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Is our reality a school/prison also after this life?
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Kartikay
Rising Star
OAC is right when he says that believing that malevolent beings exist who are out to harm you (physically, emotionally, or in your case: spiritually) is a clear indicator of a psychotic disorder. To be fully diagnosed, though, other requirements need to be met as well. I have no way of knowing if you meet them.
Kartikay
Rising Star
Regardless of whether or not you think that you are following JZ Knight's crazy organization, here are the similarities of your philosophies:
Ramtha's School of Enlightenment has 4 main cornerstones:
1) You are God
2) Make known the unknown
3) Consciousness and energy create the nature of reality
4) The challenge to conquer yourself
Your cornerstones are:
1) We are gods and we exist infinitely (we cannot die)
2) Our creative potential is finite, yet HUGE
3) Oneness and fragmentation are states which we will always reach again and again.
#1 in both philosophies are fundamentally identical. JZ Knight actually preaches that we cannot die, too.
Knight's #3 and your #2 are very similar. Knight preaches to use our creative energies to "create our day."
Knight's #4 and your #3 are very similar. One of Knight's "challenges" is to learn to navigate your consciousness between the Oneness state and the Human/fragmentated state.
I'm sure you'll find some disagreements between your philosophy and hers, but they're darn close. They are crazy for different reasons of course. Yours is crazy because you believe strongly in matrix-agents. Hers is crazy because she believes that she is channeling a 35,000 year old spirit.
Ramtha's School of Enlightenment has 4 main cornerstones:
1) You are God
2) Make known the unknown
3) Consciousness and energy create the nature of reality
4) The challenge to conquer yourself
Your cornerstones are:
1) We are gods and we exist infinitely (we cannot die)
2) Our creative potential is finite, yet HUGE
3) Oneness and fragmentation are states which we will always reach again and again.
#1 in both philosophies are fundamentally identical. JZ Knight actually preaches that we cannot die, too.
Knight's #3 and your #2 are very similar. Knight preaches to use our creative energies to "create our day."
Knight's #4 and your #3 are very similar. One of Knight's "challenges" is to learn to navigate your consciousness between the Oneness state and the Human/fragmentated state.
I'm sure you'll find some disagreements between your philosophy and hers, but they're darn close. They are crazy for different reasons of course. Yours is crazy because you believe strongly in matrix-agents. Hers is crazy because she believes that she is channeling a 35,000 year old spirit.
ambi-lysergance
Rising Star
dont really like the direction this thread is going in now.
I have to say I felt the OP was in no way forcing his views on any of us, infact did he not welcome healthy criticism and opposed responses. im sure he did.
although I do not agree with the theory I find that it is not in the best interests of anyone here to be throwing personal accusations of mental illness especially if one is not qualified to do so and even if they were does that still make it so?
observationtype has his beleif like many others. his may seem extreme,disgusting and delusional to some but is it anymore delusional than what some of the major religions beleive?
we dont see anyone on here telling every christian (whos views can be equally dangerous) to go see a doctor do we? why not? is it because they are right and he is wrong? and who here has the right to make judgement? none of us!
he is entitled to court his opinions as long as he does not harm anyothers but himself.
lets play nice people
I have to say I felt the OP was in no way forcing his views on any of us, infact did he not welcome healthy criticism and opposed responses. im sure he did.
although I do not agree with the theory I find that it is not in the best interests of anyone here to be throwing personal accusations of mental illness especially if one is not qualified to do so and even if they were does that still make it so?
observationtype has his beleif like many others. his may seem extreme,disgusting and delusional to some but is it anymore delusional than what some of the major religions beleive?
we dont see anyone on here telling every christian (whos views can be equally dangerous) to go see a doctor do we? why not? is it because they are right and he is wrong? and who here has the right to make judgement? none of us!
he is entitled to court his opinions as long as he does not harm anyothers but himself.
lets play nice people
Kartikay
Rising Star
I believe that I have stayed on topic.
You seem to have 2 philosophies:
1) we're all gods/have great creative potential/are stuck in a prison between oneness and fragmentation
2) there are matrix-agents among us
Your first philosophy lacks evidence and cohesiveness and I find it to be unrelated to your existence/nonexistence logic.
