Jurema preparation

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

hello nexians! i hope this is the right place to post, since im talking about an analoge, and not aya itself, but there isnt any more specific area for this method of preparation and ingestion for Jurema.

so, im making my first jurema brew.

I soaked 50 gr in minimal amount of water, let it sit for a few days, separated water. Then I made 3 brews at 100º celsius with only a few drops of lemon, saved the 3 brews together and filtered with t-shirt.
My intention is to mix this small amount (less than 100ml) with the recuded brew.

I reduced the brew to 700 ml, then reduced the heat to 60º celsius and added a cup of water with gelatin for tannin removal. the gelatin wasnt completely dissolved, but it melted right away as it touched the warm brew. the brew became cloudy and after a bit it was looking like a pinkish coffee with milk. i filter and move everything to a big cup, checked the PH with some litmus, and it was around 4, and finally put it in the fridge overnight.

today, the brew looks a little bit lighter and more translucid, but has the same creamy pink color. I noticed that some sedimentation is still floating around.

So now im searching for some light about how to proceed before further reducing this magic to 2 cups.

I have read about 24gr of gelatin used for 50g of root. I used way less then that since i dont want to change the brew so much, I would drink it just plain brew, but my partner has a very sensitive stomach, and i want her to have a nice experience.

so, is this small quantity enough, or is that why all the gunk is still not precipitated in the bottom?

does heat/cold help in the process?

and is the white coloration gelatin contamination? how to completely remove it?

from my studies i know that many afro-brasiian religions that use Jurema, that they add some spices in the preparation. But they prepare Jurema as a wine with only cold soaks. Is it viable to use some tchai spices for this kind of brew? (like cinnamon, anise, clove and ginger)

And the final question:
Sirian Rue HCL salts, or 25:1 Red Caapi Resin? how much to have a good powerfull experience?

thank you!

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

so, because of the low quantity of gelatin, it only took longer for everything to settle.
after 2nd night in the fridge, all that blob was on the bottom, and the floaters on the walls of the cup. it was filtered and reduced to 150 ml with a piece of ginger and a star of anise. it gained a dark color like coffee.
the brew was left to cool down, and then i added the cold soak. i now have around 230 ml of a sweet smeling magic. tonight im going to test this with 250 mg of sirian rue harmalas.

 

[InLaKesh]

Do you want to consume the whole brew (from 50g MHRB) WITH 250 mg harmalas ?
IMO thats way too much.
IIRC the cold soak method is for oral use WITHOUT harmalas-
Be safe

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

no just half of the brew, im going to share itwith my partner.

 

[endlessness]

Im not sure I understand what youre doing there...

Usually cold water brew is just that... cold.. If you reduce it using heat, you are destroying the yuremamine which I guess is the point of doing a cold brew.

Also mixing the other hot brew with the ' cold' brew, that kinda complicates the dosing further...

Personally I have no experience with cold mimosa brew, but for normal mimosa brew I' d recommend starting with 3-5g max at first.

I dont see a problem adding spices to the brew but it will probably taste horrible one way or another, lol

As for harmala source, I'd use the extracted harmalas redissolved in some acidic juice, or make a caapi brew yourself. God knows what the ' caapi resin' potency really is. I dont trust these numbers people give, but maybe the proportion is accurate, who knows. Unless you want to first try out the caapi resin by itself first... Take the equivalent of 40g (so divide that by 25 I guess, but less than 2g), and see how that feels. What you want is to be able to feel something, a certain altered headspace, maybe some light tracers, maybe a bit of light sensitivity, kinda dreamy state, but nothing overwhelming. If you can barely walk, thats probably too much. Once you find that dosage, next time take the same dosage but with the mimosa on top.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

 

[pinkoyd]

I'd cut the dose way down even from that. In fact I'd start at only 3 gr mimosa each and work up from there as necessary. Also I'd test drive it myself to get an idea of the dose before giving it to an unsuspecting (and possibly naive?) partner.

250 gr on the caapi is too much as well. Probably best to shoot in the 30 to 50 gr range to start off with.

What it sounds like you are proposing would IME be completely overwhelming and lead straight into some very rough waters.

Best to start low and work your way up than start off straight away with a disaster.

Edit to say: Oops, I see endless got in here ahead of me. Just goes to show what happens when you get distracted by dinner...

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

Hi guys! thanks for the inputs!

Me and my partner took the magic yesterday, with 200 mg of sirian rue harmalas each.

Endless:
the idea of mixing the cold soak with the brew was to try to get a tea with all the alkaloids, but with a bigger concentration, since only the cold soak normaly is kinda weak.


