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JohnIce2

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Hey everyone. So here recently I (not me cough cough 😉 ) have been indulging in a few Psychedelics such as:
Morning Glory HB 3-6g More than a few times awhile back
Syrian Rue (Alone 6g) Twice. Very nauseating
Yopo a whole lot of times
HWBR here more recently going from 3 to 7 seeds
and Some Yopo/Chali/Syrian Rue extract I have been slowly making progress with over the last few months, testing the results from small evaps here and their.
Oh and Cannabis throughout all of this.

So after all of this over more than a years time (close to 2 years) I feel like my mind has been opened up to the reality of the world. Like, I am disgusted with the way people today live. And the wars we wage upon each-other out of greed and spite. I still go through the motions as I did before using, although now I try to spread my enlightenment in amounts that dont make me sound insane. A good description of what I'm feeling would be kinda like my body is merely a vessile and my consciousness is awake more than it was previously. Death still scares me for I dont want to leave my loved ones in pain, but I am not fully fearful of what comes after (whatever it may be). I feel very very old mentally. Sometimes what I see the world doing to itself depresses me to the point that Its hard to recover from. On a lighter note, when I am not brought down by the terrors of today, I see great promise in the future and am happy with who I am begging to change into (less selfish, more caring/giving, love for all, etc.).

So heres my question for all of you. What change have you seen after using phycs?
Overall besides the depression, I am satisfied with my experiences and what they have left me with. Even after a few bad trips that were traumatizing during, but I laughed it off afterwards (I freaked out a few times, but when I come down I always seem to just remind myself I was on something and it doesn't seem to rock me to my core like some bad trips do to people)
 
Kinda feels like the Matrix. Took somethin (things) and it opens your eyes to whats actually goin on, but after that their no coming back and you feel obligated to fix it somehow or at least help.
 
How are you consuming this yopo?

I tried yopo once, it was prepared from A. peregrina seeds which were toasted, powdered, mixed with Calcium hydroxide, and then some other admixtures were added, one of them was some green powdered plant material which I was unable to identify. The mixture was fairly coarse, but I was told it was made as "smooth" as possible...

About one gram of the powder was loaded in to a 3 foot long tube, I got down on my knees and placed one end of the tube in my nose, then from a standing position, the yopo expert exhaled full force into the tube, rocketing th plant matter into my sinuses...

BAM! It felt as if I had been smashed in the face with a brick, or as if I had put a paintball gun up my nose and pulled the trigger...

My eyes swelled with tears, I was crying, gasping for air, I was drooling, and bleeding from the nose, rolling on the ground in shock and pain...

And this was just the symptoms of having a gram of powder rocketed into my sinuses, which at those speeds may as well be a solid object...

Then the 5-hydroxy-DMT took hold...

It was somewhat difficult to differentiate the physical effects from the 5-ho-DMT, from the physical pain caused by the route of administration, but slowly it became clear...

... my face felt as if waves thousands of hot needles would rolling over it, my chest felt tight to the point where I thought my lungs were collapsing, I was gasping for air, my skin felt tight and hot, and the needle sensation began to travel from my chest and face to the rest of my body...

the mental state is extremely disorienting, dizzy, lightheadedness, a "fuzzy" but nauseating physical and mental ordeal, which leaves one wondering "is this even a psychoactive?" There may be symptoms of lightheadedness, a feeling like your about to pass out, and strange visual distortions, but it's hard to define, specially as psychedelic...

I could understand this method if the DMT content was higher, DMT is in its salt form while in plant matter, which would make it suitable for insufflation, and it probably would be quite effective...and in some Anadenanthera species there is sufficient DMT...but the ROA makes me want to never attempt this again.

However:

They key alkaloid in almost all of these species seeds is 5-hydroxy-DMT (Bufotenine), most either did not contain other tryptamine or contained very little...

