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OnthePath

OnthePath

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Ok so I've got some brownish thick goo from a xylene pull. How do I go about administering this? It's rather thick but still somewhat viscous. Is there anything to add to it to make it more solid and less sticky?

Is it normal that it should smell like sweet soap? Kind of nice really.

Thanks
 
Do a manual recrystalization...essentially scrape the goo around/flatten it with a razor, spread it thin and let it hang out for a while. scrape it all up and spread it around again, do this until it's solid/waxy and smoke as you normally would. No need to add anything.

peace
SB
 
you should do a few ecetone evaps on that goo, say 2-3, just to get rid of any xylene still hanging around there.
 
Thanks. I won't be able to evap anything else, I cannot do this in the house. I had to leave this outside for almost a week which was a little more than inconvenient. I don't have much privacy sort of speak. I'll scrape it around a few times and then give 'er a go! I was curious if the acetone wash was necessary but it pretty much smells unlike xylene.

Thanks again!
 
q21q21 said:
SWIM recommends an easier and purer method.
Evaporating xylene will leave behind much more than just jungle/jimjam, this method yields pure freebase from limonene, should from xylene too.

Here:
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To my knowledge jungl/jimjam is fullrange spice, as in all the alkaloids. Xylene doesn't leave toxic remnants, ime...so what is this "much more" you're saying it leaves behind? q21q21, I think your work with acetic acid is outstanding, but it's kind of irrelevant for someone at this point, no? He's already got his jungle product, just needs to finish the manual re-x. Given his situation, your work may be advisable for him to follow in the future, but in this case he's fine carrying on as he is going.

peace
SB
 
Although limonene is known to evaporate with some residue, SWIM evaporated limonene which was still yellow despite 4 acetic acid pulls.

The limonene yielded several grams of goo that looked very much like jungle, though it didn't smell right (very very lemony) and unlike jungle is was not soluble in water at all. When it got on his hands he had to scrub it off.

SWIM smoked a tiny bit of it just to make sure there was no actives in it, just because it looks so much like jungle, but no effects and.... ewww

Xylene also keeps a slight yellow after acetic acid pulls as well, though he's never evaporated xylene completely before after salting, but it has almost identical properties as limonene, would only assume it would leave behind the same.
 
Yea, xylene will evaporate completely, or at least it has every time i've done solvent tests or pulled jungle with it. Limonene never evaps completely ime. This was the issue with the d-limo hash, we figured sublimation may work, but I gotta wait til I get a sublimator to test that out. I'm assuming that this non-complete evaporation problem is the reason we salt out of limo, but my chemistry foundations are kinda shaky, so I wouldn't claim that to be THE reason for salting, just my guess.

But, q21q21, you never answered my question...what is the "much more" you are claiming that xylene leaves behind in addition to jungle?
 
Sorry if I didn't use "much more" although considering the reply was right after your question wouldn't you assume that the remnants mentioned were the "much more"

Anyway, limonene and xylene are both extremely strong and multi-purpose solvents and that is why they are so good for cleaning.
(they also have very very similar chemical properties, similar to toluene and xylene)

To think that they would dissolve only DMT out of the bark is a little more than wishful thinking.

Now what xylene leaves behind upon evaporation will not be xylene based (assumed the ridiculously long process of evaporation is fully completed), it will be MHRB based, but SWIM once evaporated xylene on the garage windowsill on a hot summer day (with his roommates complaining to no end of the smell)

once it was done he washed the product with warm naptha several times. What was left was a greyish-white powdery substance that in no way resembled or smelled of DMT, nor did it of xylene.
this was months before SWIM has learned about limeteks and salting out and anything else that will prevent the nasty smell of xylene overwhelming his house.

As posted above a similar result was obtained with limonene. A light-red goo completely insoluble in water.

Although if xylene could be evaporated cleanly if it was used not to dissolve alkaloids from bark but rather the purified alkaloids alone, this process is not advantageous in any way really.

Sorry, the reason I missed your post was because my internet was down for a day.
 
It's all good, I see what you're saying now, I missed the "left slight yellow" after the acetic acid pulls part of your earlier post, but that still leaves questions in my mind, which is why I messaged you. You seem to essentially have said "xylene doesn't just pull jungle spice, it pulls dmt and other alks", which to my mind is saying "xylene doesn't just pull jungle spice, it pulls jungle spice".

I never said xylene would only pull dmt, I said it would pull jungle spice, fullrange spice, jimjam, whatever you call it, which seems to be exactly what you're saying it pulls (or leaves behind, either way, this is what's present in xylene). From what you've posted it would not be unreasonable to assume, im(non-chemist)o, that whatever that yellow that was left behind could have been yuramemine/the beta-carboline type alk/n-oxide (all components of jungle, with the exception that yuramemine may be converted to something else) and thus not "much more" or in fact anything more, but jungle spice by definition. This is all i'm saying, for some reason it appears that you took my statement of jungle spice to mean pure dmt, but I did in fact mean jungle spice. If I'm missing something, I would appreciate you letting me know so I could promptly remove my foot from my mouth :oops: . I appreciate you engaging me on this.

peace
SB
 
While in fact what is left behind to SWIM is unknown, though he knows it is not smokable, at least not active.