Your second philosophy also lacks evidence and cohesiveness, but is also damaging to this community and is a characteristic of many psychotic and personality disorders.
I bring up JZ Knight's philosophy because it is very similar to your own, and she uses much of the same language.
I bring up your lack of evidence and cohesiveness because that is how offensive debate is done.
I bring up psychotic disorders because I have the DSM-IV sitting next to me and your malevolent-beings theory is actually a qualification for many psychotic and personality disorders. Example: Paranoid Personality disorder which you can view the online DSM-IV listing here: Paranoid Personality Disorder | BehaveNet You probably don't fit that disorder at all, but I feel that any reader of this thread should be aware that the belief in malevolent intentions without proper basis is one quality found in many serious mental disorders.
You seem to have 2 philosophies:
1) we're all gods/have great creative potential/are stuck in a prison between oneness and fragmentation
2) there are matrix-agents among us
Your first philosophy lacks evidence and cohesiveness and I find it to be unrelated to your existence/nonexistence logic.
Your second philosophy also lacks evidence and cohesiveness, but is also damaging to this community and is a characteristic of many psychotic and personality disorders.
I bring up JZ Knight's philosophy because it is very similar to your own, and she uses much of the same language.
I bring up your lack of evidence and cohesiveness because that is how offensive debate is done.
I bring up psychotic disorders because I have the DSM-IV sitting next to me and your malevolent-beings theory is actually a qualification for many psychotic and personality disorders. Example: Paranoid Personality disorder which you can view the online DSM-IV listing here: Paranoid Personality Disorder | BehaveNet You probably don't fit that disorder at all, but I feel that any reader of this thread should be aware that the belief in malevolent intentions without proper basis is one quality found in many serious mental disorders.
Ordo Ab Chao
Rising Star
I wasn't trying to personally insult this member and my comments regarding his mental health were not intended to be taken as an attack. The reason I indicated that this guy should seek medical advice was out of a genuine concern for where his mental processes may lead him if he continues down this route. As it happens, I am qualified to make such a diagnosis in real-life but I made no concrete diagnosis on here since that would be highly unprofessional. Based on my own knowledge and experience, I suggested that perhaps this young man sought some professional medical advice in his own area.
Don't get up on your high horse with me, I'm not trying to insult this person and I won't be told that I'm not permitted to voice my own opinion. It wasn't a personal attack, if anything it was a personal appeal that he seek medical advice for, in my opinion, the benefit of himself and the people around him. If he doesn't suffer from any sort of mental problems then so be it, I'm wrong and I apologise but please understand that my concerns were genuine and not an insult.
This "observationtype has his beleif like many others. his may seem extreme,disgusting and delusional to some but is it anymore delusional than what some of the major religions beleive?
we dont see anyone on here telling every christian (whos views can be equally dangerous) to go see a doctor do we? why not? is it because they are right and he is wrong? and who here has the right to make judgement? none of us!" from ambi-lysergence is just a generalisation. I made no reference to Christianity since it was nothing to do with this thread. I have no time for organised religion but that's another subject entirely. None of us are right or wrong, that's just simplistic and I would have thought that people frequenting a forum like this would have risen about such dualistic viewpoints.
I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what they should or should not believe. Who's to say that everything the OP said isn't true? I was pointing out that people should not assume that their view of reality is any more valid than anyone else's since we all select the signals that meet our own expectations (or beliefs) regarding the physical world around us. I am as likely to be totally wrong about the world as any of you are but I'm happy to admit that and to choose a more positive reality tunnel to occupy.
I also won't waste people's time by saying nonsense like: "Why do you (Kartikay & Ordo Ab Chao) attack me instead of talking about this hypothesis? (No, I don't have the prove you are agents) Don't you notice that I could but maybe not just be plain BSing you? Well, maybe I do not. Maybe I do. Maybe I just like to talk about stuff."
Why would you waste such time and effort if you're just bullshitting? You've made a few bold claims and stated them as fact so don't be surprised if people disagree with you.
As for the main subject of your posting, I will respond to that in a seperate post as I want to make it clear that I mean no sort of negativity, anger or insult on this site.
