Legal risks

[amrilir]

Greetings, all.

Being the paranoid type that I am, I searched the web for mentions of DMT-related arrests that occurred recently and, sadly, was able to find quite a few. It seems, however, that in all of those instances, the unfortunate victims of the "war on certain drugs" neglected some basic safety principles, such as not ordering lye online, and most were caught dealing other substances (namely mushrooms). Which brings me to my question. What are the odds that one would get a friendly (or otherwise) visit from the authorities related to dmt extraction (or suspected methamphetamine production) if they followed the obvious precautions and only purchased their chemicals in limited quantities at the local hardware store (paying in cash, of course). In particular, how dangerous is it to buy MHRB online and just how suspicious are lye/naphtha purchases to the cashier at a local Ace or Home Depot?

I apologize if my phrasing is awkward and my questions trivial and redundant.

 

[ismokecrystals]

Dont buy the lye and naptha together, that's a dead giveaway.

ALso, MHRB as other uses such as a dye or as incense. Order from a trusted seller and you will be fine

I don't believe anyone here has gotten arrested for DMT and some of us *COUGH* antrocles *COUGH* use it every day. That guy must order the stuff by the 10 kilo.

 

[Ayawasqero]

I don't believe anyone here has gotten arrested for DMT and some of us *COUGH* antrocles *COUGH* use it every day. That guy must order the stuff by the 10 kilo.

:lol:

 

[Jorkest]

ant is also very sensitive to the stuff..and has been drinking caapi tea...so im sure he doesnt go through THAT much..you would be surprised how much dmt you can get from 400g...more than i know what to do with..ill tell you what!

 

[burnt]

As far as I remember everyone who was busted was selling drugs. Lesson? DONT SELL DRUGS!

 

[gammagore]

No need to stress when you get supplies that are not watched chems.

 

[amrilir]

Thanks, everyone.

I don't believe anyone here has gotten arrested for DMT

Well, that in itself is reassuring.

As far as I remember everyone who was busted was selling drugs. Lesson? DONT SELL DRUGS!

That goes without saying. But I do believe I've seen one bit on the news about some kid, who was evidently doing very small-scale extractions (the journalist or someone may have commented that he only had several "doses" on him). He must have been imprudent when acquiring supplies or had a big mouth. Nonetheless, its alarming. The language used in these news stories is particularly disgusting. Confusing extraction and synthesis, using the word "laboratory" to refer to, well, a kitchen, "dangerous and explosive chemicals", making spice sound like meth. What a strange world we live in...

 

[Crystalito]

It seems, however, that in all of those instances, the unfortunate victims of the "war on certain drugs" neglected some basic safety principles, such as not ordering lye online, and most were caught dealing other substances (namely mushrooms).

Bold are mine...Well, which are those "basic safety principles" -apart from the ones you mentioned-? Are the indeed so basic?

Apart from those ,i have some more principles to offer to anyone who is interested, in a slightly twisted cynic way. View it as taking advantage of social mechanics or social hacking if you will:

1)Dont give off yourself! Everyone in them has a little snitch tipping of other people at the most uncomfortable/uneeded moments : Suspicion.Suspicon smells from miles away, its this big red sign above your head flashing in neon "Stop me! Search me! Be wary of me!". If you FEEL suspicious or "doing something nauuuughty" ,chances are you are gonna look suspicious. Rember: They sell it, no need to feel bad buying it hence no need to act iffy,they have legitimate uses even if you are buying the caustic soda to melt helpless puppies in it.

2)(Coming from a person from a conservative part of the world but its a good tip) : Dont stand out,for the time doing the purchase conform to societal norms. That means that propably going in the shop tattooed from head to toes with 700 piercings on you and the most "defying" haircut ever, is propably not the definition of "not drawing attention" or "not challenging the social views". Hide those tatoos, part with those piercings for a bit Be clean cut,be well spoken, they reaaaaallllyyyy want to believe in you ,give em a chance will ya?

3)Who needs 13 bottles of HCl/muriatic acid? And who needs all together in one buy lye,naphta,turkey baster? Why dont you go over at the counter and ask where they stock the book "Makn meth iz eazy,mon!"? Buy clever. Act sensibly in what you buy and how much you buy and how often you buy. If you buy 10 packets of lye within a week ,the clerk will think that your drains are waaaay blocked so he/she might as well send over to your place someone with a...big tool to help you unblocking them.We all know how that ends,its been documented on adult films way too many times.

4)Know your stuff: Know of uses of what you bought, have a question or two ready partaining to a hobby (for example if shopping from an art shop) showing that you are genuinly interested in it and try also to buy something else if applicable that aludes to the use you are buying the other things for.

5)Dont go buying or extracting while "high". Should be self-explanatory really, but have your wits with you and try looking within the ...ehmm...perceived normal distributuion of the population (reffer to 2).It helps if your smell doesnt give flashbacks to the 50-something clerk of Woodstock or of that time he walked on this "deserted" island's cannabis field . If you CANT go without being high, or if you are ALWAYS high and you are an inch away from connecting yourself 24/7 to a smoking/drinking/drugeating apparatus of some sort so it can dose you even when you are asleep ,then getting caught should be the least of your worries.

6)Try not to break the law .It isnt clever speeding or drunkdriving in general ,let alone if you are carrying something that could be suspicious.Dont give anyone any excuse to legaly harass you,which includes not to be involved in drug pedling which in itself lets other know what you are doing. It isnt clever stealing your supplies either Above all ,no ,dont ask the clerk if the naptha you bought is ok for DMT extraction: chances are he/she is going to suggest a more expensive brand as more efficient

7) Accidents start happening when you become laxed on "basic safety principles" due to being very familiar with the procedures, familiar enough to start disregarding them.

