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Here's an interesting thing I've also noticed... In the last few weeks this happens so often throughout the day where I'll be doing something and have whatever else on my mind (thinking of things in general, imaging scenarios, etc), then all of a sudden I'll get a memory that I'd completely forgotten about come in to my thoughts (things from when I was only a few years old, to things that happened a few years ago, completely at random). Most of which I forget again by the next day, and then it happens again. It's so weird and trippy, but at the same time enjoyable as I get to reminisce on previous memories.
I had a cone (like 0.1g, only a small hit) and I've noticed it almost felt as if some stuff was ever so mildly (I mean really mildly) kind of moving in a way (sort of in and out of itself; getting smaller and bigger ever so slightly). Almost as if shit is stretching out and moving around, etc... Mind you, my tolerance now that I don't have it is really low, and this was some really potent stuff...).
Looking at the text now, it kind of feels like it's expanding outwards left and right, then inwards the same way. If I try and stare blankly, the text all of a sudden gets slightly bolder (which I think may be a bad eyes thing, that I need glasses)...
I kind of felt somewhat of a headache too, could just be the green being too strong I guess. After staring at a monitor for a few moments, if I glance at my wall (which is a creamish colour) I can see crazy laser like patterns over it as well as the visual snow (the lasers do eventually go away though...). When I do look away and focus at them, it kind of gives me a sharp pain in my head (it feels like my brain is being attacked if you know what I mean) at random spots for random amounts of time...
When I close my eyes the static seems more organised (again, ever so slightly) and seems to give me basic shapes but with little to no detail, my mind then imagines things that it might look like.
Just goes to show I can never have weed again either. -sob- :/
Looking at the text now, it kind of feels like it's expanding outwards left and right, then inwards the same way. If I try and stare blankly, the text all of a sudden gets slightly bolder (which I think may be a bad eyes thing, that I need glasses)...
I kind of felt somewhat of a headache too, could just be the green being too strong I guess. After staring at a monitor for a few moments, if I glance at my wall (which is a creamish colour) I can see crazy laser like patterns over it as well as the visual snow (the lasers do eventually go away though...). When I do look away and focus at them, it kind of gives me a sharp pain in my head (it feels like my brain is being attacked if you know what I mean) at random spots for random amounts of time...
When I close my eyes the static seems more organised (again, ever so slightly) and seems to give me basic shapes but with little to no detail, my mind then imagines things that it might look like.
Just goes to show I can never have weed again either. -sob- :/
XaniKi, maybe take some time away from substances, and take time to integrate what has happened. Meditate, and go about your day to day life and just take some time to reflect. I think that things will be fine with time if you do this.
It's important to consider that you have not fully integrated the experience yet. Yes, it was challenging and difficult. Because you have not integrated this difficult experience you have some left-over fear which expresses itself in various manners. For example, you invent all kinds of pains and little things and exaggerate them. This is fueling the fear. There is a difference between feeling something, and pain/something being wrong. Feeling all kinds of things everywhere is normal, and it is very likely that you've become more aware of that, that you're living more in the moment at times instead of being lost in your thoughts and on auto pilot constantly.
Instead of taking every opportunity to conclude that something is wrong, try to understand your new feelings. We change all the time, and this is a good thing. With or without substances. Change for the better, and don't allow yourself to be afraid of doing this.
Instead of taking every opportunity to conclude that something is wrong, try to understand your new feelings. We change all the time, and this is a good thing. With or without substances. Change for the better, and don't allow yourself to be afraid of doing this.
XaniKi said:
This is completely normal...you are staring a screen at 60Hz (cycling 60 times a second) similar to a TV.
The lasers are an afterimage...your brain trying to make sense of the frequencies that are bombarding it from the screen.
