Lets talk chaliponga!

[strong medicine]

I love chaliponga. So I thought we should have a current thread where we can discuss the finer aspects of chaliponga.

How much do you take?
What have you seen and experienced?
What do you like about it?
What don't you like about it?

And so on.

Maybe I should start.
I usually do doses from about 2,5g to 3,5g, biggest dose I ever tried was about 5-6g. I usually do 3 doses for a night. I usually start with 25g vine 1h before.

Last week I only did 2 doses. And a waited for maybe 3h longer than I should have for the second one. Wasn't sure I could handle it to be honest. But then i decided to take it anyway.
I was debating if I should up the dose to maybe 5g, and some vine because i waited so long. In the end I took maybe 5-7g vine, and 3g leaf. BUT I ate 1/3 of an apple just before.
Really happy I didn't take 5g because this started working within a few minutes, I could feel that this was gonna hit hard. very hard.

The visions were different geometric shapes, in "nature colors" but very deep and saturated greens and browns and mustard. It was like there was some big machine all of it.
It got extremely intense, in all possible kinds of ways I can imagine. It felt like a total overdose purely mentally. I was thinking what the fuck is going on.
Everything was so warped and crazy in my mind.

I also go to access the "control panel" to my "organism", but only for a brief period. And i know I couldn't really do much with it. i was incapable of changing things.

I managed to keep the puke down for over half an hour, maybe more. I felt so sick in so many different ways. Puked it all up. It was like magic. Haven't puked that good in years.
Yeah and then i just lay in bed and feel so good. About everything. So fucking good! For maybe 1h. And then It started ramping up again! It just kept going. Up to the point where i puked again from the same dose (which i almost never do). It completely drained me. It lasted for several hours more. Pure magic glow, magic everything. Healed! Purified!

Thats by far the most affected I ever got off 3g leaf. It was completely wild. I felt like i was in a jungle somehow.

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I also have another fun experience from a few years back. It was one of those times when it simply works a lot better/faster/more.
So I was laying in bed listening to music. Had to take a leak before everything starts for real. So i go to the bathroom and have a look in the mirror. What i see in the mirror is all my other faces that "my organism" has in other realities or dimensions. And they are just flashing by and changing very quickly. Maybe 40 per second. And once in a while i see my current face in this reality

So i decided to back to bed. But on my way there i can see some blue electric energy all the things in my apartment is emitting, like a blue glow. And i could feel it too. I could feel the energy.
I look at my hand, its also emitting blue electric energy. I wave it back and forth in front of me to see the energy. I also wondered if I could see the energy of my hand with my eyes closed.
Yes! no problem at all. I can see my hands with my eyes closed. Now i also found out that i can actually see this blue energy from the things in the apartment with my eyes closed.

I simply turned the lights off and closed my eyes. I could navigate the apartment like this. In complete darkness. And that was kinda nice! No need to have my eyes open, I saw the everything anyway.

So i get back in bed and I'm really happy about this revelation, and now its really kicking in. I start to feel weird, like an animal (and this happens sometimes, i start to feel like an animal). I have turned into an animal in a jungle. I know it. I have turned into one of those creatures i saw in the mirror. So i open my eyes and have a look around. I am now purple, dark purple. And my arms have scales, quite big organic rhombus shaped scales, with a little spike, maybe 20mm long scales. I'm some kind of reptile.

While i look at my arms, I'm thinking this is not happening, this is too weird. But when i feel my arms i can actually feel the scales. So its not only visual. And it was here i understood that this would be a kickass experience.

Seeing stuff is cool. Actually becoming weird creatures, thats cool too definitely one of my best experiences.

I love chaliponga. It can get so weird and wonderful.

 

[Nydex]

Hello

Just checking, have you taken a look at the chaliponga-related threads on the forum? They might contain answers to many of the questions you have, so it's worth taking a look if you haven't.

Cheers!

