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Is There a Salvia Nexus?
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the_ki
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The edot salvia forum is good. That’s where I first learned of DMT.
I used to be on the edot salvia forum alot before here..im amazed how much salvia I smoked back then..lately I barely ever touch it..though I love growing it and plan on doing some more quid experiments soon..a decent salvia forum would be cool.
edot salvia forum is the authority.
Thanks people
Yes, I went a long time without touching it because I've found the experience, especially smoking, can be dysphoric, and ayahuasca is so much more loving, so I'd always favor aya. But now that winter is here, I've taken a few outdoor shellackings. I can't go outside and journey any time I want. So, I've gotten back in to sublingual salvia, and it has some fantastic things to show, and without the body load of aya.
fractal enchantment said:
Yes, I went a long time without touching it because I've found the experience, especially smoking, can be dysphoric, and ayahuasca is so much more loving, so I'd always favor aya. But now that winter is here, I've taken a few outdoor shellackings. I can't go outside and journey any time I want. So, I've gotten back in to sublingual salvia, and it has some fantastic things to show, and without the body load of aya.
Ditto.fractal enchantment said:
You were the one that showed me this site, and I'm eternally grateful. I still smoke small doses of plain leaf on a fairly regular basis as an anti-depressant/mood elevator. I hardly ever touch the extracts though. I made a homemade extract from my plants recently and I still haven't tried it out yet.
MySmelf
Rising Star
I also was on the Edot salvia thread but under a different name. A lot of great discussions and theorizing about the salvia world and the entities. It is a unique thread on salvia.
I don't do it much anymore either. Sometimes I mix it with changa or use it therapeutically mixed with some weed for snowboard injuries.
I don't do it much anymore either. Sometimes I mix it with changa or use it therapeutically mixed with some weed for snowboard injuries.
burningmouth
Rising Star
EDOT has a special place in my heart. A few months ago I committed password suicide over there. Edot's burningmouth was dead. I then re-registered as Opie_Oidd and told the mods to combine Opie into burning's posts. They did, but they killed my password. Over there, alot of good people go online and post a few good posts. Then they disappear. No staying power. Salvialover24 keeps adding good posts, as does kedabra. Kedabra and SL24 are both extremely intelligent. Salviasofthead was a great mod. I wonder what d11 is up to?
The current mods are another story. They remind me of the Hell's Angels members in the movie about the Stones concert at Altamont. They oversee a website that has "God" in its title: enTHEOgen, but I don't see much evidence of any true spiritual nature from some of those mods.
Dioxippus and Gibran and Fractal Enchant(ment) were some of the absolutely best members over there. No bullshit !!!
The current mods are another story. They remind me of the Hell's Angels members in the movie about the Stones concert at Altamont. They oversee a website that has "God" in its title: enTHEOgen, but I don't see much evidence of any true spiritual nature from some of those mods.
Dioxippus and Gibran and Fractal Enchant(ment) were some of the absolutely best members over there. No bullshit !!!
Seeing there are many edot forum members here, I may as well ask my question here. I am interested in using "soft extract" for sublingual use. I have read of two methods for soft extract, either using acetone, or high grade alcohol I seem to have read more accounts of people using alcohol instead of acetone. I was wondering, why would people use alcohol in favor of acetone? From what I've read, acetone extracts the salvia much quicker, and also evaporates quicker, and is a lot cheaper. Is there any advantage to using alcohol?
Also, I'm wondering if there is any expiration date on soft extracts? Will the tar stay potent as long as the leaf? Thanks.
Also, I'm wondering if there is any expiration date on soft extracts? Will the tar stay potent as long as the leaf? Thanks.
"I wonder what d11 is up to?"
..I forgot all abotu d11 .. I miss those posts!
..I forgot all abotu d11 .. I miss those posts!
I hear you. It was because of the mods (well actually the admin catfish) that I decided to say farewell to EDOT. I still read some posts in the Salvia forum, and sometimes other forums, but I don't login or post anything myself anymore. Sometimes I want to, but I don't. I got a really bad vibe when "Pandora" the mod went nuts over there. Not all the mods are like that, some are pretty cool, but I just can't shake that bad vibe. Ah well, everything is transient. And leaving EDOT led me to spend more time here, which has turned out to be a very good thing. I've learned a lot from the people here, and I really like the generally respectful and loving attitude most of the members have.burningmouth said:
I thank you for the compliment. Yourself, gibran, and fractal were definitely among the members I followed the most over at EDOT. I still do now, here at the nexus. I feel a special affinity to you guys.
I've never made a soft extract, so I'm not much help. But have you tried making a tincture? burningmouth may warn you away from using tincturesApoc said:
But I have tried one that was effective. It was from the sagewisdom site. Expensive, but effective. I'm sure you could make one yourself that is similarly potent. I assume people use alcohol just out of ignorance, because you're right about acetone being a much better solvent for Salvia.I don't know, I'd just rather use a tincture than put a soft/tar extract in my mouth. But that's all up to personal preference, I suppose.
Anyhow, if I were going to make a soft extract, I would use acetone. And if properly stored, I don't see why it wouldn't last for as long as leaf.
Yeah I miss those posts too! Sometimes I still randomly think to myself, "I wonder how d11 is doing?"fractal enchantment said:"I wonder what d11 is up to?"
They were pretty horrific at times, blaming the Salvia and whatnot, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy reading them.
