Is This The Origin Of Life-The Key To Eternity? Please help...

[maymay]

Music is the universal language, it is the purest form of knowledge, it is the most harmonious form of chaos...music transcends time and space,it is eternal.There is something about sound that stuns us and makes us and everything else vibrate to its rhythm.You can look for knowledge your entire life,you can meditate,you can abuse psychedelics,you can do whatever you want to skip some classes and speed the process of enlightenment but you can't avoid an ''universal fact''(to say the least),whether you stumble upon it in religious texts(regardless of the religion or belief) or you stumble upon it in a trip, a lesson that is sure to be thought is that "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

(---I chose this quote because it best describes the important lesson.I'm not a fan of any religion,especially Christianity,because the messages are given a religious/worshiping twist to them and thus they are presented in a way that can be misinterpreted.The initial knowledge is left there in plain sight for the seekers of the truth and the ''worthy'' but it is embedded in something much vaster that makes it very difficult,almost impossible to decipher[...]credible/true enough to make you believe but not enough to close the subject,anyway too vast for the majority to even think of reading in depth between the lines---)Now back to the initial topic...

What I want to say is that it is clearly given that whatever or whoever the Creator was,regardless in which theory you believe in:Big Bang,Creation etc...Sound was the first thing to come out of this Singularity,it was the first form of energy to be released.Funny enough, as time passes, we come to the conclusion that everything is energy at different frequencies.Moreover, we are discovering that this basic energy from which every other energy derives,and from which every thing is created is the energy form that we associate with sound...some of you might feel that something is missing...Light? What about the energy form we associate with light?...good question.Think about any example in nature,any example whatsoever of energy releasing,what's the first form of energy released?or should I say in which form is energy released first?...SOUND...and the second form is LIGHT,then HEAT but these are secondary forms that derive from the action of the first.

Now comes the important part,the part that made me write this and what answered my question without a doubt that this is the so called ''Key To Eternity''...I was listening to Terence McKenna describing one of his trips and he was talking about these beings that he never encountered before in hyperspace who were making sounds and thus creating solid object and even realities and they were inviting him to try it too and somewhat suggesting that this is the ultimate step,a boundary between enlightened and eternal...and then it hit me that many others have described this happening to them on a trip but it was so short,the encounter,that one could believe that it is intentionally so to give you the key but then to overwhelm you with other things to make you quickly forget or to make it seem less important than other things you are shown in your journey...

What I would like to know is if you -heard from a friend- describing this encounter or something similar in one of their journeys? and I would like to see your take on this.It is important because I want to map something before my initiation in hyperspace.

Thank you...

 

[۩]

To me, hyperspace looks like activity occurring in higher octaves of light not normally perceived. Opens you up to another spectrum. In hyperspace you can see/hear/feel everything...which is a reflection of everything else in the universe...quite brilliant in it's reactivity and pervasiveness. A scaffolding, as a wise man once said.
To experience reflection is to experience eternity...
how incredible it feels to spiral up/down that fractal
don't know how we can come back with that
like lightning.

The spice constantly makes me rethink everything I've ever known.
But it's ability to open our senses up to other spectrums has proven to be a vital nutrient for the curious mind and anxious body !

 

[sunshineandsmiles]

Sound was the first thing to come out of this Singularity,it was the first form of energy to be released

From my understanding...I thought it was light and sound? In one almighty flash and bang...

They couldn't call it the Big Flash because that made the old physics lecturers giggle like schoolgirls XD

But seriously...light travels faster than sound...so how do we know that sound came first? or light came first? or if they started off the same but light travelled faster?

That's impossible to know for certain unless someone or something was there to record it...the only thing that comes close is the Hindu idea of the Akashic Records. Which some believe can be accessed through deep meditation or use of medicines

But all this spiritual stuff has yet to be proved scientifically viable...just like the atom

A unified grand theory must unify all theories of past present and future...otherwise it wouldn't be what it says on the tin...and that's false advertising *tuttut* :lol:

 

[Researcher]

I'm also very intrigued by the idea that sound is a key to reality. Music affects moods, music can be used to manipulate large groups of people. Plato speaks of the use of music to educate (or manipulate as I read it, because they are discussing how the guardian class can direct the lives of those below them).

As far as McKenna goes, he wasn't a stupid man, and I'm almost certain that he got the idea of "elves" singing things into existence from previous studies of religion.