 

[strong medicine]

I have read all of them. I just wanted to start a new current one for discussion.

 

[northape]

How much do you take?

I'd rather not post my doses or people would think I'm crazy. Basically, my physiology changed and what I get out of dmt plants is very unlike what I read from other people. I usually do two doses a night, because one can misfire (low potency or premature purge).

What have you seen and experienced?

Chali cleans all the heavy energies through the purge and you're left in a clean balanced state. Still, you better guide its energy through the singing, yoga, breathwork or a simple meditation practice. Otherwise you won't reach the full potential of this medicine. Chali tends to leave me in an open spacious mind space filled with ease and wellbeing. Honestly, that's all it takes for a natural healing to occur.

What do you like about it?

All of the above. I like how potent material tends to be. Chali is quite straightforward too, at least with rue. Caapi can bring up its wild side and stuff could get sketchy. However it's still dose dependent in the end.

What don't you like about it?

Nothing really. It'd be nice if I could fully digest it, but purging seems part of the deal and how chali cleans you.

 

[strong medicine]

Hehe yes I have read what doses you have used
And its nothing wrong with that, I mean we all need to take a dose that actually works.
For me around 3g is good. Sometimes it works less good, but increasing the dose wouldn't solve that, its just not getting absorbed.

I always purge. I feel its needed. Maybe 3 times I've suppressed it and kept it in, and I felt like shit. Imo it needs to come out, its the whole point with it. Doesn't really matter how much I filter it, if its working well I will purge. If I filter too much it loses potency.

Over the years it all seems to be the same potency, different batches, different retailers, different years, always the same potency, more or less. I much prefer it over chacruna. Chacruna is a nightmare to prepare. I would need at least 70g per dose, or 200g for 1 night. And more boils. Its a lot of boiling and evaporating and filtering for nothing. The effect is simply not worth the effort for me.

Sometimes I make 50g chacruna and simply add it to the chali, not adjusting the dose. That has been successful. Its more colorful and less negative. Chaliponga can get very dark and negative sometimes, its just how it works. Sometimes thats whats needed.

 

[northape]

I always purge. I feel its needed. Maybe 3 times I've suppressed it and kept it in, and I felt like shit. Imo it needs to come out, its the whole point with it. Doesn't really matter how much I filter it, if its working well I will purge. If I filter too much it loses potency.

You want it out of yourself. I always have common sage tea on hand, and if chali starts to digest, extra fluid can push it out. I tried all kinds of filtering too, including an egg white filtration, but it just makes things worse. I just filter through cheesecloth nowadays to remove the leaves, and that's it.

Sometimes I make 50g chacruna and simply add it to the chali, not adjusting the dose. That has been successful. Its more colorful and less negative. Chaliponga can get very dark and negative sometimes, its just how it works. Sometimes thats whats needed.

After years of working with barks (acacia and mimosa), chali is pure light, hehe. It's actually healing my traumas around medicine use that I got from using strong doses of bark brews. Chali's darkness comes mostly from its influence on the digestive tract. It just brings up heavy energy to the surface, so it's nothing to fear. I welcome it now because it shows how much is going to be cleared. Later, after the purge, you feel it gone too. I feel chali is quite undervalued. All my aya brews were made with it, and for me, yagé is a true expression of caapi medicine. Yes, strong chacruna is hard to come by. She works through a different modality closer to common psychedelics. I love my wild organic chali. It connects you to life and spaciousness

 

[strong medicine]

That rainbow there... I once took my chali/chacruna hybrid brew. I was laying with my head towards an open window, and the sun came up shining on my head.

It was like setting off an atomic bomb of rainbow colors in my mind. The color palette was neon rainbow colors and also white/baby blue/pink. It was very impressive. I went down to brush my teeth and everything turned into white/baby blue/pink/purple bubbles. It was awesome One of the best times.

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

You guys are making me want to add to my garden of earthly delights... hope I can find seeds....