Analysis of Anadenanthera species alkaloid content.
Seeds from unidentified or unspecified Anadenanthera species:
(all from Schultes et al. 1977b:
Biocca Cocco, 1963; Upper Orinoco, El Platanal, Machekototeri
Seeds: 0.001% DMT [1 mg/ 100 gm; Sole alkaloid.]
Biocca Cocco, 1965; Upper Orinoco, Rio Ocamo
Seeds: 0.006% DMT [6 mg/ 100 gm; Sole alkaloid.]
Caspar, 1964; Guaporé, Brazil; Tupari.
Seeds: 0.11% 5-MeO-DMT [85% of 13 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm] [0.002% DMT was also present]
G. Seitz, 1965
Seeds: 0.038% DMT [38 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry. Sole alkaloid]
Seedlings: 0.028% DMT [96% of 29 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry; 28 mg of DMT per 100 gm of dry seedlings.]
0.001% 5-MeO-DMT was also present.

2.1% yield of bufotenine from seeds of Anadenanthera colubrina collected in autumn near Rio de Janeiro. Voucher prepared. Pachter et al. 1959

Most accounts have found only bufotenine in the seeds but claims of the presence of DMT and/or 5-MeO-DMT exist.

Anadenanthera colubrina ? var. cebil?

Torres et al. 1991 reported the detection of all three in snuff powder recovered from archaeological sites in Argentina believed to have been derived from A. colubrina seeds. Both A. colubrina and A. colubrina var. cebil occur in Argentina. While it is not clear which Torres and coworkers referred to; the latter is implied. No analysis of seeds or verifiable plant material were reported in Torres et al. 1991. See below.

Anadenanthera colubrina (Lellozo) Brennan var. cebil (Grisebach) Altschul (= Piptadenia macrocarpa)

DMT as the sole alkaloid in pods. Not detected in seeds. Bufotenine, Bufotenine-N-oxide and DMT-N-oxide were present in seeds. Neither was detected in the pods. Fish et al. 1955. Material from both Florida and Brazil were used. Florida material gave weak results.
[It might be noted that this material was deliberately introduced and for many years was the only known occurrence of the species in Florida (the northernmost limit of its cold tolerances). It was destroyed during clearing of land for a building project some years ago.]

[Reported a total alkaloid concentration of ~ 1.5-2.0% in seeds. No indication was given of the actual amount of pure alkaloids. The pods were sometimes weaker but contained only DMT.]

DMT in both seeds and pods. Bufotenine was in seeds and lower in seed pods. Iacobucci & Rúveda 1964 (DMT was either the major alkaloid or only alkaloid in seed-pod (conflicting statements); no amounts given.) Bufotenine-N-oxide was reported in the seeds. 5-Methoxy-N-methyltryptamine was isolated (as oxalate) in 0.1% yield from the dry bark. Argentinean plants used.
Material recently collected in Argentina is said to have yielded only bufotenine from the seeds. [Unpublished work; Field worker requesting anonymity.] See the work of C.M. Torres.


Anadenanthera colubrina var. Cebil seeds
(% are dry wt.) nd indicates not detected.
Source Part DMT Bufotenine 4-OH-MMT
Cerro San
Bernardo Bark traces traces nd
Misión Wichi Seed 0.06% 12.4% 0.57%
Salta #1 Seed nd 4.41% nd
Salta #2 Seed nd 3.51% nd
Salta #2 Pods 0.05% 0.05% nd

No 5-Methoxy compounds, N-oxides or B-carbolines were detected in any samples. All were from Argentina. [Interestingly, the 12.4% seeds were collected from a shaman's garden.])
Salta #2 Seeds were small and poorly developed. Pods were said to be mature.


Anadenanthera colubrina var. Cebil
In northwestern Argentina, Anadenanthera colubrina var. Cebil seeds were smoked by the Abipones of the Cahaco (c. 1784), using combustion within a small structure, and were snuffed by the Lule of the Chaco (circa 1733). The Wichi (Mataco) still use the seeds both ways (seeds are smoked with tobacco). Torres & Repke 1996

An intriguing but still unanswered question comes up once again due to the report of Prosopis seeds being found in association with both Anadenanthera seeds and 2 feline-bone smoking pipes (in which DMT residue was detected) in a much older archeological site in NW Argentina. Torres & Repke 1996. [Pipes were dated to 2130 B.C. The archaeological evidence suggests that smoking preceded snuffing and was gradually replaced by it. (Page 314 in Torres 1996 citing Fernandez Distel 1980)] Other pipes were found with alkaloidal residue but were unaccompanied by plant material.


