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Is the DMT sensation real or cerebral hypoxia?

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skinwalker said:
For me the two noticable are i seem to smell DMT alllllll the time, on people, on myself, and at random places. the other is that my hand seems to twitch sometimes...
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I also smell it everywhere. Especially in nature. The twitch is not something I've experienced.

-JM
 
jmaxton said:
skinwalker said:
For me the two noticable are i seem to smell DMT alllllll the time, on people, on myself, and at random places. the other is that my hand seems to twitch sometimes...
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I also smell it everywhere. Especially in nature. The twitch is not something I've experienced.

-JM
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that smell is the smell of indole. it's everywhere.
 
I was pondering this idea of hypoxia and have concluded that the DMT is way too specific in its effects among many other things.

It does not make sense to me to simply attribute it too a random lack of oxygen state. Why would be in our systems already ?

what is the connection to the DMT found in the environment and the dmt in our bodies. I believe I heard Terrence Mckenna in a lecture say that its the same stuff.

There has to be some very specific reasons why it has the effects that it has on our nervous system. It never feels like an accident to me.

In most cases it feels like a match made in heaven or hell for that matter
 
OK first off high skeptical about DMT causing that type of hypoxia, but seriously if you want to make an argument claiming facts have facts...

If you are speculating you really shouldn't be coming at the issue in this manner.

I honestly just asked a question about the effects because other than knowing DMT entered though receptors associated with serotonin and the like I have no clue what is truly going on.

Hypoxia though seems pretty severe and if that type of damage was being caused each and every breakthough then I am pretty sure we would have heard about it. Although I really have no clue on anything of a complex medical manner other than the couple introductory type college courses I have taken
 
if you want to make an argument claiming facts have facts...

If you are speculating you really shouldn't be coming at the issue in this manner
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I am 100% merely speculating, i have never claimed this to be a fact.

also thank you for the lattest posts, very insightful and helpful. SWIM is actually doing a extract right now thanks to this some of these recent posts. The vibe seems more helpful and even inquisitive in nature rather than defensive.

from the sounds of it other have also noticed the unqiue smell of DMT and how they now smell it almost everywhere. Its been 3 weeks since swim last smoked and i can still catch it on my breath, and even when i discuss spiritual matters with friends. I wouldnt call the hand thing a twitch but i had someone video tape swim during a deep rip and for the next few minutes swim's hand would twitch as if saying "its not really doing anything this time.." or "what are are you looking at?..." ever since then swim has noticed his hand involentarily doing the same motions at random times throughout the day, however very very infrequently. Perhaps i'm a hypochondriac but i too agree with a previous poster that health related concerns with DMT should be a more openly discussed and explored topic.

also "Indole" is "Indole is an aromatic heterocyclic organic compound. It has a bicyclic structure, consisting of a six-membered benzene ring fused to a five-membered nitrogen-containing pyrrole ring. Indole is a popular component of fragrances and the precursor to many pharmaceuticals. Compounds that contain an indole ring are called indoles. The most famous derivative is the amino acid tryptophan, the precursor of neurotransmitter serotonin."

wow anything else OTC that has this same smell? why am i smelling it everywhere? fascinating most of the time, concerning at others. :?
 
skinwalker said:
if you want to make an argument claiming facts have facts...

If you are speculating you really shouldn't be coming at the issue in this manner
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I am 100% merely speculating, i have never claimed this to be a fact.
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Your initial post just came across that way coupled with the post of the 7 links that listed mostly crap in regards to this topic but of which I couldn't find anything relevant.

Research simply needs to be done. DMT is doing something profound! Hypoxia I say not but until they are doing tests for it I can't say 100% definitely not.

The thing I have really taken from this forum though is the general level of respect that although is present on other similar forums to some extent is ALL I see from this place.. The makers (oooo matrix) seem to have had a damn good plan initially and like minded people have shown up in force.

Glad this topic is turning out the same way.... Maybe this is already somewhere in the thread, but I realize cerebral hypoxia is a lack of oxygen to the brain, has any other smoked drug or entheogen in general ever had effects attributed to Hypoxia? Would seem like a good place to start as far as a little knowledge base for the claim.
 
jmaxton said:
skinwalker said:
For me the two noticable are i seem to smell DMT alllllll the time, on people, on myself, and at random places. the other is that my hand seems to twitch sometimes...
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I also smell it everywhere. Especially in nature. The twitch is not something I've experienced.