Don't get up on your high horse with me, I'm not trying to insult this person and I won't be told that I'm not permitted to voice my own opinion. It wasn't a personal attack, if anything it was a personal appeal that he seek medical advice for, in my opinion, the benefit of himself and the people around him. If he doesn't suffer from any sort of mental problems then so be it, I'm wrong and I apologise but please understand that my concerns were genuine and not an insult.
This "observationtype has his beleif like many others. his may seem extreme,disgusting and delusional to some but is it anymore delusional than what some of the major religions beleive?
we dont see anyone on here telling every christian (whos views can be equally dangerous) to go see a doctor do we? why not? is it because they are right and he is wrong? and who here has the right to make judgement? none of us!" from ambi-lysergence is just a generalisation. I made no reference to Christianity since it was nothing to do with this thread. I have no time for organised religion but that's another subject entirely. None of us are right or wrong, that's just simplistic and I would have thought that people frequenting a forum like this would have risen about such dualistic viewpoints.
I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what they should or should not believe. Who's to say that everything the OP said isn't true? I was pointing out that people should not assume that their view of reality is any more valid than anyone else's since we all select the signals that meet our own expectations (or beliefs) regarding the physical world around us. I am as likely to be totally wrong about the world as any of you are but I'm happy to admit that and to choose a more positive reality tunnel to occupy.
I also won't waste people's time by saying nonsense like: "Why do you (Kartikay & Ordo Ab Chao) attack me instead of talking about this hypothesis? (No, I don't have the prove you are agents) Don't you notice that I could but maybe not just be plain BSing you? Well, maybe I do not. Maybe I do. Maybe I just like to talk about stuff."
Why would you waste such time and effort if you're just bullshitting? You've made a few bold claims and stated them as fact so don't be surprised if people disagree with you.
As for the main subject of your posting, I will respond to that in a seperate post as I want to make it clear that I mean no sort of negativity, anger or insult on this site.
Touche Guevara
Rising Star
Reality is only as much of a prison as you want it to be. I mean, you're bound by the laws of physics, but this does not have to have a negative connotation. Choose to be in heaven every day.
That said, death does not change this. Your body is still a physical thing, and if your brain is no longer functioning then you no longer exist in a meaningful way.
That said, death does not change this. Your body is still a physical thing, and if your brain is no longer functioning then you no longer exist in a meaningful way.
Ordo Ab Chao
Rising Star
"Is our reality a prison even after death?" - This was the question asked by the OP and there is only one true answer to that question.....I don't know.
Anything any of us say is only ever going to be speculation since none of us are dead, we'll never find out until the time when the biological processes which allow the physical body to live cease to function i.e. clinical death, and no amount of subjective evidence, claims on the internet or second-hand seance stories of life-after-death/reincarnation or whatever you choose to believe will constitute proof.
Everyone on this forum will have had experiences induced through natural or chemical means which have altered their perception of what reality is. Most of us 'come back' to what you could term 'concensus reality' with new perspectives, ideas, emotional experiences and suchlike which we try to integrate and understand based on our own understanding of ourselves. We are afforded experiences which seem to demonstrate that reality is not singular, that what constitutes concensus reality is not all their is and in many cases cause us to change our viewpoint considerably.
My problem with conspiracy theorists like this OP is that their own self-proclaimed logic is flawed from the start. By disregarding science they can disregard any attempt to use empirical evidence to demonstrate the discrepancies in their own theories. Much as I agree that science does not explain the entire human experience, and probably can't unless it develops much further than where we are right now, it can certainly explain more than the 'intuition' claimed by the OP and the results can be verified independantly.
You state the following:
"Science" has no universal validity to explain reality. We are in a system, a structure of some sort, in which rules apply. You cannot deny this.
Science, with or without the inverted commas, is the measurement of the observable elements in the very system you're referring to. Gravity? Thermodynamics? Or are those the result of some fiendish conspiracy too, dreamt up by the matrix agents to ensure that we continue to stay on the ground?