Anadenanthera excelsa Grisebach [Argentina]
DMT in seedpods (sole alkaloid present) Iacobucci and Rúveda 1964
Bufotenine and Bufotenine-N-oxide were in seeds. Lower concentration than P. macrocarpa. Iacobucci & Rúveda 1964

Anadenanthera falcata (as Piptadenia falcata)

Bufotenine was the major alkaloid in seeds. Giesbrecht 1960.

Snuff: "Yopo"
Believed to have originated from A. peregrina seeds; showed only bufotenine- 160 mg from 6 gm of snuff (2.67%). De Budowski et al. 1974. Another Yopo sample showed only 5-MeO-DMT and was thought to be derived from a Virola species instead.

Snuff: "Epena"
DMT, DMT-N-oxide, Bufotenine and Bufotenine-N-oxide reported in Yanomama snuff prepared from Piptadenia peregrina.
Marini-Bettòlo et al. 1964)


Anadenanthera peregrina
Seeds: southern Venezuela: 7.5% bufotenine
Schultes et al. 1977b citing Chagnon et al. 1970 and Chagnon et al. 1971

R.Spruce #119; Rio Negro, Brazil, collected in 1854 1977 analysis): 0.6% Bufotenine [614 mg/ 100 gm dry; Sole alkaloid.]

Schultes et al. 1977b.
western Brazil in the Rio Branco region during 1953: 5-MeO-DMT and DMT.
Holmstedt & Lindgren 1967.
Brazil: 1.1% Bufotenine in seeds.
Alvarez Periera 1957.
Haiti: Bufotenine was the major alkaloid in seeds.
Paris et al. 1967.
Abbott Lab., 1948; San Juan, Puerto Rico: 0.009% DMT [9 mg of DMT/ 100 gm; Sole alkaloid.]
Schultes et al. 1977b.
Puerto Rico during 1948: DMT and Bufotenine.
Holmstedt & Lindgren 1967
R.E. Schultes, S. von R. Altschul et B. Holmstedt, sin. num.; La Carolina, Barrio St. Just, near San Juan, Puerto Rico, December 1974. Same colony as Schultes 26363.

Mature seeds collected in March 1975; hill behind El Comandante horse-racing track.
1975 analysis (5 months after collection):
No quantification
Bufotenine- 80% of total alkaloid.
DMT- 19% of total alkaloid.
5-MeO-DMT- 1% of total alkaloid.
2-Methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-b-carboline- Traces.
1977 analysis of same material:
3.5% Bufotenine [3523 mg/ 100 gm dry; Bufotenine was sole alkaloid present.]
Schultes et al. 1977b.


Anadenanthera peregrina. [J. Yde, 1964, H4685]
Seedlings- 0.001% [1 mg of DMT/ 100 gm; Sole alkaloid.]
Schultes et al. 1977b.
Material from both Puerto Rico and Brazil. DMT was the sole alkaloid in pods. Not detected in seeds. Fish et al. 1955. Puerto Rican material gave variable results. [Reported a total alkaloid concentration of 1.6% in the seeds. No indication was given of the actual amount of pure alkaloids. The pods were weaker but contained only DMT.]