We all get that..at least I do. Head aches too...too much screen time result in glasses ..also age (unfortunately)
Oh and...stop smoking!...take our advice...:thumb_up:
Beelzebozo
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Eh sometimes in a dark room I see open eye visuals of beautiful geometric patterns overlaid across my vision morphing and changing. It's only happened a few times, usually when I'm completely sober but exhausted. Whenever anything happens that you could possibly worry about, ask yourself, "what good will framing this in a negative light do me?" At the very least don't worry about it, and, if you can, try and appreciate it while it lasts. Why not? It's like we're afraid not to worry, because then we might realize that we're not really in control at all. :lol:
And I'm sure there are those who would jump on me and say something like how my suggestion is belittling to those who continually suffer from sober hallucinations. But, still, I say it's possible to at the very least relax into even the most intense suffering, and sometimes, believe it or not, you can even laugh at it while it's happening. Not taking my pain and fear and anger and confusion seriously is the greatest lesson I've ever learned. I highly recommend you laugh at it! (Notice I'm not suggesting you laugh at other people's suffering, just your own.)
And I'm sure there are those who would jump on me and say something like how my suggestion is belittling to those who continually suffer from sober hallucinations. But, still, I say it's possible to at the very least relax into even the most intense suffering, and sometimes, believe it or not, you can even laugh at it while it's happening. Not taking my pain and fear and anger and confusion seriously is the greatest lesson I've ever learned. I highly recommend you laugh at it! (Notice I'm not suggesting you laugh at other people's suffering, just your own.)
I think I've started to enjoy it a little, lol... I was sitting down today staring at the patterns in the carpet, and if I was staring for probably 5+ seconds, it would kind of warp around a little... At first I thought it was all in my head, then I thought I'm going mental. Today I kinda just watched and it didn't really phase me... I kinda enjoyed watching it almost... The afterimages from looking at a computer screen can be a little annoying at times, as well as the static (which I feel has maybe got a little bit better...).
I was really, really tempted to have another go at DMT this weekend, but I have been resilient and said to myself I don't want to risk making this 'mild HPPD' (If that's what you'd call it...) any worse, as that would actually become distracting and probably cause me to do all kinds of stupid things. That being said, does anyone recommend a time where it would actually be better? I hear HPPD can be present forever for some people, which would mean no more at all...
Good vibes to everyone who has been a positive influence on me through this!
I was really, really tempted to have another go at DMT this weekend, but I have been resilient and said to myself I don't want to risk making this 'mild HPPD' (If that's what you'd call it...) any worse, as that would actually become distracting and probably cause me to do all kinds of stupid things. That being said, does anyone recommend a time where it would actually be better? I hear HPPD can be present forever for some people, which would mean no more at all...
Good vibes to everyone who has been a positive influence on me through this!
satchelpack
Rising Star
Good to hear your doing better XaniKi. I just wanted to say that I've quit smoking marijuana twice this year and both times resulted in difficulties sleeping, sweating at night, and a complete loss of appetite. I also noticed that when I'd smoke after being sober for some time that the marijuana gives me a slight anxiety feel and puts me in a more reclusive attitude rather than social.
I'm not bashing marijuana, but just wanted to let you know that a lot of your symptoms could be caused by your radical lifestyle change. Also, if you decide to smoke, try just taking one hit. More often than not, I've noticed that I get a less reclusive high and can still function pretty normally. We do have medical marijuana around here which is quite potent so just take everything in small steps.
You can also try doing something in your spare time like drawing, writing, or playing music. Even if you suck, just dragging a pen or pencil across paper and making loop-Dee-loops can clear your mind and help you organize yourself. I've also found it fun to try to trace the visuals that you think you see. You can then go back to that spot later and try to see if you can still see the same image. I think of it sort of like intense cloud gazing. You can see anything you want to in a cloud, but with psychedelics you can see anything you want to out of dust, sunlight glares, and especially carpet. It fades so long as you abstain from mind altering substances for some time.
Stay positive Xaniki.