Dioxippus said:I've never made a soft extract, so I'm not much help. But have you tried making a tincture? burningmouth may warn you away from using tinctures
No I have not made a tincture. That was something else I wanted to ask... why people bother making tinctures when they could just use wax/tar? From what I read, the tincture is the same product as the wax except the wax is dissolved in the alcohol. So I was like, why would you burn the hell out of your mouth if you can just use the wax? and on top of that, alcohol is expensive, and the water in the alcohol may hurt yeild over time. I read a few people claim that tinctures will only last a few months, so that's what got me thinking wax is probably better. I guess maybe it's preference. You say you'd rather have alcohol in your mouth than chewy plant material. I guess I'd rather have the plant.
Sagewisdom eh? I bet it was really expensive. I did some calculations, and determined that I could not ethically buy a tincture because the price for the active content was ridiculously high. When I say I could not "ethically" buy it, I just meant that doing so would conflict with my penny pinching ways. According to my calculations, a $60 vile of 1oz of tincture contained the equivelent salvinorin content of 15g of dried leaves (which on the same site were being sold for about $6). That would mean that the tincture is sold at ten times the price, and as a savy consumer, I just couldn't do it.
burningmouth
Rising Star
Yeah, that alcohol burns like hell. I had to add drops of water to the tincture, but that cut into the quality of the experience.Dioxippus said:burningmouth may warn you away from using tinctures
I'm waiting for the...
Salvia Skin Patch (from the labs of Dioxippus)
d11 was another of those literary geniuses. That guy could write. He had a very cynical view of contemporary society (and of salvia).
Yeah, what's up with that?Apoc said:
BTW...Siebert doesn't have the charisma that Mckenna had...
not that Siebert wants to be a salvia celebrity. But he is our only 'go to' guy when the media wants to discuss salvia D.
Thanks for the praise!burningmouth said:
I never left edot – I still check posts almost daily, but I rarely post there any more. I still have interest in salvia, but my interest in DMT has been continuing to grow over the past year+. I feel like I’ve said just about everything I wanted to say there, and I’d just be repeating myself if I made lots of posts now. It was (and still is, I think) a quality forum – a similar attitude to that of the Nexus.
Regarding tar/wax – I’ve never prepared any or used any, but it’s my understanding that it’s not a very efficient means to get effects. The only oral administration form I’ve used was with fresh leaves – the taste starts out OK, but gets quite unpleasant after a while. And effects weren’t really noticeable. I don’t doubt that oral administration can lead to deep experiences, but it takes large quantities (relative to smoking) and special techniques to get there.
Hey, I'm with you on the price. I purchased it when I was relatively new to the whole Salvia experience (of consuming and purchasing it online) and it seemed like that was the only place that had a really effective tincture, so I gave it a shot. I wouldn't buy it again, however.Apoc said:
Personally, I hate alcohol. The smell, the taste, the effects when you actually drink it.
But putting a tar/wax type extract in my mouth seems...just yukky. :lol: But each to his own.Scheduled to be released on December 21, 2012.burningmouth said:
We also have a nasal spray in development. :lol: Ugh, that would be so gross. :lol:I still check posts over there on a regular basis, but not daily. My interest in Salvia hasn't gone anywhere either. It's still a plant that I believe will be with me for much of my life.gibran2 said:
And about the soft extract, that's also what I was thinking last night when I was laying in bed trying to sleep
That it may not be very efficiently absorbed orally, compared to a tincture.I have yet to quid fresh leaf, but quidding rehydrated dry leaf can be effective. Although it is definitely (unpleasant would be putting it mildly) nasty after a while. It is quite bizarre when you start to trip with a mouth full of leaves
I've found that combining quidding and smoking is incredibly effective. Even if I don't feel much from the quid, one small toke of leaf will propel me to the edge of a breakthrough. Do beware though, it was from quidding and smoking that I had my longest Salvia experience. 35 minutes in Salviaspace can be harrowing for even the most experienced.
burningmouth
Rising Star
Cool, right before the calender expires. People will be running through the streets screaming, "It's the end of the world." But I'll have a big grin on my face as I'm spraying 20x into my nostrils.Dioxippus said:Scheduled to be released on December 21, 2012.
I'll be laughing and babbling, "Wheeeee, I'm on a roller coaster to infinity."
My first salvia experience was some of Siebert's tincture. I still have the little brochure that came with the bottle. It gave a description of what salvia D is and how the tincture should be used.
If salvia becomes illegal, I'll have that memento of times past.
Dioxippus said:
:twisted: That's what I've been wondering lately, and hoping for. I'm not sensitive to salvia, and I'm kind of jealous of people who claim they can smoke plain leaf, but I need 40x for a smoke trip. I was hoping that combining oral administration with smoked saliva would provide something even stronger.
I'll let people know how my soft extract bioassay goes. From what I've read, salvinorin is soluble in alcohol, so that's why they use alcohol in tinctures. A pure crystal extract of salvinorin does not work well for oral use because for some reason the crystals don't absorb well in the mouth. However, I've read that a "dirty extract" will work well for oral use. That is, an extract with a lot of plant material should work good. Apparently, the plant waxes help oral absorption.
We'll see. Salvia is such a weird substance, both in terms of its effects, and its variance in potency in people, and people seem to have very different experiences. The effects are different in everyone. Some people report experiencing being objects, others rolled up in a zipper, others experience some kind of cartoon reality heavy on visuals, some, like me, have no visuals at all except a wheel, and experience something very solipsistic every single time. Others don`t seem to have any reaction at all to salvia. And then the oral experience is completely different. I wonder if there is some kind of alteration that happens to the salvinorin when taken orally to make the effects so different.