Anadenanthera peregrina [R.E. Schultes 26363; La Carolina, Barrio St. Just, near San Juan, Puerto Rico, Dec. 1972]

Immature seeds collected December 1972
0.16% DMT [75% of 209 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry; 156.75 mg of DMT per 100 gm of dried immature seeds]
[0.04% 5-MeO-DMT also present]
[0.01% Bufotenine also present]

Seedlings
0.001% DMT [4% of 25 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry]
[0.024% 5-MeO-DMT also present. 24 mg of 5-MeO-DMT per 100 grams of dried seedlings.]
[0.00025% Bufotenine also present]

Pods without seeds
0.012% 5-MeO-DMT. 12 mg of 5-MeO-DMT per 100 grams of dried pods without seeds.
0.001% DMT [8% of 13 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry.
0.00013% Bufotenine

Leaves
0.094% 5-MeO-DMT. 94 mg of 5-MeO-DMT per 100 grams of dried leaves.
0.013% DMT [12% of 107 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry]

Twigs
0.0357% 5-MeO-DMT. 36 mg of 5-MeO-DMT per 100 grams of dried twigs.
0.0019% DMT [5% of 38 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry.
0.0004% Bufotenine

Bark [0.41% total alkaloid]
0.39% 5-MeO-DMT. 390 mg of 5-MeO-DMT per 100 grams of dried bark.
0.02% DMT [5% of 410 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry.]

Roots [0.69% total alkaloid]
0.014% DMT [2% of 699 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry]
0.678% 5-MeO-DMT. 678 mg of 5-MeO-DMT per 100 grams of dried roots]
0.007% Bufotenine
Schultes et al. 1977b.


Anadenanthera peregrina (L.) Spegazzini [No. 24625; Origin: Boa Vista, Brazil]

Leaves:
0.0064% i.e. 6.37 mg DMT/ 100 gm dry leaves [49% of 13 mg. of total alkaloids/ 100 gm. of dry leaves:
0.006% [6 mg. of 5-Methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine/ 100 gm. of dry leaves]
Traces of 5-MeO-MMT.
Agurell et al. 1969.

Bark:
0.025% 5-MeO-DMT [25 mg. of 5-Methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine/ 100 gm. of dry bark]
0.0004% DMT i.e. 0.42 mg DMT / 100 gm dry bark [1% of 42 mg. of total alkaloids/ 100 gm. of dry bark]
0.0015% 5-MeO-MMT in bark [15 mg per 100 gm of dried bark]
Traces of bufotenine in dry bark.
Agurell et al. 1969.


Anadenanthera peregrina. [R.E.Schultes 24625; Boa Vista, Brazil]

Leaves
0.00637% DMT [49% of 13 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry
0.00624% 5-MeO-DMT

Bark
0.025% 5-MeO-DMT
0.015% 5-MeO-MMT
0.00042% DMT- [1% of 42 mg of total alkaloid/ 100 gm dry
0.00084% 6-Methoxy-1,2-dimethyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-b-carboline
0.00084% 6-Methoxy-2-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-b-carboline
Schultes et al. 1977b.
(Bark- as Piptadenia peregrina)
Legler & Tschesche 1963 examined bark and reported 5-MeO-DMT formed 32% of the crude base. A mixture of 5-MeO-MMT and MMT comprised 41%. Used Brazilian material.
as Piptadenia peregrina
Bark collected in Colombia during 1956
5-MeO-DMT, DMT, MMT, and 5-MeO-MMT
Holmstedt & Lindgren 1967.
Erowid Online Books : "Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants, and analogs" by Keeper of the Trout

with 8 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "I became lightheaded as soon as the injection started, and then my face turned purple and I became nauseated and I felt I couldn't breathe. I see white, straight lines with a black background. I can't trace a pattern. Now there are red, green and yellow dots, very bright like they were made out of fluorescent cloth, moving like blood cells through capillaries, weaving in and out of the white lines. I another two minutes, everything was pretty much gone."

(with 10 mg, intravenously, over a 50 second period) "My face was suddenly very hot. I could not breathe fast enough."


with 16 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "Almost immediately I felt a burning sensation in the roof of my mouth and I felt a tingling all over my body. My face turned purple, and my chest feels crushed. Everything has a yellow haze, and I was sweating heavily and I vomited. Words can't come. My mind feels crowded. When I start on a thought, another one comes along and clashes with it. I can't express myself clearly. I am here and not here. It has now been forty minutes and I feel better, but I still feel like I would like to walk it off, like a hang-over.

TIHKAL; 5-ho-DMT ; shulgin

I only tried yopo once, and I will not repeat, even if there was a higher DMT content...

