Late Bloomer

[CloudyDays]

Greetings,

I never tried any psychedelics until my 60s. Both my wife and I believed all the stories about the dangers and stayed far away. But as the healing potential became more and more evident, we decided to begin working with a guide and try healing our childhood traumas. That was a couple of years ago.

Since then we have both grown dramatically and our marriage has deepened. I am now very interested in exploring the deep recesses of my mind. I have tried various ways of vaporizing DMT, but haven't had much success. I am very interested in the e-mesh approach and experimented with it, but can't seen to get a vapor that doesn't choke me. I am looking forward to learning from this community, and contributing what I can.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Hello and welcome!

It's almost a relief to find new members joining up who are older than me :lol: It's wonderful to hear how you and your wife have benefitted from guided psychedelic use already. Have you delved into any of the classics of psychedelic literature yet? There are some gems of wisdom to be gleaned therefrom, not least regarding some of the pitfalls of psychedelic exploration. Robert Anton Wilson's concept of 'Chapel Perilous' particularly springs to mind.

Regarding e-mesh vaping, Nexus member starway7 has worked on various refinements of that method. If your results have been anything other than smooth, you've been running things too hot and burning the DMT. Starway7's development was to insert a pad of steel mesh into the outlet tube of the atomizer head so that the hot air from the e-mesh can vapeorize the dose via convection as opposed to the thermal conduction of the direct e-mesh method.

What method/device have you been using?

Here's what starway7 has been doing with a Plenty vaporiser: performance dial and healthier vaping ..S/B plenty vape improvment...! - Other - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
and with e-mesh tinkering: True E mesh convection !. and ceramic health stone .. - Other - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[CloudyDays]

Thanks for the welcome, downwardsfromzero and the tips. Ironically it was starway7's post that inspired me to join DMT Nexus. I was reading their post and was quite inspired, but couldn't see the pictures. I have wondered if I was burning the material. I am using temperature control (204C), but the dang thing heats up so fast I am sure it overshoots the mark.

I am using a Geek Vape Aegis Mini with a Wotofo Profile 1.5. I cut a strip of 150 mesh SS304 and put the spice on that. (I mostly followed a YouTube by Minty. The attached photo shows the mesh.

I have also wondered if there may be some contaminant in my material. I didn't extract it myself (haven't tried that yet) and can't be 100% sure of the quality. I am thinking about getting some naphtha and dissolving and precipitating it, but am a bit nervous about it.

 

[CloudyDays]

Adding photo

 

[fink]

Hello CloudyDays. Looks like some residue on the mesh there? Not a good sign. A clean and un-burnt method will leave the mesh completely clean most of the time.

Definitely get some light naphtha and re-crystalise your spice if you have any doubts. It is scary at first, dumping precious material into a solvent that appears to make it vanish. Trust the method, it will come back to you cleaner than before.

Try to use as little as possible to increase the saturation of the solvent to ensure everything crashes straight back out in the freezer. An egg cup full of hot naphtha can disolve ~800mg in my experience.


Also, as a method of smoking, I cannot reccomend enhanced leaf enough. So much more user friendly. It is as simple as dissolving you spice in isopropyl alcohol and then letting it evaporate with your herbs in.

 

[CloudyDays]

Yes, there is a good amount of residue on the mesh. I wasn't sure if that was from overheating the spice or contaminants. It sounds like contaminants is more likely. Thanks for the encouragement on recrystallizing. I am nervous about it. I tried to find some naphtha at the hardware store, but they don't carry it. Probably need to go online.

Down the road I'd like to try the leaf method, but I really want to get some headway on the e mesh first.

 

[fink]

I'm not sure it is contaminants, just as likely to be residue from burning. But either option needs improvement of technique

 

[downwardsfromzero]

The next step is perhaps - besides the re-x (recrystallisation) - to try adding a mesh insert to the outlet tube of your wotofo profile (as per whichever of starway's threads it was) and going for the convection route. That may turn out to be more forgiving in terms of flavour, and more efficient dosewise - so START LOW! No more than 15mgs would by my suggestion, and only reload the mesh when you're sure everything has been cleared from it.

 

[Toshido]

Welcome! I have only tried the sandwich method of smoking freebase dmt.

BUT Mindy's video is also what got me interested in the eMesh, and I'm happy to say my Aegis Solo and Wotofo 1.5 have finally arrive din the mail, although I won't be able to test it yet.