For instance, the Kabbalah, Sephir Yezirah, seems to imply that a creator manipulated space/time and created everything using words, or sounds. This is similar to shamans who sing while healing, believing the sounds, from spirits, to have restorative power.

Christianity has a similar concept in that the "Word" was made flesh. The Uitoto Indians had a creation myth which stated, "In the beginning the Word gave the Father his origin", from Language and Myth, by Ernst Cassirer, page 44.


Quantum mechanics, although I'm not very well versed in it, leads some to the idea that vibrations and frequency play an important part in our perception of reality.

Frequency is an interesting concept. Words = sound = vibration = frequency 1, 2, 3, 4. Shamans singing a healing song are manipulating frequency. A "creator" speaking things into existence is manipulating frequency.


My point is that the ancient religions (which, in my opinion, were based on a sort of ancient science and became misunderstood and twisted into dogma) have much in common with modern science, and perhaps they knew things that we are just beginning to understand from our re-search. Perhaps DMT opens that knowledge to us and perhaps that's why it's a Schedule 1 substance.

 

[PsiloCyborg]

Quantum mechanics, although I'm not very well versed in it, leads some to the idea that vibrations and frequency play an important part in our perception of reality.

Actually it's String Theory that posits a role for the frequency and vibrations of light in the way we perceive the many levels of reality (aside from the the role visible light plays in our vision and therefore perception); Quantum mechanics is a probabilistic theory that deals mostly with the wave/particle duality of light and the strange behavior of subatomic particles. Once you get down to a certain scale Newtonian Physics become useless and the particles you observe exhibit some very odd and striking characteristics like Superpositioning and Quantum Entanglement (respectively the ability of particles to be in more then one place at once and to be directly connected to other particles over infinite distances yet respond instantly to forces acting on one or the other.)

If you're up for some serious mind expansion you should take a look at the Double-Slit Experiment, it's a relatively simple experiment in Quantum behavior that has wide-reaching implications (both Scientific and Philosophical.) To make a long story short photons are fired through a barrier with two slits in it at a detector. If someone is there to observe the experiment then the photons pass through the slits and strike the detector in the expected pattern, but if the experiment takes place unobserved then they go all over the place (indicating that our consensus reality takes place only when someone or something is there to observe it and collapse all of the possible Quantum probabilities and all of the Superpositioned particles into ONE outcome.) This ties back into String Theory which asserts that the fabric of reality is made up of infinitesimal vibrating strings of light; so if photons do whatever they want when no one's watching them then this supposed "ONLY" reality which we all inhabit day to day is really a very transient thing.

Back to the idea of sound manifesting our reality, it does so in the very literal sense that your brainwaves shift between Delta (up to 4 hertz) and Beta (12-30 hertz) depending on your conscious or unconscious state and that those wave patterns can be altered through a process called Brainwave Entrainment in which high-frequency "beats" of slightly different pitches are used to shift your consciousness to a desired mode (such as the Theta range to aid in meditation.) Chanting and ritualistic drumming are used to similar effect.

Researcher: I agree with you that the ancient mystical traditions seem to have had a much firmer grasp on the nature of reality and human experience then our modern societies do, at least in part due to their extensive practice of Shamanism and all that they must have learned on their own adventures in Hyperspace, but I definitely get a kick out of watching Western Science edge ever closer to the same realisations as they plunge down the rabbit hole and discover for themselves how bizarre and inexplicable (from a materialistic standpoint) our Universe really is. It would be anathema to them to admit it but they're starting to arrive at the very same conclusions that have been staring Shamans and other Psychonauts in the face since long before we began, as a species, to engage in scientific thought. :roll:

 

[Researcher]

My bad, like I said, I'm not too well educated on quantum theory and string theory, although I've heard of it, I've yet to learn about. But I am familiar with the double slit experiment, in fact that's what opened me up to the concept of reality being, basically, all in your head. Can you recommend any good books or websites with a basic introduction to string theory?

 

[PsiloCyborg]

No need to apologize! It's very interesting stuff but it can be difficult to get into. In order to understand what's "different" about String Theory (which is at this stage is purely theoretical) and Quantum Mechanics (which has been verified by observation over and over) in regards to the Standard Model it's necessary to have at least a cursory background in Cosmology so I would highly recommend an overview like Stephen Hawking's excellent (if slightly dated) book A Brief History of Time.