"Probabilities do not apply anymore here. All internal science rules could be fake. So much to your wonderful science. Even Science seems to be some kind of god these days...actually I understand scientific methods very well ;-)"
Probabilities do not apply anymore? What?! How can a probability NOT apply? Explain that for me please as I genuinely don't understand what you mean. While you're at it, could you also explain "internal science" for me? I'm not trying to be pedantic, I just don't know what you're actually talking about.
The deification of science is a sentiment usually spouted by the more fundamentalist religious factions and serves to indicate your own personal, if not publically expressed, view on the matter. With regards to your claims of understanding scientific methods, I suggest that your understanding is based on the flawed knowledge of others and what you learned in high-school.
Now, I'm someone who's a qualified psychiatrist and practicing psychotherapist. I've also been involved with occultism and yogic practices for many years, used substances from LSD to codeine in my own internal explorations and who, admittedly, loves a good conspiracy theory. Much as I may come across as being opinionated and self-righteous, it's an unfortunate side-effect of writing in a forum and I am genuinely very open minded, accepting and positive but I refuse to sit back and watch someone try to lead other people into their own reality tunnel when they have no proof beyond their own misconception.
You can choose to believe that the world is out to get you but you'll drive yourself even more insane. On the other hand, you could believe that the only certainty in life is change and that every day you make your choices, accept the consequences and walk your own path in life.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
O.A.C.
Anything any of us say is only ever going to be speculation since none of us are dead, we'll never find out until the time when the biological processes which allow the physical body to live cease to function i.e. clinical death, and no amount of subjective evidence, claims on the internet or second-hand seance stories of life-after-death/reincarnation or whatever you choose to believe will constitute proof.
Everyone on this forum will have had experiences induced through natural or chemical means which have altered their perception of what reality is. Most of us 'come back' to what you could term 'concensus reality' with new perspectives, ideas, emotional experiences and suchlike which we try to integrate and understand based on our own understanding of ourselves. We are afforded experiences which seem to demonstrate that reality is not singular, that what constitutes concensus reality is not all their is and in many cases cause us to change our viewpoint considerably.
My problem with conspiracy theorists like this OP is that their own self-proclaimed logic is flawed from the start. By disregarding science they can disregard any attempt to use empirical evidence to demonstrate the discrepancies in their own theories. Much as I agree that science does not explain the entire human experience, and probably can't unless it develops much further than where we are right now, it can certainly explain more than the 'intuition' claimed by the OP and the results can be verified independantly.
You state the following:
"Science" has no universal validity to explain reality. We are in a system, a structure of some sort, in which rules apply. You cannot deny this.
Science, with or without the inverted commas, is the measurement of the observable elements in the very system you're referring to. Gravity? Thermodynamics? Or are those the result of some fiendish conspiracy too, dreamt up by the matrix agents to ensure that we continue to stay on the ground?
"Probabilities do not apply anymore here. All internal science rules could be fake. So much to your wonderful science. Even Science seems to be some kind of god these days...actually I understand scientific methods very well ;-)"
Probabilities do not apply anymore? What?! How can a probability NOT apply? Explain that for me please as I genuinely don't understand what you mean. While you're at it, could you also explain "internal science" for me? I'm not trying to be pedantic, I just don't know what you're actually talking about.
The deification of science is a sentiment usually spouted by the more fundamentalist religious factions and serves to indicate your own personal, if not publically expressed, view on the matter. With regards to your claims of understanding scientific methods, I suggest that your understanding is based on the flawed knowledge of others and what you learned in high-school.
Now, I'm someone who's a qualified psychiatrist and practicing psychotherapist. I've also been involved with occultism and yogic practices for many years, used substances from LSD to codeine in my own internal explorations and who, admittedly, loves a good conspiracy theory. Much as I may come across as being opinionated and self-righteous, it's an unfortunate side-effect of writing in a forum and I am genuinely very open minded, accepting and positive but I refuse to sit back and watch someone try to lead other people into their own reality tunnel when they have no proof beyond their own misconception.
You can choose to believe that the world is out to get you but you'll drive yourself even more insane. On the other hand, you could believe that the only certainty in life is change and that every day you make your choices, accept the consequences and walk your own path in life.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
O.A.C.