As for recrystallization, I would recommend Heptane as it will get rid of more impurities. I'm sending you a link to where I got mine online, as it's frowned upon to name the brand on the forums here in case it stops selling online.

Check your inbox for the link.

I look forward to following your progress, as I too am about to experiment with vaping, and it's cool that we have the same RDA. Can't find those darn Vandy Vapes anywhere!!!

P.S. One of my favorite books on psychedelics is Food of the Gods by Terence McKenna. Def check that out. More about mushrooms, but dives into other entheogenic plants, lore, and philosophy. Much of what I know about psychedelics today I learned from that man. I started experimenting with mushrooms and lsd when I was 18, and I took a very long break. In my late thirties, I finally tried DMT and am very excited about messing around with ayahuasca, pharmahuasca, and potentially mescaline down the road.

Good luck!

 

[CloudyDays]

Thanks for the heptane suggestions, widderic. I just ordered some. Should be here on Friday.

Once I do the recrystallization, I will try starway7's convection method. I really appreciate all the suggestions. Without this forum, I would be bumbling around in the dark.

 

[Pandora]

CloudyDays,

Welcome fellow older member. I am in my mid 50's and my husband (NemoAmicus) is in his 70's. There are others here with varying degrees of activity who are Generation X to Baby Boomers, though most are younger males.

I was delighted to read about the healing that you and your wife brought to your marriage with the entheogens. I have personally found it amazing the power of these molecules to catalyze real and lasting change unlike almost anything else, in particular with solid and set intentions.

I don't have the expertise of some of the other posters but I do have a LOT of DMT use experience. You always know you are burning it by the smell. It smells like the cheapest backyard lawn furniture has been set alight. Somewhere between the most godawful burning plastic and the grossest burning old gym shoes smell. Unmistakeable and room filling.

Personally, I tried a LOT of different methods back in the day but finally settled on the Glass Vapor Genie. I had to save up but it was one of the BEST purchases I made somewhere in the 2010 to 2012 era.

I had so many perfect hits and under 50 mg deep breakthroughs and even one hit breakthroughs on that good ole GVG. I cannot recommend it enough.

Again, a very warm welcome to you fellow traveler.

-Pandora

 

[CloudyDays]

Thanks, Pandora, I really appreciate the welcome. It is good to know there are some older folks here. I do enjoy the young energy of the forum, but the hard won wisdom of elders is also important.

I’ve noticed many people really like the GVG and get good results with it. For now I am going to stick with the e-mesh as I have already invested in that path. But if it flames out, I will look into the GVG.

 

[Pandora]

CloudyDays,

That makes sense and it was just a suggestion sharing my personal experience. That device looks fascinating and I do hope you will continue to share your experiences as you go along. I also sincerely hope you will find the results you are searching for.

I am curious, has your wife also tried DMT?

Also if you haven't considered it yet you and your wife might want to look into oral dosing, like maybe conducting an ayahuasca ceremony at home.

-Pandora

 

[CloudyDays]

My wife is curious about DMT but is watching from the sidelines as I brave the trail. Neither one of us has smoked anything before and we seem to have sensitive throats. Once I get something working, I think she will want to try it too.

We did two ayahuasca group ceremonies last year. They weren’t in South America but were conducted by someone who trained down there. They were intense for both of us and meaningful, and difficult. By the end, I found the brew absolutely nauseating and don’t think I can drink it for a while. Every month or two we do a couple’s journey together with MDMA, 2C-B or mushrooms. Those have been our medicines of choice so far. The MDMA in particular has been wonderful for our relationship.

Do you and your hubby take any journeys together?

 

[Pandora]

My wife is curious about DMT but is watching from the sidelines as I brave the trail. Neither one of us has smoked anything before and we seem to have sensitive throats. Once I get something working, I think she will want to try it too.

We did two ayahuasca group ceremonies last year. They weren’t in South America but were conducted by someone who trained down there. They were intense for both of us and meaningful, and difficult. By the end, I found the brew absolutely nauseating and don’t think I can drink it for a while. Every month or two we do a couple’s journey together with MDMA, 2C-B or mushrooms. Those have been our medicines of choice so far. The MDMA in particular has been wonderful for our relationship.

Do you and your hubby take any journeys together?

CloudyDays,

You and your wife sound absolutely amazing. Yes I too always had trouble with the taste of ayahuasca and sometimes I'd take a shortcut by doing pharmahuasca (freebase DMT and a reliable MAOI, such as syrian rue) in capsules. I remember some rough rides that were very purgative and cleansing but also involved amazing visions of things rearing up out of the purge vessel.

