I guess one fairly easy way would be to filter the teas as much as possible, and then mix them with a thick opaque liquid, and try to mask the taste. If this was done and the nose was plugged, then it would probably be alot harder to tell the difference based on taste. I might be interested in doing a blind test in the near future, i would need to find someone to administer the test, and figure out a time that works.
I have combined chaliponga with cappi 4 times, yes it was a different feeling then when i use cappi with mimosa, it was a very different trip with a seemingly more magical, better fitting character. But as many say this could be just subjective interperitations, because even on the same dose of the exact same substance, taken on two different occasions the effects can vary greatly.
That is why I use chaliponga combined with rue as an outstanding example, because ive combined mimosa with rue many times, and chaliponga with rue several times, and theres no question that the effects were vastly different including lasting much much longer than if mimosa was used, these effects i consider not to be as subjective as the "character of a trip".
I would agree that 3 different GC MS tests over 20 years do seem a pretty good indicator, i was unaware of the other ones.
There is much confusion about the labeling of chaliponga. The most common chaliponga is banisteriopsis rusbyana it is a vine, that looks very much like the ayahuasca vine, the leaves of this vine are used, im not sure if the vine contains actives or not. Diplopteries cabrerana is another name for chaliponga, sometimes b. rusbyana and diplop. refer to the same vine, there is also a small bush that is identified as diplopteries cabrerana. This is why at some vendors sites you can find both b. rusbyana and diplop. seeds and leaves.
The most commonly reffered to different types of chaliponga we come across are indeed large and small leaf. I guess it really is unclear to me weather or not they are different species altogether or different varieties of the same species. The information i found about the different types came from not a scientific publication, but from a discussion on forums.ayahuasca.com, it is said the larger darker leaved specimens are much more potent, requiring 5 or less grams, instead of 15 or so grams. You could check the discussion there out for more info. It would be cool to learn more about the different varieties, and if they really are that different.
Personally i have 2 different batches of chaliponga now, I could measure the lengths of the leaves.
As to your inquiry about my thoughts about "plant spirits" it is no offense, but i do think you are attempting to oversimplify it. plant spirits is just a oversimplifiedword i (and others) use to name energies we dont understand that seem to either come from the plants themselves or else are energies that "live" in the plants so to speak, or are extradimenstional beings who are able to attach themselves to the molecules or the unique physical biology of the molecules allows them to communicate with us somehow.
As for if the "plant spirits" or rather unexplainable energies make it into a purified extraction product, Im not qualified to say because ive never used a purified extracted product, exept for freebase dmt (which seems to harbor many spirits and dimensions), . Otherwise its all been mushrooms, mimosa tea, ayahuasca tea, and a few cacti teas, but as for my personal thoughts, of course i think they would make it into a purified product, perhaps in a less direct way, because the same tannin/ unknown compounds that are in the plant are not in the purified product. Its my belief that these molecules either attract these energies or in fact are the physical manifestations of these unexplainable energies themselves.
As for if the spirits are lost when the plant is manipulated, or if it is stored too long come on, now your just trying to tease me
If stored too long and the product degraded, then it would be less spiritually active, this seems obvious to me
What im trying to say is the spirits < (poor word anyways), really unexplainable phenomena attatch to live in or are these molecules. That is my belief, that there is something on the other end of this stuff, and for me my experiences have been so complex profound, beyond me, and have the dominating overwhelming sense of tapping into an alien intelligence database that it is impossble for me not to believe there is some external intelligence involved in the process somewhere along the line....
Does that explain more about my belief in things such as plant spirits?
but thank you for your great reply, and no nothing was taken in a negative way, thank you for adressing my posts!
I still suggest someone do chaliponga with syrian rue, and compare that with mimosa rue.
Overall though, great thread and great results, how cool that we have these tools available to the community!