Satchel
I'm not bashing marijuana, but just wanted to let you know that a lot of your symptoms could be caused by your radical lifestyle change. Also, if you decide to smoke, try just taking one hit. More often than not, I've noticed that I get a less reclusive high and can still function pretty normally. We do have medical marijuana around here which is quite potent so just take everything in small steps.
You can also try doing something in your spare time like drawing, writing, or playing music. Even if you suck, just dragging a pen or pencil across paper and making loop-Dee-loops can clear your mind and help you organize yourself. I've also found it fun to try to trace the visuals that you think you see. You can then go back to that spot later and try to see if you can still see the same image. I think of it sort of like intense cloud gazing. You can see anything you want to in a cloud, but with psychedelics you can see anything you want to out of dust, sunlight glares, and especially carpet. It fades so long as you abstain from mind altering substances for some time.
Stay positive Xaniki.
Satchel
I've noticed difficulty sleeping at times, as well as sweating while going to sleep and while asleep (even with air con on, and the fan on as well...), I didn't even consider that... Good to hear in a way. >_<
The next time I do have green, I'll only have 1 hit yeah... And see how I go. No more going cone for cone to see who can go the longest anymore, lol.
I do play music, I've been finding that helps too yeah
I like the idea of drawing what I see, but I suck at drawing so it wont end well
The next time I do have green, I'll only have 1 hit yeah... And see how I go. No more going cone for cone to see who can go the longest anymore, lol.
I do play music, I've been finding that helps too yeah
I like the idea of drawing what I see, but I suck at drawing so it wont end well
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I was at a friends house (they were having a get together, as they do throughout the days). They pulled out some DMT and had a sesh. Throughout the night I resisted and resisted, and was constantly assured that it's alright, and that thinking positively will make my life turn around. I eventually, regrettably decided to give the last portion a go (this would have been like 0.020mg, MAYBE 0.025mg pushing it). Held it for a while, breathed out and had the come up feeling without visuals. Then randomly a bit later after I walked around, etc I was able to see crazy things, and it kind of kept coming and coming on stronger. I would see afterimage-like patterns that would unease me. I took an Alazepam 20mg tablet, which helped calm me. It's 1 hour and 20 minutes in, and I'm still headspinning a little. I have a very sore head that feels like it's being clinched... My stomach feels yuck, afterimages are trippy... I want to sleep but I can't because when I close my eyes the patterns start coming on and are too distracting. I don't know what to do... I'm trying to stay positive minded and that it's only for a while longer. Then I think I've had bad symptons that even a tiny amount of weed aggravated my symptons, so this is going to rock me permanently and it's eventually going to make me go insane or something...
I was at a friends house (they were having a get together, as they do throughout the days). They pulled out some DMT and had a sesh. Throughout the night I resisted and resisted, and was constantly assured that it's alright, and that thinking positively will make my life turn around. I eventually, regrettably decided to give the last portion a go (this would have been like 0.020mg, MAYBE 0.025mg pushing it). Held it for a while, breathed out and had the come up feeling without visuals. Then randomly a bit later after I walked around, etc I was able to see crazy things, and it kind of kept coming and coming on stronger. I would see afterimage-like patterns that would unease me. I took an Alazepam 20mg tablet, which helped calm me. It's 1 hour and 20 minutes in, and I'm still headspinning a little. I have a very sore head that feels like it's being clinched... My stomach feels yuck, afterimages are trippy... I want to sleep but I can't because when I close my eyes the patterns start coming on and are too distracting. I don't know what to do... I'm trying to stay positive minded and that it's only for a while longer. Then I think I've had bad symptons that even a tiny amount of weed aggravated my symptons, so this is going to rock me permanently and it's eventually going to make me go insane or something...
Beelzebozo
Rising Star
Jesus man. Well, I'm not sure what possessed you to do that after this whole thread, but what's done is done. The advice that's been offered in all of these posts still stands. I don't think there's anything more for anyone to add, just take a look back through. There's a lot of wisdom here.