My husband and I used to journey together frequently when we were 1st dating back in the late 80s and early 99s and going to a lot of Grateful Dead concerts.

Then we set it down and I picked it up again in my mid 40's pretty much in response to a midlife crisis. He had not done spice in decades and I had never done it before my 40's so once I completed a successful and clean extraction he was very curious and for a short period, perhaps about 6 months that brought him back into the scene. He even made a few posts in the forum under the user name NemoAmicus.

But these days he's completely retired from these sorts of activities and dealing with some rather serious health concerns.

-Pandora

 

[CloudyDays]

I am sorry about your hubby’s health. That is one thing about getting older that is no fun. I hope things get better.

It sounds like you had a very proactive response to your midlife crisis. Extracting spice seems like a big thing to me. I know people say it is not that hard, but it seems amazing to me. Perhaps because I haven’t done it.

This weekend I am participating in a 5meo ceremony, so I am putting my DMT experiments on hold until after that. I have only done 5meo once before and it was a wonderful experience, but I am quite nervous about this time. I have a feeling this will be a big one. Perhaps I am ready for another layer to get cracked open.

 

[fractals4life]

Hi, fellow older (57) DMT traveller here too

I just popped on to say that I notice a stray wisp of wire sticking out along the right hand long edge of the mesh on your photo above. If that is contacting the metal case of the RDA during operation then it could be making the temperature control go haywire and burning your DMT. So best to snip it off. I have found e-meh very effective myself, though I've only ventured into the 15mg or so realm so far (groovy visuals, wonderment, relaxation and joy ).

Also, do have a go at extraction, it's as easy as cooking... more on the "omelette" skill level than "souffle level"! Just respect the corrosive nature of lye and the flammability of naptha, check the integrity of your mixing vessels and don't go splashing it about.


Once you've made your own then making e-juice for a much more progressive and outdoors friendly dosing method is as simple as dissolving your crystals in vape juice. It's probably a bit harder to go full on hyperspace with e-juice though (not that I've tried yet).

Happy journeys!

Frac4

 

[fractals4life]

e-meh

oops! I accidentally coined a term for inefficient vaping

 

[Pandora]

I am sorry about your hubby’s health. That is one thing about getting older that is no fun. I hope things get better.

It sounds like you had a very proactive response to your midlife crisis. Extracting spice seems like a big thing to me. I know people say it is not that hard, but it seems amazing to me. Perhaps because I haven’t done it.

This weekend I am participating in a 5meo ceremony, so I am putting my DMT experiments on hold until after that. I have only done 5meo once before and it was a wonderful experience, but I am quite nervous about this time. I have a feeling this will be a big one. Perhaps I am ready for another layer to get cracked open.

CloudyDays,

Echoing what fractals4life said: I would encourage you to attempt extraction. The TEKs here are very thorough. Noman's TEK is not exactly food safe because it does involve lye and naptha but it is very very easy and produces ideal results in 2 to 3 days at the most in my experience.

Needless to say extracting one's own tells one what it is, what was done to it and when, etc. No need for fentanyl test strips and no worries about product trying to contaminate the trip.

I hope you have a fantastic weekend 5-meo ceremony and would love to read about it. I found 5-meo to be uniquely fascinating.

-Pandora

 

[DMT Lexus]

In your age oral way is preferable. Oral DMT + harmalas, shrooms (Cubensis are too rough and dissociative with some unpleasant side effects, hence I'd recommend to grow Panaeolus cambodginiensis - they're more mild and soft but still very deep and potent if take more than 10 grams fresh or more 0.7g dry, I recommend to try 0.5g dry or 5-7 g fresh first).
Have Dimexid (DMSO) near hand in case of stroke. It helps to avoid bad consequences if it happens. Read in advance how to take it to cure stroke.
There are some evidence about strokes after DMT smoking in older people ( Hemorrhagic brain stroke while smoking DMT - healh and safety issues - Health & Safety - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus ).
More likely it is because of fear (do not fear anything in trip!) and higher blood pressure after DMT smoking, because DMT increases the blood pressure.
So, just keep in mind that you don't afraid of anything and take trip as it is. And I recommend to try smaller dosages and integrate as much as possible. Take B vitamins, vitamin C, Omega3 fish oil regularly to improve your body health and be more resistant.
Just my two cents about it but I hope it will help you to stay safe and satisfied.
Take care.