recipe is cane alcohol I think, cold water jurema tea and a certain passiflora species. The passiflora would contain both maoi flavanoids and small ammounts of harmalas. Passionflower even in low ammounts has some effects for me, and combined with the already orally active jurema I am sure it contributes something.

 

[Psyren]

b. caapi = ayahuasca "VINE of the soul"

All the rest is just admixtures.

What are the effects of Caapi vs dmt?
Initially i was always under the impression that one wouldn't work with out the other. Which i always thought was impressive that these indians found the two plants out of the thousands that would produce psych effects.

I mean its the MAOI in caapi that produces the effects right? Are all MAOI's like that?

 

[rOm]

Hmm, harmalas as in caapi MAOI (RIMA more specifically) are all psychoactive, they allow you to activate oral n,n-DMT which is also psychoactive but not orally by it's own.
They don't have the same range of effect at all, but harmalas are psychedelic and visionary in high enough dose (about 250mg harmalas FB and up).

 

[Psyren]

Hmm, harmalas as in caapi MAOI (RIMA more specifically) are all psychoactive, they allow you to activate oral n,n-DMT which is also psychoactive but not orally by it's own.
They don't have the same range of effect at all, but harmalas are psychedelic and visionary in high enough dose (about 250mg harmalas FB and up).

If you took a proper dose of caapi, what would you most compare it to?
When i think of MAOI i dont think of psychedelic, but i have no experience.

 

[endlessness]

psyren, check the faq