But I'm always interested when I hear others are doing yopo, specifically in how you are doing this yopo?, what plant did it come from? And what are you getting out of it?

-eg
 
After more than a year of messing with psychedelics, mostly DMT, the results so far are inconclusive.

Yes, I have seen some weird stuff. Yet, I could have seen all that by other methods.

Maybe most intense thing I have experienced is that feeling of ego death. Forgetting for a moment who am I, or if there's I at all was intense.

I have obtained some info about myself, but after thorough analysis, I found out that nothing that I already knew or suspected to be true was presented to me.

There is a negative effect that I've got which is HPPD and occasional confusing thoughts and vivid dreams.

And I dont know if I should continue as I dont see the point. My pre- psychedelic methods of exploring the world and the Universe we live in strangely now seem to be superior .
 
Well Oversoul1919, if I interpenetrated what you typed correctly than I may be able to assume that their just not for you (If your not gaining anything beneficial with them that you couldn't without them). Especially if you have better methods that don't involve using any phycs (and possibly no substances at all?).

And I consumed the Yopo through insulflation with a straw (got no effects from smoking). I originally tried the basing with edible lime as says the typical prep but ended up getting better less painful results using normal baking soda as my base. And my effects were a bit more colorful. You describe the physical aspect perfectly compared to what I experienced (plus I almost always purged after snorting the Yopo).
I would take half a line about 5cm long and .5cm wide and then hold it in my nose for 10 seconds (it hurt like a big animal kicks you in the face as hard as it could), then blew out. After about a min or two I purged and after that I felt like water. Everything sounded distorted and "Drippy", colors were EXTREMELY Vivid and deep but also bright, Thoughts were scattered and echoed a little so I kinda just sat their looking around unable to think.

Anandernathea Pergina... I spelled that entierly wrong. :shock: Sry, its a big confusing word.
Also I remember reading somewhere that (True) Yopo contains a MAOi like molecule that boosts its alkaloids effects a bit. From your experience Gnosis it sounds like you may have got bad seeds (possibly old and hardly any remaining DMT), or just improperly identified seeds as I got visual effects from mine every time I tried them at a decent dose (aside from smoking)
 
I'm still not sure. Maybe I am wrong about this all. There's a voice inside telling me: "the worst thing you can do right now is to turn away and abandon it all".

Hugest crossroad I have come to so far.
 
NOTE BEFORE READING: I spelled alot of stuff wrong. Please don't give me a hard time about it as I have had a long day and don't want to auto correct everything. I know how to spell Psychedelics and all the other words I just tried typing this quickly to get to the point.

Well oversoul... Their are many many paths to choose from. Sometimes their are so many, we just stop at the intersection unable to move forward out of being overwhelmed. If you think phycs are not for you, then they may not be.
But on the other hand, I grew up saying I would never use anything, tried stuff, and now even without a full breakthrough on DMT I can see positive (and negative, but only negative because the truth of reality hurts like a bitch sometimes) changes in my life.
While the visual aspect is amazing with Phycedelics, it shouldn't be just about "Seeing weird stuff", it should be about self reflection and learning new things that you allready knew.
Basicly they give your mental state a different perspective on things as well as your visual state.

May I ask how you were using them (not specific to the substance, but like your reasoning)?
What have you gained so far? Whats the farthest you have gone?

The hardest I have ever visually tripped is a tie between LSA (when I smoked some keif at the peak and it was the first bit of weed I had smoked in 6 months) and Syrian Rue (6g dose, didnt purge until 2+ hours in, and was lit on cannabis throughout), and while I saw some things that had some significance to me, It was more about the mental state you know?
My Dimitri extracts are typically from Chali. and Yopo and I enjoy the extra akaloids such as 5-meo because they make me think about everything, and nothing (I am not dosing for breakthrough just to note). That and most of the time my insites don't come to me until after the trip (stuff just starts to click and make since).