Reality a prison? If consensus reality reality is all there is, it is since you would't be able to escape from it and for this same reason it isn't because there could be nowhere to escape to.
But anyway, it seems to me as if you want to say "anything is possible".
This is clearly not the case.
Possibilities cancel eachother out: if we're cought in the matrix, we're not not cought in the matrix....And this is so within any reality frame, so it would also be true seen from outside the matrix.
Therefore your argument against ANY science does not aply. If we're in the matrix, some science could be true only within the matrix, meant to fool us and make us believe all kinds of crap. But not everything.
Descartes already found this out, and others before him. He was so glad and releived because of this that he concluded that there must be a kind, good god.
That last conclusion is one that is logically invalid outside as well as inside the matrix though.
But anyway, it seems to me as if you want to say "anything is possible".
This is clearly not the case.
Possibilities cancel eachother out: if we're cought in the matrix, we're not not cought in the matrix....And this is so within any reality frame, so it would also be true seen from outside the matrix.
Therefore your argument against ANY science does not aply. If we're in the matrix, some science could be true only within the matrix, meant to fool us and make us believe all kinds of crap. But not everything.
Descartes already found this out, and others before him. He was so glad and releived because of this that he concluded that there must be a kind, good god.
That last conclusion is one that is logically invalid outside as well as inside the matrix though.
I think reality is in some respects, a reflection of ourselves...only a prison as far as we choose to be the prisoner..
ambi-lysergance
Rising Star
Ordo Ab Chao said:
I would have thought that people frequenting this forum would attain an open mind and sense of dignity and also maintain the integrity of their own self proclaimed proffesionilism to refrain from self diagnosing our members!
i feel in the context of this DISCUSSION that the parrallels between this type of beleif are one and the same.
you say you have no time for organised religion so do we presume that you also self diagnose in your respectable proffesional opinion that established religious beleifs are also madness???? clearly by your answers ths is not the case as you also pick and chose who you tar with your offensiive and questionable brush.
Ordo Ab Chao said:
is this not the ultimate in contradiction? havent you told the op to see a doctor because in your , excuse me proffesional opinion is mad??
you say "whos to say everything observationtype has just said isnt true" lol havent you then just agreed with everything I have said? yet you with your self proclaimed medical opinion question my credibility and accuse me of simplicity?
I suggest to you that the nursery is more structured to withold your type of agressive and insensitive remarks regarding other users frames of mind rather than a well articulated yet on the whole contested theory of observation types.
I ask you once again to read every post I have made, which lets face it at best Im playing devils advocate, Ive made it clear my personal feelings, and re evaluate your own words to me which i find a man of your intelligence and professionally enforced opinions paradoxical at best.
:d
Kartikay
Rising Star
ambi-lysergance said:
I can see how it looks that way. However, I believe it is not a contradiction and I will try to defend OAC's words in my own way.
The best way I can explain it is by examining Schizophrenia. At least partly caused by disruptions to the balance of dopamine and serotonin in the brain, Schizophrenics show many of the same physical behaviors and brain activities of someone under the influence of a combination of LSD and MDMA. These people, in my inexperienced opinion, may very well be regularly seeing some of the truth that mentally stable people see while under the influence of such drugs. From that perspective, what schizos say may very well be true at times, or have the possibility of being true, but they still have a crippling mental disorder. In fact, the mental disorder is the source of these possible-truths.
ambi-lysergance
Rising Star
sorry deleated this post by mistake
kartikay
hi:d
actuually I disagree and am still seeing insane to the point of insulting paradoxes within ordoabchao's posts.
this is the medical expert, albeit self proclaimed who in one hand strikes down with extremely subjective internet examined diagnosis in the most harshness of manners and tells someone they are schizophreic, then in the posts you have valuebly quoted because this saves me from once again highlighting his now blatently aparent and ignorant stance of self worth and superiority has the absolute audacity to claim otherwise.
cant anyone see the down right blinding contradiction in these 2 posts only written hours apart?
fom this..........
to this
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is this not contradictory.
like I said I am not qustioning the opposition of this outrageous theory, infact Ive stated all along I dont actually go with it
but what I see happening here is ( please humour a 2 dimensional ANALOGY here) one person says they beleive black, the other guy instead of saying I beleive white and this is why.... sais in a totalitarian demeanor " this is why black is wrong and you are a nutcase"
why cant we just say hey dood, you think this, I think that. isnt it interesting....
now the second that observationtype invites us to join his cult and entice us to jump of a cliff at the next full moon then I will be the one to call him (in my humble unqualified opinion lol) mentally ill.
but up untill now this has been a debate on almost philisophical views... NOT DR Ordo Ab Chao's "diagnose a sczophrenic on dmt nexus" thread!!!
