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KG batches. Advice requested.

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so as to procure a lifetime supply and not put swim in danger doing multiple extractions. He has previous experience from years back having done several A/B extractions with both mimosa as well as san pedro.


Just looking for some IDEARS regarding larger batches. Swim has got a couple of 5 gal carboys and is going to procure some 5 gal hdpe buckets.

Rootbark is ordered prepowdered, no need to spend all day grinding etc.


Any insight would be most helpful.

Swim plans on using heat for the initial 1K pull- acidified soak (pH2-3ish), defat with naphta- siphon off the top

then basify to ~14 and follow STB tek.

He has some DCM hed like to use to extract with, but worries it may be too much of a pain to pull from the bottom- if he doesnt use DCM, he'll use toluene... looking for junglespice :)

No freeze precip... if he uses toluene, he'll use fasa tek to salt out the alkaloids. Perhaps he may do the same if he uses DCM provided it appears DCM is a suitable solvent (he has been instructed how to do this)



SO... he imagines each 5 gallon jug/carboy is proper size to process 500g rootbark. Is this a safe estimation considering the fact that he is going to be using STB tek? So for each kg of bark to process, he will use 2 5 gallon jugs.


Any handy pointers will be MUCH appreciated.

Once again, swim has no intrest in jail or anything of this nature, this is why he would prefer to get all his cooking done and out of the way....
 
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if you're following noman's stb tek, 5gal is more than enough for 500g. 1gallon can do (just barely) 230g.

I'm not sure about the rest of your questions, so I'll let someone more experienced answer them.

quick edit: if this gets this done, take careful notes and post up exactly what was done! I'm sure others will love to have some reference incase they decide to follow in your footsteps!
 
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a big hdpe cooler with a drain spout would be good for the dcm pulls. just let it out through the spout collect till you get a little base then you should be able to handle it with a sep. funnel. just pull all the base off the top with a baster and put in a sep funnel. let out any dcm you may have grabbed.
 
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yes, so the dream is shaping up....

entheogenist's jungle tek, which seems to provide the best of both worlds (A/B AND STB) can be carried out in a 1 gallon jug.... can be safely scaled up X2 with room to spare in each 5 gallon pail. One pail per kg of rootbark.

Provided toluene is used as the NP, there would be no worries regarding extracting the bottom layer. The toluene layer could be siphoned off, and a 500ml sep funnel can be employed when and if the layers are accidentally mixed.

From there, the desired alkaloids can be salted out via the FASA tek and the toluene washed a few times and reused for further pulls, conserving solvent- smell- and the environment. Plus- the need for defatting would be eliminated.

There is no reason why a couple of these could not be performed side by side. Though the only problem is in the initial acid soak (if one doesnt have the gumption to buy a bunch of crockpots or utilize a stove to heat multiple vessels). Perhaps a single run through could be performed on 500g per the tek, to the letter (using crockpot to heat acidified mixture), while the rest of the powder goes a slow, couple days to week long room temp soak. This would provide swim with some semi-instant gratification as well as a quick little practice run.

Of course utilizing the FASA tek to salt things out means added steps of drying acetone and all that, as well as whatever is needed to freebase the salts, but it would ensure good storage and minimal work to freebase small quantities as needed.
 
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rather than put lids on the 5 gallon pails and invert them, swims thinking perhaps a stainless steel cooking utensil could be used to gently stir.



another question: when utilizing the FASA tek, is it nessisary to wash the starting material (freebased alkaloids in NP solvent) with slightly basic DH2O as done in a normal A/B extraction? Or will the anhydrous acetone wash (or two) of the salted alkaloids be enough for the same purpose?
 
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