I've had 2 DMT sessions, and I've had Zero cravings for cannabis.

[Panpsychic]

Because I'm not "calling out" anyone as anything, my point is to stop using the term "drug" as a pejorative, so if it's not a pejorative there's no point in calling out anyone for anything related to it.

Well what you are calling for is essentially a fantasy then with no relation to actual reality. Since you are arguing to 'reset' the use of a word with decades of negaitive associations, and associations still ongoing. It become a word entirely unfit for the purposes you are proposing.
Better then to not use the word 'drug' at all in that case, since the pejorative association is now a feature of its use in English.

Tea is definitely a drug, and I do consider caffeine a drug. Mild in its effects, but with real physical addiction potential. I've been through it several times, in fact. Even if it had no addiction potential, it would still be a drug. My point is precisely and once again to not use "drug" as a kind of slur.

Again, "drug" is a slur regardless of intent.
I definitely do not agree with classifying tea as a 'drug' and tea drinkers as 'drug users' simply because it contains small amounts of caffeine. Distinctions can be useful.

That's not standard at all, socially speaking. That's convenient to you. Once again: this all can be avoided by removing the subjective element once we stop using it as a way to attack or reject that which we dislike.

The term 'sacred drug' is not convenient to me, its a term which conveys the value and meaning of the term. I could use 'sacred medicine' or 'sacrament'.

Where I come from has no weight in how solid or weak my arguments are. You don't know if I'm actually addicted and just pretending here to be how I would like to be, or if I have personally beat up weed dealers. It doesn't and shouldn't matter. It would matter if I were making a moral argument about cannabis use, but I'm not.

It does. Similar to your above statements you are arguing for idealism not practical reality.

It adds context to the thread discussion and itis valid. Its not possible to simply remove any preexisting influences and motivations and pretending you are arguing a purely objective point. As you are accusing others of making moral judgements on their use of the term drug, you are likewise shaped by your own prior and current drug use when you engage in such discussions.

Do you think if I started making assumptions about you it would be helpful to promote clarity and move the discussion in a productive direction?

No assumptions were made so stick to what was actually written. I self disclosed my own history with said substance, in line with the OP about his former cannabis use. I also stated that from my experience people on different sides of this discussion have views shaped by their use, and conjectured about this being the case for you, a conjecture which you clarified as partly correct.

I'm talking about the use of the word "drug" as a label for the ill and subjectively defined category of "psychoactive substances I don't like", which varies from person to person. It's a category that has no place in serious discussion about drugs and we should just get rid of. Talk about actual effects, risks, etc. instead of "good" or "bad".

Better yet, stick to 'psychoactive substances' since 'drug' is far too loaded a term to reclaim with any kind of neutrality, so criticizing someones use of the term in a negative light towards certain potentially damaging habit forming psychoactives is really a fruitless point of contention. It would be better to do away with use of the term 'drug' altogether from your perspective, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

 

[Jamie01]

I am reminded of conversations with people who take plant psychedelics/drugs and then claim to “not use chemicals”.

It’s entirely semantic…but words have definitions so…

 

[blig-blug]

I think I said everything that I wanted to say about this topic, @Panpsychic . My point is not about words, and I've made it more clear in my latest posts. You can think that I'm calling for a reform of language if you want, but that's not the case. I'm calling for people in the Nexus not condemning arbitrary groups of substances and the people that use them.

However, I must address this because I think your behavior here leaves much to be desired.

No assumptions were made so stick to what was actually written

Sure, I will:

So why the sudden reaction to cannabis where someone draws that line for themselves? Most probably because you smoke cannabis yourself and it triggers this reactivity

That IS an assumption about who I am and why I'm writing what I'm writing, used as a way to dismiss my arguments. After me having pointed it out without having responded in kind, you could have owned it, or just ignored it, those are mostly reasonable options. Other than sticking to it, denial is the worst possible reaction I can think of.

It's basically bait for me to reply with my own assumptions. I made the effort to not do that and address your arguments instead of your person. So please make the effort of being an adult. I'm not asking you to own it, just to not be in denial or double down.