Kartikay said:
kartikay
hi:d
actuually I disagree and am still seeing insane to the point of insulting paradoxes within ordoabchao's posts.
this is the medical expert, albeit self proclaimed who in one hand strikes down with extremely subjective internet examined diagnosis in the most harshness of manners and tells someone they are schizophreic, then in the posts you have valuebly quoted because this saves me from once again highlighting his now blatently aparent and ignorant stance of self worth and superiority has the absolute audacity to claim otherwise.
cant anyone see the down right blinding contradiction in these 2 posts only written hours apart?
fom this..........
Ordo Ab Chao said:
to this
[/quote]Ordo Ab Chao said:
[/quote]
Ordo Ab Chao said:
is this not contradictory.
like I said I am not qustioning the opposition of this outrageous theory, infact Ive stated all along I dont actually go with it
but what I see happening here is ( please humour a 2 dimensional ANALOGY here) one person says they beleive black, the other guy instead of saying I beleive white and this is why.... sais in a totalitarian demeanor " this is why black is wrong and you are a nutcase"
why cant we just say hey dood, you think this, I think that. isnt it interesting....
now the second that observationtype invites us to join his cult and entice us to jump of a cliff at the next full moon then I will be the one to call him (in my humble unqualified opinion lol) mentally ill.
but up untill now this has been a debate on almost philisophical views... NOT DR Ordo Ab Chao's "diagnose a sczophrenic on dmt nexus" thread!!!
Kartikay
Rising Star
I like the way you phrased this latest post, observationtype
I actually agree with the 3 points that you believe to be true. We'll have to agree to disagree about matrix-agents, but I would appreciate if you did not ever suggest that members of this site are or even could be matrix-agents. Even if your wild hypothesis about matrix-agents is correct, this website would be more akin to Zion(to use a Matrix analogy). I also disagree with the idea of malevolent/benevolent/neutral entities controlling our reality, but you're entitled to your own opinion.
I did find one thing you said particularly interesting. You mentioned "spiritual technology." This is a concept I've never really considered. I've given in to the belief that we completely leave our reality behind when we enter hyperspace, and so I wonder if there will ever be a way, in the distant future, to do something in hyperspace that has powerful effects on our regular reality. It's plausible to me, although the short nature of our visits make it seem impossible at the moment.
I actually agree with the 3 points that you believe to be true. We'll have to agree to disagree about matrix-agents, but I would appreciate if you did not ever suggest that members of this site are or even could be matrix-agents. Even if your wild hypothesis about matrix-agents is correct, this website would be more akin to Zion(to use a Matrix analogy). I also disagree with the idea of malevolent/benevolent/neutral entities controlling our reality, but you're entitled to your own opinion.
I did find one thing you said particularly interesting. You mentioned "spiritual technology." This is a concept I've never really considered. I've given in to the belief that we completely leave our reality behind when we enter hyperspace, and so I wonder if there will ever be a way, in the distant future, to do something in hyperspace that has powerful effects on our regular reality. It's plausible to me, although the short nature of our visits make it seem impossible at the moment.
ambi-lysergance
Rising Star
Kartikay said:
*applause*
excellant we seem to have taken this thread back out the doctors surgery and back in to the nexus, were discussions and opinions of all types, however incredible may be discussed without insult or condemnation!
kartikay it is as clear as the sun that splits the skies that you are of considerable intelligence and can also be very well rehearsesd on your views. I am also deeply interested in your ponderings so yeah this is more what this discussion was all about.
anyway I still cant see you and observationtype sharing a room anytime soon but hey its all good:d
best regards
darryn
Chupang
Rising Star
Let me say i understand your point of view with the whole prison theory, and the current state the world is in is disgusting, to be a member of modern day society really does feel like a prison and all this speak of technologies & possibilities don't exist for everyone, money has become the God of this age , sad but true.