My 2 cents

 

[Phlux-]

this thread has got me questioning how public peoples lives are.
how can anyone know your motives if ur carefull ?

 

[jamie]

It always seems to be drug dealers that are always the centre of these stories..
Dont sell drugs..and dont give spice to strange people that will freak out and rat on you etc..

Dont buy lye and naptha together like said above..better yet dont buy lye or naptha online..limo is a different story not as heaty...and dont go and buy all the stuff you need from one single store, and dont be going buying supplies from them over and over and over all the time..

If you really plan on working with spice for a long time dont take stupid risks..dont do things that make you stick out as someoone of interest..alot of people get caught becasause they are doing other things..like extracting DMT in the middle of a grow op etc..not a good idea.

 

[Crystalito]

this thread has got me questioning how public peoples lives are.
how can anyone know your motives if ur carefull ?

You'd be amazed at how many people's brain are ovepayed with that 20% of body's glucose consumption , compared to their poor performance on vigilance,smartness,"thinking before you act".

The best advice ever at those matters? Make sure your brain is worth the big fat glucose salary you are giving it Make your brain work for it, dont let it slack!

 

[elphologist1]

I've also heard that is is not a good idea to tell anyone you know (in real life) that you know how to make drugs (extract DMT, grow mushrooms, etc.). It may seem innocent enough to tell a friend, but he will tell his wife (for example) and then later they get divorced and she is trying to make a case that her husband should not get any time with the kids because he hangs out with shady characters who make drugs and stuff....

I know of people who grow mushrooms and share with friends but will tell their friends they got them from "their dealer" just to be safe.

elphologist

 

[cafebrulot]

I've also heard that is is not a good idea to tell anyone you know (in real life) that you know how to make drugs (extract DMT, grow mushrooms, etc.). It may seem innocent enough to tell a friend, but he will tell his wife (for example) and then later they get divorced and she is trying to make a case that her husband should not get any time with the kids because he hangs out with shady characters who make drugs and stuff....

I know of people who grow mushrooms and share with friends but will tell their friends they got them from "their dealer" just to be safe.

thank you for this. this really got SWIM thinking, as she's been contemplating sharing the gateway to hyperspace with a few select, like minded confidants. she's been trying to figure out a way to explain and share, but has been thinking it might just be a bad idea.

 

[lorentz5]

I've also heard that is is not a good idea to tell anyone you know (in real life) that you know how to make drugs (extract DMT, grow mushrooms, etc.). It may seem innocent enough to tell a friend, but he will tell his wife (for example) and then later they get divorced and she is trying to make a case that her husband should not get any time with the kids because he hangs out with shady characters who make drugs and stuff.... I know of people who grow mushrooms and share with friends but will tell their friends they got them from "their dealer" just to be safe.

YES! I agree with this 1000% and it can't be stressed enough. It can be very exciting, VERY EXCITING, especially the first time you do it/extract it, but just talk about it here, or to your dog - because for a lot of people, dmt = drug = bad. You might as well be talking about methamphetamine; they don't know the difference. Telling the wrong friends about it brings unnecessary stress and paranoia to your life so be doubly careful with whom you share your knowledge.

Dont sell drugs..and dont give spice to strange people that will freak out and rat on you etc..

Don't give spice to strange people PERIOD.

 

[00]

I recommend stealing your supplies if you can. Then you wont attract any suspicions. Good luck!

 

[lorentz5]

I recommend stealing your supplies if you can. Then you wont attract any suspicions. Good luck!

Um no. Imagine getting caught stealing naphtha or lye from a hardware store. Not a good idea. Unless SWIY's still in high school, you don't want to be stealing equipment. I don't think it's in the spirit of this site to recommend to steal. If you're breaking the law by extracting, you don't need to break more laws by stealing. Besides, there's nothing terribly expensive that any beginner needs to start out. Balances are cheap, solvents are cheap, and there isn't a single tek where you need to spend a fortune on lab glass.

 

[1664]

Why not steal whilst pissed so you have the balls to do it, don't forget to threaten the store keeper with a weapon if questioned. Then drive home really fast to get cracking asap. When you are done, tell your friends and neighbours about your adventure.

 

[hedcase]

I recommend stealing your supplies if you can. Then you wont attract any suspicions. Good luck!

I recommend not taking YOUR advise!!

 

[d*l*b]

I recommend stealing your supplies if you can. Then you wont attract any suspicions. Good luck!

Spice, whilst illegal in most places, is a victimless crime. It is really rather safe unless you are very stupid and stick your neck out like that (touch wood!).

If you are going to do something that’s subtle, but with potentially life-destroying consequences – why would you want to draw attention to yourself by taking someone’s shit, getting arrested and your house searched?

Save thieving for schoolchildren and drug addicts.

 

[MagikVenom]

I recommend stealing your supplies if you can. Then you wont attract any suspicions. Good luck!

Legal Risks you ask that plan will increase them Greatly:lol: If you dont have a place to extract just break in to someones house and do it there..:lol: :lol:.....JUST KIDDING.....:shock:

Thats the worst advice I ever recall seeing on the Nexus. Being arrested for stealing and getting a criminal record as a petty thief for the rest of your life is totally incognito. It will only effect you the rest of your life every time you apply for a job you can explain your petty theft charge when they run the background check on you. Then you wont attract any suspicions. yeah right

Dude I would reconsider that plan if I was you. Good luck.
No body should be stealing from anybody.


Peace
MV