-JM
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SWIM hasn't experienced any twitch, but smell yes. However, this is unfortunately something recurrent in his various substances use.
He get his attention cought up with what he think his the smell of the molecule maybe his mind is asking him to take.
So he now doesn't really pay attention to it, and just consider it an association going on in his mind.
 
All the classic hallucinogens probably cause vasoconstriction and bronchoconstriction to SOME degree. This is because some of the receptors classic hallucinogens are active on, that are responsible fro it's psychedelic effects also have all kind of other regulatory functions throughout the body.

As a result of this, on psychedelic's such as DMT wich can greatly amplify all kinds of sensations, you could get a feeling of choking or shortness of breath. Part of this feeling is based on real sensations but part of it is purely imagined. You could get a simmilar feeling when you travel to a place 2 kilometers high. Yet in normal healthy individuals, being at such altitudes is not unhealthy in any way.

Feeling a little shortness of breath is no sign of hypoxia. If this where so, physical exercise would be bad for you.
 
there is an interesting Terrence Mckenna lecture where he describes an experiment that was done at some point. sorry for the vagueness can't remember the details.

The general gist of it was they tracked dmt or a harmine compound produced by the body. (Don't quote me on it please !!)
They found that it eventually makes its way out to the skin where it dissipates out to the environment.

It opens up a whole new level of possibilities as to the purpose of these substances in our bodies.
 
skinwalker said:
I am 100% merely speculating
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yea, but you do so in a manner where you make speculative assertions that have no bearing on reality and then act as though they are legitimately reasoned out hypotheses (which, imo, they're not); you might wanna watch that.

skinwalker said:
Perhaps i'm a hypochondriac
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That's the sense I'm getting from this thread...

skinwalker said:
wow anything else OTC that has this same smell? why am i smelling it everywhere? fascinating most of the time, concerning at others. :?
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Why are you concerned? You clearly haven't done any research and are listening to the hypochondriac in your head. If you had continued to read wikipedia you would have seen the list of reactions that synthesize indole and thus indirectly explains the pervasiveness of the indole smell. You would also have seen that indole is "a major constituent of coal tar" which also goes towards explaining you smelling this compound frequently when you are out and about. If you spend a little time doing some very basic research you can find the answers to all the questions you have presented in this thread.

peace
SB
 
Well to answer your question, Yes, it is real. Real is whatever can be conceived and yes it may be a chemical inbalance but does that mean its "fake", no, it happened. Many questions can be made about DMT but we all have experienced something very spiritual and real. It could be harmful, who knows, DMT could be what causes death eventually? this is just an example on our ignorance in answering questions because we really dont know. Also, the amount released during heavy REM sleep are far greater than those you receive when you smoke it
 
'Bad breath' smells of skattole/indole; that's why some people think old people smell of DMT. These compounds are very common in nature, once you link them to a strong experience you will indeed notice them.

from the sounds of it other have also noticed the unqiue smell of DMT and how they now smell it almost everywhere. Its been 3 weeks since SWIM last smoked and i can still catch it on my breath
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skinwalker said:
I guess i take DMT to validate an afterlife and my whole life i've traveled the world and read every book possible in search of answers to that question. Having found DMT i'm still skeptical if i'm being fooled by a biological process or if I've finally found "proof" of a multidimensional anomolous universe existing within our own consciousness. Creating a self induced hypoxic state in my opinion would immediately validate if there was a connection between DMT and cell death. the problem here is the process of testing WOULD irrefutably cause subtle to potentially larger brain damage (or possibly no less than we are already generating)
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In my opinion sometimes we waist our lifes rationalizing things, when we should just be living what is presented to us... If u r too skeptical about something you will never get a clear response after anything you search.
I have never done Ayahuasca and am now in preparation for my first cerimony but if the plants showed me something is that when there is a big blockage somewhere they will not be gentle about trowing it down so i would not be surprised if your experiences so far have been "somehow unpleasant"...
And for health related issues maybe you care to remember that the shamans and indigenous populations have been learning from them since the dawn of humanity and they seem to be far better off then we are (both physical and psychologically).
The key to everything in life is always respect and moderation ;)
 
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