So, a quick resumee of the experience:

T 0:00 - we took harmalas
T 0:05 - i remember that it should be more effective with acid, so i grab 2 tangerines and we eat. we start chanting.
T 0:25 - the Rue is very present allready, so we took the tea, put a nice medicine music selection and lay down. (the try to not remove all tanins worked perfectly, still got that horrible texture in my mouth. I just didnt puke at that moment because of the ginger/anise after taste!)
T 0:50 - firs stronger triptamine sensation that lasted for 2 more hours. some minor closed eyes visuals of sacred geometry, humming birds, some human shapes that i could not recognize...
the general sensation was of taking a cup of a not so strong ayahuasca, with a pinch of changa (because of the Rue).
T 1:30 - Partner falls asleep.
T 2:00 - Music ends, im too lazy, fell asleep also.
T 3:00 - we both wake up, she purges, and i have the longest diarreia ever! it felt that my intestines were cleansed from all bad stuff ive eaten the last year!
T 3:30 - we go outside, smoke some Mj, the sky looks amazing. the last triptamine sensations wear off.
the harmala after glow lasts until i fall asleep. today we woke up very light, more centered and feeling more clean.

So in general, the experience was much weaker as i was expecting. but still with a positive outcome!

 

[Spiritofspice]

If you add finning agents to strip tannins without making the brew acidic you will loose potency.
As far as I know DMT is present as a tannin salt naturally so if you fine it egg white or gelatin without altering the PH then the finning agents will take the DMT as well.
I think this theory is accurate and would explain people's miss fires when using egg as a method of tannin removal.

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

so after a lot of experimentation on this, friend gave me interesting news:

the most eficient way of removing tanning, is also the easiest one.

when the brew is at the desired volume, just add sodium bicarbonate, until the brew reaches PH 7. tannins cant stand ph 7, and will precipitate from the brew. then just filter, save the liquid, discard the solids.

this definitly is of some help, the brew passes from radioctive poison taste, to a horrible, but bearable taste.

 

[venom]

I allways wonder why people dont drink the jurema powder.
Its true, the tannines might be a little rough, but you have much much more potent drink like this.
I only did it 1 time, and my stomach ( and i have a quite weak stomach ) was ok for most of the time, when i drink ayahuasca, i really get nauseous and can really feel bad whole the night because of this. Not being able to enjoy the trip. I only did jurema once at 7gr and it was too much, thats why i am hesitant to do it again, i also vomitted once, but felt fine after that.
I am also used to drink kratom on a daily basis ( social anxiety relief ) and i feel like its kind of drinking the same thing ( powdery stuff that doesnt dissolve well in milk or juice ) so its not a big problem to swallow it for me. Only downside is the gore taste of mimosa, it really tastes worse than its pungent smell
But kratom isnt exactly something well-tasting either and this ayahuasca cups are even harder for me to drink than this jurema milkshake

 

[Jees]

...So in general, the experience was much weaker as i was expecting...

Bowing for the God of Failed Brews. :?

I really quiver of ideas like 25gr on maoi, b/c it has nothing to do anymore with a deep experience, think hardcore torture.

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

ok, since you all are so impressed with the 25g question, i have to tell, it was to finish a batch of an old bark, in wich my friend coulndt extract more then 1g (jimjam) from 400g bark. this gives a total of 0,25% alks content, and even less if you just want the spice. so make the math yourselves, and you will see that i was going on the low end.... and it was even to low.

nowadyas my caboclo has a very potent mel form of jurema, after some maoi, 2 spoons are enough to blast off!

Jees, so many "failed brews", or if you prefer, so many successful weak brews made from shitty bark, gave the mad scientist flexibility enough to prepare almost any medicine, in almost any form, so yes, you can continue bowing 8)

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

I allways wonder why people dont drink the jurema powder.
Its true, the tannines might be a little rough, but you have much much more potent drink like this.
I only did it 1 time, and my stomach ( and i have a quite weak stomach ) was ok for most of the time, when i drink ayahuasca, i really get nauseous and can really feel bad whole the night because of this. Not being able to enjoy the trip. I only did jurema once at 7gr and it was too much, thats why i am hesitant to do it again, i also vomitted once, but felt fine after that.
I am also used to drink kratom on a daily basis ( social anxiety relief ) and i feel like its kind of drinking the same thing ( powdery stuff that doesnt dissolve well in milk or juice ) so its not a big problem to swallow it for me. Only downside is the gore taste of mimosa, it really tastes worse than its pungent smell
But kratom isnt exactly something well-tasting either and this ayahuasca cups are even harder for me to drink than this jurema milkshake

yes my friend, the gore taste of jurema is exatly the question. the tanins make it so f*king adstrigent, that makes you feel like there is a fractal of radioative poison expanding in your mouth. i can drink a whole cup of aya in its concentrated form, and no problem at all, i eveen got used to the taste. but man, im pretty sure i cant get used to the taste of jurema.

the caboclo did a normal acid brew from 250g, (with vitamin c tabs), reduced it all about 1 liter, filteed well, removed tanins with gelatin first, let all the gunk stuck in the bottom of recipient for 3 days, used sodium bicarbonate until it reached ph7, removed all the gunk from the bottom after 24 hours, added a bit more vitamin c, and reduced to about 250 ml (if you reduce further it will inevitably turn to a resin.)

this makes the quantity you need to take quite low (5ml) in a form that you can swallow fast, with reduced adstrigent taste. i can easily drink it, and be perfectly fine after a sip of water and a small piece of apple.