So far I have gone from the state I grew up in (you should always be curdious to people, Make alot of money and be successful in life etc. typical American family standards ya kno) to a whole new level of spirituality and peace (while I do still struggle with eternal conflict, overall I am at peace, and have noticed my though patterns change from the above to new ones such as: Life is not about money, but pursuing ones purpose which they must find. Lifes purpose is not a Universal concept that applies to everyone, rather it is specified for individuals and their situations. One may also have multiple purposes to choose from [aka paths]. One should live as selfless as possible for that point in their lives [I can't drop everything ya kno...]. One should not truely care about material items, rather the memories and experiences they give you [This is why I still do phycs after having the shit scared outa me by them a few times]. One should not fear the unknown, but rather embrace it and expand their knowledge into it in order to begin learning more about it).

Use phycadelics to make yourself a better person. And if not that, then to learn and expand consciousness. Any use other than those may result in subpar results or bad experiences.

But overall, I do beleive your mind is trying to tell you something. The worst thing you can do is turn around and walk away, no doubt... So rather than permanetly abandoning them, take some time to really think and find your true purpose for using... and when you have, use for that purpose only. What they will initially do to you is based on your mental state (also physical. Nurotransmitters etc. but overall its what you think that can determine how a trip goes).
Also, quick note... If you have used DMT and still have not seen anything that doesnt rock your world, then you A: Removed by moderator., B: It is still impure, C: Method of using is incorrect or you are loosing some of the molecule through improper vaporization, D:Just flat out isnt DMT.
Everyone that I have read about that has used DMT at full dosage, cannot return to their previous selves (but are better afterwards most of the time). Use this stuff to give yourself motivation to keep going in life. Use it to think a different way around a problem you are facing. Their are going to be painful times with them, but if you bare through it, in the end it will be worth it.

Try Ayahuasca (if you are indeed ready) as it will destroy you and build you anew. From that new self you can either continue going though the motions of your previous life, or you can correct previous mistakes, better yourself everyday you can, and search for YOUR meaning in this world.
 
"Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem." Jiddu Krishnamurti

I came across this little gem in my teenage years. Plagued by an internal struggle, a lack of self acceptance, I was finding it difficult to align my waking mind with my inner self and my external world. This quote in particular (however I may have come about it) initially relieved me of pressure I was putting on myself. Misconceptions still persisted for years to come - I still turned to drugs as an "answer," but I remember it as a slight turning point in my life, like a reframing of my mental state (even as the storm was still brewing, so to speak). Beyond my low self esteem, there, too, were the questions since birth - the unanswerable life-long, soul-searching curiosities - with no resolution in sight.

Then came my experiences with RC's.

Something seemed to have changed in my psyche. I had experimented with LSD and psilocybin before these encounters, and this trip in itself was nothing more pronounced, but mediocre with some enhanced audiovisual. What I started experiencing were (as later defined) synchronicities. Pointless, devoid of lesson for the most part. But it was like I was tuning in to some freakish radio signal. Anyway, I battled with this for a few years, in spurts I guess. The notion that this concept could be worked into the framework of the universe intrigued and baffled me, and that obsession kept the experiences flowing, too.

There came a point during my first year of college where I was forced to face all of this, in totality. Because, similar to what you expressed, there was like a little voice (validated, or reaffirmed, through synchronous experiences) telling me I shouldn't turn back, that there was a deeper meaning to ascertain, lessons to learn (also to note, that a sense emerged over time, similar to dmt entities, like as if the universe itself was conscious and active in my life - in fact, this was one of my big breakthroughs). I had been dabbling with some very good LSD again, and a few mushroom bars as well. And one night, I guess I started to see a deeper layer to the cosmos. I quickly made some Google searches after I got up from a little contemplating session in my bed, and the search results pulled up two things: synchronicities, as explained by Deepak Chopra (also, an essay by him entitled "The True Nature of the Universe"), and information regarding nonlocality and QT (I think another quick search returned MWI). My understanding bolted down to this: there exists a field of information, that information is fundamental (expressed as energy) and from it springs conscious awareness but yet consciousness existed prior to life or the universe, that we live inside of a universe that is conscious of itself, and that beyond death is simply a reemergence. From there on though, what I've really gained is a sense of faith. ..

