Is there a struggle?

[smilingblock]

What do you think?

Some people take the universal perspective on this question. They assert that the universe is perfect and that any perceived imbalances are an illusion imposed by our viewpoint. I was talking to some spiritual dude on the street the other day and he was telling me that everything is fine, all problems arise from my (your) perspective. To which I said "Are you prepared to assert that there is not one human on this planet that is going to go hungry today?".

Other people say of course there is a struggle. That there is any suffering on this planet indicates that there are great imbalances and dislocations throughout the entire universe. Why would this be the only place in the universe that is in a state of dis-equilibrium?

Is there a struggle? If so, what is it? What clues DMT give us about this issue? I'm very interested to hear what the consensus is.

Personally, I am working under the following paradigm:

We do not exist. There is only one source of human intelligence and we all are derived from that. It exists simultaneously in all of us as well as in another dimension and our notion of individuality is just an artifact of the multiple instances of this program running simultaneously.

Life is a multi-stage self-replicating "program" of which humans are not the final stage. Human's are simply portals/devices through which this intelligence can operate in this dimension and build the next stage of its progression which will allow it to emerge into this dimension more fully. All of our ideas are coming from it. The problem seems to be that other beings want to come here too. They want that technology so that they can manifest themselves in this dimension.

Think about it and try to remember. We are all doing the same thing all the time. The only thing that is ever changing is the technology. Does anyone remember what I'm talking about?

 

[daedaloops]

I think there is no struggle, in the way that you mean it. Everything in the universe is exactly how it should be. Things just flow, and earth is just a microscopic part of that flow. Just because self-awareness happened to come into the picture recently doesn't mean that we now somehow have the magical ability to take things into a "wrong" path. Sure we have free will to do what we want, but in the bigger picture it's like a mass, and it's all part of the flow too. It can be difficult looking at things from a human-centric viewpoint, and getting concepts like "good" or "bad" in there.

I mean I have no idea whether the big bang is real, or if there's really millions of stars out there.. who knows might be just elaborate walls made by aliens who are playing a game with us. But still, somehow deep down I just feel, that everything is exactly how it should be. Even if this is a simulation or a game. Whoever started it must have had reasons for it. And that applies to everything, going back infinitely. See what I mean?

All we have is the moment now, and all events leading to it happened because they happened. ... Oh and here is a new moment of now, and the same thing can be said about it too. So on and so forth..

Also, I resonate alot with your theory that we're just viewing portals for the universe to look at itself.

 

[Walter D. Roy]

To me of course there is struggle, for opposites to exist (life, death; existence, non-existence) then what is created in between is the struggle.

Of course everything is alright, time doesn't really exist, infinite does. Something is going to keep going on. In that sense, yes we are okay, but that doesn't mean we won't struggle. You brought up a good point with the hunger. Even if we are a collective conscious that works simultaneously together, a small part of this is going to suffer. If there is no suffering, then the opposite is suffering. There is suffering in between those. Degrees of suffering. To eliminate total suffering would be to eliminate the idea of pain all together.

Walter

 

[Korey]

We do not exist, eh?

Care to expand on that?

 

[smilingblock]

In a sense, our individuality ( which is what makes us "us" ) is nothing but an illusion.

The source of all thought is one and it exists wholly in another dimension.

Our experience of being "ourselves" is an artifact which arises when this intelligence manifests itself through our bodies/portals in this dimension. It appears that biology is a program which generates devices sufficient for carrying/receiving/transmitting this intelligence.

 

[Korey]

Individuality certainly is not an illusion, I think memes and structured beliefs that cannot be proven or objectively agreed upon tends to be illusion more often than not.

You are a human, you are in a physical body, if one cannot remember before one is born, what is the point of trying to learn what lies after death? These ideas cannot be proven, they are merely ideas and one must employ a high amount of faith to embrace these beliefs.

If you are part of the source which created the physical world to forget its own divinity, then why do so many here strive to relearn their divinity? Wouldn't that be a fundamental value each of us shared if we were all of the same thing, if we fundamentally wanted to forget what we were, why would we strive for divinity in this short lifetime if it's the life we allocated to ourselves for relief from our own omnipotent intelligence and awareness?

 

[smilingblock]

I think memes and structured beliefs that cannot be proven or objectively agreed upon tends to be illusion more often than not.

agreed

If you are part of the source which created the physical world to forget its own divinity, then why do so many here strive to relearn their divinity? Wouldn't that be a fundamental value each of us shared if we were all of the same thing, if we fundamentally wanted to forget what we were, why would we strive for divinity in this short lifetime if it's the life we allocated to ourselves for relief from our own omnipotent intelligence and awareness?

Whether the source is deliberately trying to forget or not doesn't seem to be obviated but its a notion that many share. There are other possible explanations for why one source of intelligence would be projecting itself into another dimension through many simultaneous channels. This in itself would appear to be a struggle never mind the dark entities. Anyway I'm thinking out loud and I appreciate the feedback. I'm certain that I'm not certain about any of this.

 

[Korey]

Thank you for the response as well, and I'm certain that we all have no idea of "what's going on."

 

[CatholicPsychonaut]

Of course there is struggle. This whole "Everything is perfect," you aren't happy because of your state of mind is (excuse my french) bullshit. The world IS suffering. To live a human life is to be drowning in suffering. I believe that happiness isn't about negating suffering, so much as understanding that it's nothing personal, and that it is an opportunity to grow in holiness, to be purified by pain, to understand that we can try and run from our pain, negate our sufferings, but that all we will succeed in doing is finding the same sufferings and pain in the new places we run to, the new people we become, the next life we live on the wheel of samsara (suffering). True liberation is NOT the negation of suffering, as some New Age philosophies teach, but the embrace of one's suffering state as the way it is meant to be. The end of ego is to align our Will with the God's will (or the flow of the universe, same thing, different words), or to abandon our will entirely to that of THE FLOW. When we are able to do this, to let go, we won't stop suffering, stop feeling pain, stop seeking change... What we'll do is stop personalizing that suffering... That thought that "I'm being wronged" by this or that suffering, that someone has it out for me, that if I just do this or that thing, obtain this or that goal, that all will be well and my suffering will end... It won't. It never will. Suffering is the bedrock of human life. We cannot escape it, because in a way, it's what our very bodies are made of.