Since they are not salted out, they are either alkaloids that are non-polar in salt form or non-alkaloid oils/fats or solids that happen to be soluble in limonene/xylene.

SWIM is in the process of an extraction and he will evaporate the limonene after it has been thoroughly salted.

In terms of terminology, suppose that "jungle" can either mean the smokable or ingestable alkaloids that are not white N-N-DMT.
or they could be used to describe anything that is pulled by limonene/xylene/toluene that isn't white N-N-DMT, including fats and non-actives.

With the advent of FASA it has made pure jungle much more accessible and now with the vinegar salting + heated evaporation conversion to freebase it is much more likely that the first definition is what is being referred to, while in the past the second may have been more common.

Jimjam is all of the salt-able alkaloids from limonene/xylene/toluene, don't think that is variant
 
q21q21 said:
SWIM is in the process of an extraction and he will evaporate the limonene after it has been thoroughly salted.
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This is pointless, as your limonene is not going to fully evaporate. Trust me, it’s a waste of time, I was experimenting with d-limo hash oil a couple months ago and the biggest problem I encountered was that it’s not possible to completely evaporate all of the limonene. Feel free to see what’s left, but it’s not going to give meaningful results, imo, as the dyes/waxes/alks will be inseperable from your limonene.

q21q21 said:
In terms of terminology, suppose that "jungle" can either mean the smokable or ingestable alkaloids that are not white N-N-DMT.
or they could be used to describe anything that is pulled by limonene/xylene/toluene that isn't white N-N-DMT, including fats and non-actives.

With the advent of FASA it has made pure jungle much more accessible and now with the vinegar salting + heated evaporation conversion to freebase it is much more likely that the first definition is what is being referred to, while in the past the second may have been more common.

Jimjam is all of the salt-able alkaloids from limonene/xylene/toluene, don't think that is variant
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Well, given your distinctions in these definitions, it’s fairly apparent that jungle should refer to everything that is pulled including oils and fats as that is the older term and fittingly, the “older” solvents as toluene and xylene pull all of this stuff, whereas jimjam, as a result of limo salting, would refer to only the alks. I think we may have inadvertently stumbled on the distinction between jim jam and jungle and could, if other people agree to it, potentially update the wiki and definitions to reflect this. Anyways, seeing as we were referring to xylene, jungle is what is pulled, nothing more, nothing less. DMT, the other alks, plant oils and fats. This was my objection to your claim it pulls “much more” and given the distinctions that you just drew up, I think it’s even more apparent that jungle is what is left following a xylene pull and evaporation. Anything salted out would qualify as jimjam, but evapped xylene/toluene = jungle. Whaddya think about using these definitions/distinctions?

peace
SB
 
This is pointless, as your limonene is not going to fully evaporate. Trust me, it’s a waste of time, I was experimenting with d-limo hash oil a couple months ago and the biggest problem I encountered was that it’s not possible to completely evaporate all of the limonene. Feel free to see what’s left, but it’s not going to give meaningful results, imo, as the dyes/waxes/alks will be inseperable from your limonene.
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SWIM will do it quickly over a hot water bath, since he knows that all the jimjam freebases are stable up to and including 100 celcius.

He's done this before and unlike last time, he's going to try to see if any of it can be dissolved in hot vinegar. It just really bugs him that it is almost the same color as jimjam, maybe there are actives stuck in there like flies on fly paper.
 
So, did you evaporate the limonene to the point where it left no residue? Regardless of the melting point of the fumarates, the limo is not going to evap cleanly. I've boiled it, heated it in a stove, on a htoplate, tried manual crystallization type methods, I just don't believe without sublimation you're going to get rid of all the limonene. What'd you wind up with?
 
lol SWIM totally forgot to update. Though it was very uneventful.

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This stiff is what came out and was exactly the same as remembered. It is pretty waxy and completely insoluble in water and vinegar.
While back SWIM smoked some and it was harsh and non-active.
 
It's limonene residue...of course it seems non active, if there is anything in there I dunno what % it would be, but you'd probly have to smoke a lot more than a "standard" dose as a good portion of that is limonene left-overs. This is remarkably similar to my findings with d-limo hash oil as far as the evaporation issues and yea, compared to regular hash oil, you have to smoke more to get the same level of high, so I'd imagine that you would have to fully vape a larger quantity than you'd be comfortable with in order to get effects, if there are any to be had.

peace
SB
 
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