DMT seems to be another route I want to take to delve deeper. I just pray that I stay on a better path, and maybe further understanding will follow.
 
I've taken morning glory seeds, Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, Turbina corymbosa, and so on...

I've taken extracts and pure compounds if the species listed above...

And I still can not say that there is anything psychedelic about these seeds...

It's incredibly frustrating, I hear psychedelia is possible with these seeds, but have never been able to achieve it.

My experiences generally result in an altered state, thoughts are fuzzy and somewhat difficult to form, there is a definite feeling of "low energy", there may be mild visual distortions, such as mild tracers or perhaps colors will seven more vivid, but in general I would say that there are no visual phenomena associated with these compounds, in general the experiences are rather pointless, an uncomfortable intoxication, and not much else.

Lysergic acid amide is a schedule 3 sedative:

LA-111, ergine, d-lysergamide. This is an active compound and has been established as a major component in morning glory seeds. It was assayed for human activity, by Albert Hofmann in self-trials back in 1947, well before this was known to be a natural compound. An i.m. administration of a 500 microgram dose led to a tired, dreamy state with an inability to maintain clear thoughts. After a short period of sleep, the effects were gone and normal baseline was recovered within five hours. Other observers have confirmed this clouding of consciousness leading to sleep. The epimer, inverted at C-8, is isoergine or d-isolysergamide, and is also a component of morning glory seeds. Hofmann tried a 2 milligram dose of this amide, and as with ergine, he experienced nothing but tiredness, apathy, and a feeling of emptiness. Both compounds are probably correctly dismissed as not being a contributor to the action of these seeds. It is important to note that ergine, as well as lysergic acid itself, is listed as a Schedule III drug in the Controlled Substances Act, as a depressant. This is, in all probability, a stratagem to control them as logical precursors to LSD. TIHKAL;shulgin

Other ergot/lysergamide alkaloids found in the seeds seem to only produce sedation, inability to clear thought, apathy, nausea, and so on...

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you also brought up yopo, which I detailed in my last post, yopo generally means a snuff made from Anadenanthera species seeds, the key chemical compound present is 5-hydroxy-DMT.

Again, I can't call 5-ho-DMT psychedelic, and these reports from TIHKAL seem to confirm that these experiences are the norm for 5-ho-DMT

2 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "I felt a tightness in my throat and stomach and it seemed that my pulse was racing, although apparently there was no change in either my pulse or blood pressure."

(with 4 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "During the injection, I first felt a burning sensation in my face, then a load pressing down from above, and then a numbness of the entire body. I saw red and black spots -- a vivid orange-red -- moving around. Apparently my purplish face color lasted some 15 minutes, well after my visual things had disappeared."

(with 8 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "I became lightheaded as soon as the injection started, and then my face turned purple and I became nauseated and I felt I couldn't breathe. I see white, straight lines with a black background. I can't trace a pattern. Now there are red, green and yellow dots, very bright like they were made out of fluorescent cloth, moving like blood cells through capillaries, weaving in and out of the white lines. I another two minutes, everything was pretty much gone."

(with 10 mg, intravenously, over a 50 second period) "My face was suddenly very hot. I could not breathe fast enough."

(with 10 mg, intravenously, over a 77 minute period) "There were no psychological changes."

(with 16 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "Almost immediately I felt a burning sensation in the roof of my mouth and I felt a tingling all over my body. My face turned purple, and my chest feels crushed. Everything has a yellow haze, and I was sweating heavily and I vomited. Words can't come. My mind feels crowded. When I start on a thought, another one comes along and clashes with it. I can't express myself clearly. I am here and not here. It has now been forty minutes and I feel better, but I still feel like I would like to walk it off, like a hang-over." TIHKAL; shulgin

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Harmine/harmaline/tetrahydroharmaline found in peganum harmala seeds are my favorite out of all that you mentioned, and are the closest to being actually psychedelic...

These compounds generally function as an MAOI. And are generally not used for psychoactivity..