From that point onward there's no end to the fascinating literature you can find on the subject but a few favorites of mine are:

The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene (The book, I would stay away from the highly popular but severely dumbed-down documentary of the same name which mostly consists of a history lesson and philosophical musings.)

Parallel Worlds by Michio Kaku

In Search of Schrödinger's Cat by John Gribbin

The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot (not, strictly speaking, about String Theory or Quantum Theory but fascinating nonetheless.)

I could list many more but if you find any of the above books to your taste then you'll be able to find more reading any which way you look.

Perhaps before you do any of this I would read the Wikipedia entries on: Thermodynamics, General Relativity, the Doppler Effect (as it applies to Astronomy,) Quantum Mechanics, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force, Electromagnetism (you'll get the gist of the fourth fundamental force, gravity, in the General Relativity article,)
and whatever linked terms in those articles you don't understand. You don't need a complete understanding of Thermodynamics but understand entropy before you move on to the rest.

I would also recommend that you check out the BAUT (Bad Astronomy/Universe Today) Forum.

Finally I would have you check out the "Electric Universe" theory which I personally subscribe to (and which is completely at odds with every Gravity-Centric cosmological model out there.) It won't be nearly as rewarding (or make any sense, really) unless you save it for last though!

SWIY can easily find these resources (and much more) neatly bundled together in pdf form as "Physics Collections" on any torrent site.

 

[biopsylo]

ive had the notion while under the effects of certain compounds, that music (sound) and light became the same frequency. this is how it was perceived at the time anyway

 

[Researcher]

I would highly recommend an overview like Stephen Hawking's excellent (if slightly dated) book A Brief History of Time.

I have a basic understanding of cosmology, I was a big fan of Carl Sagan and have read most of his books. I have Hawkings book on my book shelf but I've never actually gotten around to reading it, I think I'll make it my next book.

Perhaps before you do any of this I would read the Wikipedia entries on: Thermodynamics, General Relativity, the Doppler Effect (as it applies to Astronomy,) Quantum Mechanics, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force, Electromagnetism (you'll get the gist of the fourth fundamental force, gravity, in the General Relativity article,)
and whatever linked terms in those articles you don't understand. You don't need a complete understanding of Thermodynamics but understand entropy before you move on to the rest.

I have basic understandings of thermodynamics (I read a lot on this to be able to counter the argument of entropy against evolution by creationists), relativity, the doppler effect and electromagnetism. Strong and weak nuclear force I have heard of but I admit I do not know anything about. I have a firm grasp of the wave/particle duality in QM and related ideas, but for some reason I thought frequency/vibration had a part to play in that as well, perhaps because waves are measured in frequency.

Finally I would have you check out the "Electric Universe" theory which I personally subscribe to (and which is completely at odds with every Gravity-Centric cosmological model out there.) It won't be nearly as rewarding (or make any sense, really) unless you save it for last though!

I've seen a documentary about this idea, I admit it fascinates me and in fact seems to make a lot of sense. I will look into in further though. Thanks for all the great info.

 

[۩]

ive had the notion while under the effects of certain compounds, that music (sound) and light became the same frequency. this is how it was perceived at the time anyway

With focus, I can see sounds (even sober, now)
and I can also hear what I see (Like looking at a mandala, or cymatics, or a fence...it's hard to explain. All is reflection)]

Light IS sound, just in a much higher octave//spectrum.
Somehow light waves act like particles.
Very interesting science!!

:twisted:

 

[Shpongle]

MayMay

First of all a proper Warm and Fuzzy to you, before I begin to get into the idea of silence.

Now, I cannot say that DMT is a perfect solution to Psychic Noise, but it is a catalyst in noise reduction.

A few days ago you had been noting your lexicon of knowledge on the subject of DMT and you received a few here and there's about why people smoke it, and not necessarily what it was like. The silence is overwhelming, leaving the mind vulnerable to suggestion. Some really vast musical careers have been devoted to the simulation of the DMT experience.

I wonder why you did not take a side of your arguments, though, stating that either people believe in religious conception or evolutionary conception, but moreover had postulated the existence of either as general opinion.

'Sound' leaves something to be desired no? What kind of sound, immediately when I think of sounds I am reminded of the question of a tree falling in the woods and no one being there to hear it. Although I now wonder if a tree falls in the woods, what kind of tree and can I have the roots since it has fallen over? :shock: