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Listening to music on syrian rue
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harmala_afficianado
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I really wish what your saying is true, i will try this way tomorrow and ill see how it goes, not because i wanna save more seeds but because i was worried before 12g daily might be stressing my liver, so knowing it was way less than that would be a huge relief.
As for the music, for me the main diff between the music enhancment of psychedelics/weed and the enhancment of rue is that with rue the music feels more "raw" and "real" than anything else, also i think the fact that rue somehow can give you full access to the psychedelic space while also keeping you fully grounded in normal reality makes it more special in regards to music, sure psychedelics can make you more sensitive to the music, but it also becomes more "dreamy" and like its "not real, rue will enhance the music you already like sober more than any other psychedelic, but other psychedelics will perhaps change your music taste entirely, id say theyre just diff flavors.
Harmalas/rue teas give me deeper focus and emotional feeling while listening to music but the most noticeable effect I encounter above a certain dose is that the music always sounds faster. It's especially obvious on music with regular beat (typically electronic music 4/4 structure) and music that I know well, it's less obvious on beatless (no beat - not Beatles 
) music like ambient or very stretched/diluted music. It's not obvious on music I listen to for the first time as I don't have a reference point in mind. Also, although the music sounds faster, it doesn't sound higher-pitched, which is a usual consequence on music when played accelerated on analog mechanical device such as a turntable.
I also concur with what other Nexians said, the fact you can handle 12g daily dose is probably related to sub-optimal tea preparation and it also could be related to weak seeds batches. 5g optimally prepared tea with decent seeds is already a strong dose. In addition to what has already been said, I'd say that if you use hard tap water, it should be slightly acidified to enhance the tea strength.
I'm quite used to rue/harmalas which I take regularly since years but I remember times when I was drinking high doses of seeds teas (typically 5g) for several consecutive days : the 2 or 3 days after it I was always feeling drowsy and kind of lazy, I could have several naps in a day although I had slept more than enough during the night. That's why I don't take anymore harmalas/rue tea in high doses when I do several days in a row, I avoid having high doses (which I enjoy) in this case.
) music like ambient or very stretched/diluted music. It's not obvious on music I listen to for the first time as I don't have a reference point in mind. Also, although the music sounds faster, it doesn't sound higher-pitched, which is a usual consequence on music when played accelerated on analog mechanical device such as a turntable.I also concur with what other Nexians said, the fact you can handle 12g daily dose is probably related to sub-optimal tea preparation and it also could be related to weak seeds batches. 5g optimally prepared tea with decent seeds is already a strong dose. In addition to what has already been said, I'd say that if you use hard tap water, it should be slightly acidified to enhance the tea strength.
I'm quite used to rue/harmalas which I take regularly since years but I remember times when I was drinking high doses of seeds teas (typically 5g) for several consecutive days : the 2 or 3 days after it I was always feeling drowsy and kind of lazy, I could have several naps in a day although I had slept more than enough during the night. That's why I don't take anymore harmalas/rue tea in high doses when I do several days in a row, I avoid having high doses (which I enjoy) in this case.
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Fascinating thread. Does anyone have any input as to the effects of lower dose, daily, Rue use? Didn't someone used to take a pinch between the cheek and gums daily? What oral potentiation of DMT would one get with daily, lighter dosing?
Just any input on daily use at lower levels.
Just any input on daily use at lower levels.
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harmala_afficianado
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There def is some type of reverse tolerance, at least in the beggining, its more like you get better each day at navigating the harmala space, the only thing that i built tolerance for was the "novelty", i still get vivid OEVs most of the time lol.
It’s the neon laser beam tryptamine style of visions/visuals in the dark that seem lacking any time I started dosing daily etc.
harmala_afficianado
Rising Star
You mean those CEVs? I still get them daily lol, vivid too, if you mean oevs in the dark then im not sure ive never had neon like OEVs but i always have them eyes closed, OEVs for me now show up at hour 3-4, the air will have this ripple effect and my vision will be tracing
harmala_afficianado
Rising Star
I could barely handle 4g daily the first month, was stoned all day, sooner or later though youll find yourself pretty comfortable with high doses, i have read about @embracethevoid experience with rue, he was also using 10g+ doses daily with no issues.Harmalas/rue teas give me deeper focus and emotional feeling while listening to music but the most noticeable effect I encounter above a certain dose is that the music always sounds faster. It's especially obvious on music with regular beat (typically electronic music 4/4 structure) and music that I know well, it's less obvious on beatless (no beat - not Beatles
I also concur with what other Nexians said, the fact you can handle 12g daily dose is probably related to sub-optimal tea preparation and it also could be related to weak seeds batches. 5g optimally prepared tea with decent seeds is already a strong dose. In addition to what has already been said, I'd say that if you use hard tap water, it should be slightly acidified to enhance the tea strength.
I'm quite used to rue/harmalas which I take regularly since years but I remember times when I was drinking high doses of seeds teas (typically 5g) for several consecutive days : the 2 or 3 days after it I was always feeling drowsy and kind of lazy, I could have several naps in a day although I had slept more than enough during the night. That's why I don't take anymore harmalas/rue tea in high doses when I do several days in a row, I avoid having high doses (which I enjoy) in this case.