I respect your views observatontype and do not think you are crazy , although i do not completely agree with your theory, i just leave it to the Human condition of destructiveness, greed and overall corruption, this being said it is not my intention to state that all humans are bad, although power corrupts innocence thus creating an agent? ( not literally, although results are the same to an extent)
I don't know if you see were i am going with this, and i do not have time to elaborate to the full extent i would like to, but even if the 'matrix agents' existed amongst us in everyday people such as your parents, are there not people with 'spirits' doing much worse on a larger scale?
Also In relation to the Behavioral and Psychic Characteristics of the agents on the site you linked , it rings a bell and i can recognize these things in people i know in day to day life, that being said they do not seem to be a threat, and easily conquerable. The system has brainwashed a large portion of people , well at least in western civilization, but have you ever contemplated that it is exactly that?
Have you not came across the possibility what you and I are able to comprehend & remain open minded (i am including every person in this forum) others cannot? They think you are the crazy one, and feel they cannot approach you as they would their fellow puppet/robot/slave? - you see i agree in a metaphorical sense
The infection is real and greatly populated today's youth who are ultimately the cure(guess not this generation), and hopefully when this system comes crashing down the people will turn to spirituality cleansing polluted minds.
The negativity you speak of was installed into their mindset, you can even label it in biblical reference the mark of the beast ( no i am not christian).
Generally speaking i am all in for conspiracies & you have provided me with a fascinating new one that has been entertaining, for this i thank you.
I respect your views observatontype and do not think you are crazy , although i do not completely agree with your theory, i just leave it to the Human condition of destructiveness, greed and overall corruption, this being said it is not my intention to state that all humans are bad, although power corrupts innocence thus creating an agent? ( not literally, although results are the same to an extent)
I don't know if you see were i am going with this, and i do not have time to elaborate to the full extent i would like to, but even if the 'matrix agents' existed amongst us in everyday people such as your parents, are there not people with 'spirits' doing much worse on a larger scale?
Also In relation to the Behavioral and Psychic Characteristics of the agents on the site you linked , it rings a bell and i can recognize these things in people i know in day to day life, that being said they do not seem to be a threat, and easily conquerable. The system has brainwashed a large portion of people , well at least in western civilization, but have you ever contemplated that it is exactly that?
Have you not came across the possibility what you and I are able to comprehend & remain open minded (i am including every person in this forum) others cannot? They think you are the crazy one, and feel they cannot approach you as they would their fellow puppet/robot/slave? - you see i agree in a metaphorical sense
The infection is real and greatly populated today's youth who are ultimately the cure(guess not this generation), and hopefully when this system comes crashing down the people will turn to spirituality cleansing polluted minds.
The negativity you speak of was installed into their mindset, you can even label it in biblical reference the mark of the beast ( no i am not christian).
Generally speaking i am all in for conspiracies & you have provided me with a fascinating new one that has been entertaining, for this i thank you.
ambi-lysergance
Rising Star
Chupang said:
welcome chupang:d
you apologised for the quality of your post when to the contrary there was clearly no need to do so.
I like this question you asked. its good your throwing another stone in the pond!
enjoy your time here:d
Ordo Ab Chao
Rising Star
Hahahaha, it's too late for me to waste time replying right now. I'll no doubt reply properly tomorrow.....needless to say, you're exaggerating everything I said to the point of comedy. Call my credentials into question all you want, it changes nothing.
I understand my present way of being as a riddle, a puzzle, a test which I have to pass in order to get free.
I find it also similar to a straitjacket: if I panic and begin to fight against it, it grows tighter, forcing me to find other ways.
After all ways have been tried (and all of them failed to work), realization happens automatically. There may be a shortcut, but I haven't found it yet.
I find it also similar to a straitjacket: if I panic and begin to fight against it, it grows tighter, forcing me to find other ways.
After all ways have been tried (and all of them failed to work), realization happens automatically. There may be a shortcut, but I haven't found it yet.