(Mono amine oxidase is an enzyme your body uses a to destroy mono amines before they can enter they system, these MAO enzymes will destroy DMT, so you must inhibit these enzymes to make DMT active orally...

Now, if you dose high, these harmala alkaloids can be psychoactive, though this generally is not how they are used...

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... for what ever reasons, I've never been able to generate true psychedelia with the plants and compounds you listed

Is this problem just me?

Are you actually able to generate true psychedelia with these compounds?

(How are you using this yopo? And what plant are you making it with?)

-eg
 
The changes are subtle, but subtle things can be powerful.

Sometimes, it's not about what you do, but how you do it, and what you don't do or say. These things, psychedelics have a big impact on.

PS- entheogenic-gnosis, can you tone it down? I don't see how any of those super-long posts are addressing the OP's question.
 
😁 Hey guys! Thank you for all the posts so far! Also sorry for the bit I said previously that was REMOVED BY MODERATOR... Some people can only get it that way (If you read it before it was removed you know what I am referring to).

Ok, Entheogenic-Gnosis I believe your posts to be helpful as to remind people of the facts. While they may be slightly off topic from time to time, I do not mind as they provide resourceful information regarding the mentioned substances and their effects classification.
1: I can see how HBWR or MGHB seeds can be classified as a sedative. I am using in combination with Vitamin C, 100% Peppermint Extract, and Heavy doses of Cannabis. This method seems to work well for making the experience more worthwhile as I have noticed hardly any of the same sedative (and even mental: clear thoughts/ not mentally sedating, but stimulating) effects that the seeds have without the combo. I may be sensitive to visuals a bit as I can get them from Cannabis alone, so for me these do classify as a Psychedelic (in the mixture of coarse... Other wise its just a euphoric extacy type feeling with patterns on stuff)... maybe a mild one but one none the less.

2: As far as Yopo goes, I though only Peregrina was considered ACTUAL Yopo as the other alkaloids present add to the 5-Oh trip. If all trees in the Anandernathea family that had 5-Oh were Yopo, then what is Cebil and Villca? haha not being sarcastic.... :shock: seriously, whats different bout them?


3: Harmalas haha destroyed me lol. Had some exorcist 6ft cross the room vomiting... Crazy stuff. Found it to be WAY WAY more sedating than HBWR or MGHB seeds and had to many tracers and bright flashes as I moved. Also severe motion sickness. So in comparison, I think HBWR with the combo mentioned above for the right people can be a better "Psychedelic" (This statement for harmalas without DMT and other things of coarse).

I used fresh (Straight from Peru, maybe 2-4 months since picked off the tree) Peregrina seeds. I snorted them after pealing the outer shell WITHOUT TOASTING, chopping finely with a razor blade, grinding in a mortar and pestle with 1/3 amount baking soda mixed in, and then lined up. I would use lines big enough for me to cry after about half. Very Very painful stuff, but about 2 mins after insuflating (and vomiting) everything went hyper-reality (Colors got super super bright and deep neon versions of themselves). I got patterns on my arms, pupils fully dilated, trails, etc. And that was from a low dose (I'm not ganna choke on a gram and a half of powder in my sinuses just to throw up my guts and see 1800s people while my body is on auto pilot licking everything it can).
Also I am sure their are other people out their like you who cannot trip from simple HBWR seeds... I know a few in fact. But I also know people like myself who can get Space Blasted (Standing on top of their bathroom sink talking to ants for hours) as the lights turn rainbow (and haha they don't quite do that to ME... but a friend had that reaction from 10 HBWR)

EDIT: Also, the effects of IVed 5-Oh I have read are very different from that of properly identified and prepared Yopo. Although they both have the bad physical side effects of the 5-Oh I have read of people getting more/better visuals from Yopo. (I would compare to my experiences, but I have not IVed pure 5-oh to accurately do so).
Back on topic lol:
Thank you RhythmSpring! I agree that the changes are small and subtle but powerful. And thats great point! They seem to make you question everything about yourself and your life without doing it at all. Also, Entheo is ok... Haha as long as were not fighting I enjoy his resourceful input. Thank you for the concern though!
 
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