I've had in the past seeds batches from whose I barely felt effects at 12g teas and lately I extracted harmalas from a 200g batch which only contained about 1% harmalas (usual = 4-6%). The most precise and I'd say the only way to really know what amount of harmalas in regular or daily use one can handle in harmony with its way of life is to use purified extracts to get rid of tea uncertainties (preparation method, boiling time and temperature, seeds quality, water pH, roasted seeds vs not and so on). I've had good as well as bad surprises with teas when jumping from a batch to another or changes in preparation, amount/weight of seeds isn't a precise indicator to know your real intake with teas, neither when seeds are eaten (which has a rather poor bio-availability compared to tea or other methods).
In January with a friend we had 400mg purified harmalas each, we were barely able to move and the least move triggered nausea, even we are both very experimented with rue - I take 1 to 7 days a week tea or extracts since 4 years. Despite of nausea triggering we spent a great moment but I wouldn't call such a dose "comfortable", neither would I recommend it for daily use. Visual tracers and auditory hallucinations are cool but I wouldn't (and couldn't) live everyday with them.
What I just want to say, especially to readers passing here, is that 10g+ rue seeds teas is not a standard and recommendable dose, especially when seeds have a decent amount of harmalas. Not to mention such doses should not be taken when one has to drive a car or handle dangerous tools. That's what I meant by "in harmony with its way of life".
We still can be peganum harmala proselytes (which I'm a definitely) and have daily or regular use benefits of it without promoting unreasonable, dangerous or binge uses. Keep it in mind if you want to do a wise and safe promotion of this incredible entheogenic and medicinal plant.
I'm going to conclude my post with a warning quoted from the book Harmal: The Genus Peganum : "Although Peganum harmala can be a singularly efficacious intervention in numerous medical scenarios, it may cause, and has caused, major damage to internal organs and DEATH from improper use. Please treat this plant with extreme respect and be forewarned of its awesome power. Caution and prudence should always be exercised in its employment."
Take care.
harmala_afficianado
Rising Star
Obv it is in no way a "standard" or "recommendable" dose, all im saying is with daily long term use sooner or later high doses will be pretty functional, and ive used countless diff batches throughout those 5 months, i live in the middle east so harmala grows everywhere here and its fresh, also there are 0 recorded death cases or permanant organ damage from rue alone, there is a case of a woman who took 100g seeds and fully recovered in a few days with no long term damage.
Sure, but still doesn't mean it's a safe use. You still can benefit from awesomeness of this plant with safer practices. That was my main point. As mentioned, my latest paragraph was mostly for passing readers. I share this plant with a lot of people, for its entheogenic as well as its medicinal properties and I try to do it in a respectful and as safe as possible way, as warned in Harmal: The Genus Peganum.
The most plausible explanation for increased functionality on high doses is tolerance. It all points to tolerance formation.
That may be true for yourself but at least a couple people in this thread had a different experience.
That's also my experience at such high doses. Extreme nausea and repeated purging (I was outside and had to keep moving to reach home), mad tracer effects, sensory overload... laying down completely still was the only way to handle the experience.
As for the auditory effects of harmalas, to me there is a clear alteration of sounds reaching auditory hallucinations on higher doses. I tend to go for calmness when on harmalas so I haven't noticed its effects on music, something to try next time. I am always amazed how much better music sounds on cannabis.
How many people in the world do you think use daily high doses like you did in the long run ? My guess is probably not that much. An individual case should anyway not be generalized. The fact it feels safe for you doesn't mean it's a safe use for everyone and in general.
There is something somewhat contradictory when you say :
after you said
You should at least detail what you mean by "works better" : In which case ? For what purpose ? Harmal has a very wide range of uses and properties, doses and frequency of use should always be in accordance with the intended purpose. The Nexus is a place where harm reduction has an important place and extraordinary claims should be supported by solid evidences. An individual case isn't one.
harmala_afficianado
Rising Star
I never recommended anyone to take the doses i take, i just meant that in general the spiritual benefits ( which for me is the most beneficial aspect of rue ) get better the more you use it, it was common in the middle east in the past generations to take the seeds for 40 days, it was said to put wisdom in the heart
I like music on harmalas but tbh it’s never been much to write home about compared to music on acid and other similar compounds. At times it even seems to mute certain tones and the music can even sound kind of flat.
Thanks for clarifying, this sounds more nuanced than your first statement. You might be interested reading this thread which actually relates a forum member 40 days straight harmalas experience in a religious/spiritual purpose. His daily dose was 400mg extracted harmalas and that's maybe why some members showed suspicious and concerned about the 12g seeds doses you mentioned first, and hence my previous remark that seeds weight/amount in tea isn't a reliable indicator of the dose actual intake.
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What I like when listening to music on harmalas is the more emotional dimension music can take. I agree though that it's far from the music perception we can encounter on shrooms or LSD.
harmala_afficianado
Rising Star
Broo you described it perfectly, more emotional dimension, thats what i love about it
Harmine/harmaline are in my experience somewhat dissociative. They are inverse agonists at the gaba receptor…harmaline is also an inverse agonist the NMDA receptor. They seem to do a lot of weird things and I wish I understood it. It can feel both sort of like Valium and sort of like a dissociative at the same time but still totally different. It’s kind of like Iboga and I find some similarities to DXM as well. Interestingly the way I respond to music can be similar on harmine/ harmaline, Iboga, DXM, ketamine…and maybe even Valium from what I recall. I like how on harmalas my body can feel slightly anesthetized so I feel more free to enter into the mind movies driven by the music. I think I prefer icaros on harmalas, and I found very similar results when listening to them on ketamine. At least something acoustic…Some other psychedelics I might want EDM or classical music instead.
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