 

[Varallo]

No assumptions were made so stick to what was actually written. I self disclosed my own history with said substance, in line with the OP about his former cannabis use. I also stated that from my experience people on different sides of this discussion have views shaped by their use, and conjectured about this being the case for you, a conjecture which you clarified as partly correct.

You may feel you weren’t making assumptions, but to an outsider it does read that way. I notice this more often, you use ad hominem arguments, which disrupt and harden the discussion. Sadly you’ve been called out on this in the past, with requests to stop doing it. Now I see it happening again.

So my suggestion would to be ask yourself, if you’ve received this kind of feedback now multiple times, whether it’s something to take seriously. You could perhaps learn from past situations, because otherwise it keeps recurring.

Finally this particular discussion is getting out of hand. The meaning of the word “drug” can be found in a dictionary or Wikipedia in the very first sentence. Whether you personally attach negative associations to it doesn’t matter much. So I suggest we close this discussion with the following definition and move back on-topic.

“A drug is any chemical substance other than a nutrient or an essential dietary ingredient, which, when administered to a living organism, produces a biological effect.”

Take care

 

[Panpsychic]

I think I said everything that I wanted to say about this topic, @Panpsychic .

Good, as I have likewise so we can leave it there.

That IS an assumption about who I am and why I'm writing what I'm writing, used as a way to dismiss my arguments.

As I explained, it is in my view valid to this discussion and relating to the OP. Its unfortunate if you took it as a personal judgement but as I clarified in my view it is necessary on this topic which is why I disclosed my prior use also.

After me having pointed it out without having responded in kind, you could have owned it, or just ignored it, those are mostly reasonable options. Other than sticking to it, denial is the worst possible reaction I can think of.

It's basically bait for me to reply with my own assumptions.

Well I reject this assertion. As I explained the reasoning for it in the above post. Identifying that peoples prior cannabis use may be a contributing factor in their views about renouncing cannabis use and how it is classified, is not unreasonable and is relevant to the OP itself. You can disagree with that view, but it has been given and reasons for it made. So I can't accept it being framed as a denial or 'bait'. I am really not interested in such games, and think you are a bigger then that also.

You may feel you weren’t making assumptions, but to an outsider it does read that way.

Unfortunate but I did try to clarify my rationale and why I consider it valid in this case. As much as we may try, we cant always separate our prior conditioning and it will factor in during such discussions and influence our views.

I notice this more often, you use ad hominem arguments, which disrupt and harden the discussion. Sadly you’ve been called out on this in the past, with requests to stop doing it. Now I see it happening again.

Actually it has only been made previously by you when we were dicussing some point. So please dont try to generalize.

So my suggestion would to be ask yourself, if you’ve received this kind of feedback now multiple times,

Again, only once from you.

You could perhaps learn from past situations, because otherwise it keeps recurring.

I am quite sure you would be there to remind me.

Finally this particular discussion is getting out of hand.

I dont think it is, but we have agreed to disagree and said what needed to be said so it has run its course.

 

[unisonruss1285]

Fourth day of no cravings ️

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Fourth day of no cravings ️

IME, and as has been previously said, the lack of cravings is temporary. It does last for some time with strong experiences. And they do come back gradually, not suddenly. But, they go away again with more DMT. And, it happens with rather small doses as well. It's been many months since I smoked DMT and I feel the urge when I have some pain issues or insomnia now. I know that I can pre-dose with Harmalas and smoke just enough to feel like a mild mushroom trip for 5-10 minutes just one time and they'll go away again. Not for as long as heavier or more repeated dosage, but for a couple months anyway.

I also notice that DMT has an antidepressant effect for a while after use. Colors seem brighter and I worry less. Maybe this is related?

I have a friend who is nearly abstinent from all psychoactive substances since he was hooked on opiates some years back. He says that he does a bit of mushrooms periodically, "just enough to feel", to improve mood. Says a bit of shrooms has him feeling more positive for months after.

Don't let my experience in any way dictate how you feel. Everybody is different. Regardless, I'm sure you'll easily get enough of a "reset" to quit if you so desire. If you do need a booster, a little ritual, meditation, or prayer to to set intent might make that booster very effective.

 

[unisonruss1285]

The antidepresent effects are real. I have been so much happier since my last 2 sessions.