I feel like a broken record, offering the same advice again and again over the course of this thread. Relax, your story about "permanent insanity" helps nothing, kill that B.S. Call the bluff on yourself man, like pretty much all of us, you're your own worst enemy. I don't know what you're experiencing, but I guarantee that you're dramatizing it at least to some extent.
You're not the first person that weird shit has happened to. In some ways, realizing that your suffering isn't special is the end of the suffering. Don't take it seriously, unless you want to suffer, in which case, go ahead.
Otherwise, take some time whenever you remember to take DEEP breaths. Inhale deeply through the nose for four seconds, sip more air through your mouth, focusing on breathing into and relaxing the deepest part of your belly. Then hold it in for at least eight full seconds. Then exhale for another eight.
This won't save you from the craziness that is life, but maybe, over time you'll relax and realize you don't need saving, because you ARE the craziness. It's amazing.
I wish you the best man. If any part of my post sounds harsh, it's meant to be tough love.
Peace.
I feel like a broken record, offering the same advice again and again over the course of this thread. Relax, your story about "permanent insanity" helps nothing, kill that B.S. Call the bluff on yourself man, like pretty much all of us, you're your own worst enemy. I don't know what you're experiencing, but I guarantee that you're dramatizing it at least to some extent.
You're not the first person that weird shit has happened to. In some ways, realizing that your suffering isn't special is the end of the suffering. Don't take it seriously, unless you want to suffer, in which case, go ahead.
Otherwise, take some time whenever you remember to take DEEP breaths. Inhale deeply through the nose for four seconds, sip more air through your mouth, focusing on breathing into and relaxing the deepest part of your belly. Then hold it in for at least eight full seconds. Then exhale for another eight.
This won't save you from the craziness that is life, but maybe, over time you'll relax and realize you don't need saving, because you ARE the craziness. It's amazing.
I wish you the best man. If any part of my post sounds harsh, it's meant to be tough love.
Peace.
I feel I was a bit frantic with my post, I missed out of what made the mindset happen. It was this rapid anger toward the system in which I live in, not so much the drug itself. Well it was like I felt annoyed I took it and was able to see ridiculous things that exist in life that are unjust, etc... The headspins, headaches, etc can be just lingering effects which I understand of course. Peer pressure and being convinced it would mend me, after a friend claiming he felt his throat canal was purified, and that he already felt better.
When you get through to the other side, you wont notice the HPPD. It will take some time. But this journey is really a tough one. Once you feel good and everything is normal, you have learned alot. And you will feel even better with yourself later. You may have some depressions because you cant function in the way you did. This will be good, just be strong and keep yourself to good surroundings. Nature is always coming to its balance.
Nature is always coming to its balance.Bleh, last night I was pretty fried and really... REALLY painted a picture different to what happened...
Upon taking the hit and feeling the onset, I could remember the feeling exactly. It wasn't worry some, it was something that was "alright, strap in and explore". After about 10 seconds I got up, and went for a walk outside. That's when it started happening. It wasn't so much open eye alterations, but the closed eye imagery was just incredible. At first, it was very enjoyable. The geometrical patterns that started forming were only made possible by imagination. If I tried to perceive what they were in reality they just simply would not work... It was as if they spoke to me, in a trance, but at the same time I was still in tune with everything that was happening around me. Their language was foreign, but I could completely understand it within the moment. I had rapid thoughts about society, and how I truly felt about the way it exists.
The open eye visuals kind of came a little while after, and persisted for the good part of an hour. I was sitting in a pretty dark area, and it was the same kind of if someone flashes a light in your eye afterimage kind of visuals. They formed in to completely random objects. There was an Indian like one that had elephants and people that were carved from wood and looked incredible. Imagine someone colouring in a blackboard with colours, but then those colours were kind of "electric" and "magnetic", but still maintained a form of transparency...
It kind of became too much (the last time I had ventured in to the DMT world it didn't last near as long, so I was a little shocked and put out of the right mindset) though. It was as if it was too much information for my brain to be able to process at one point; there was so much going on.
It's the next morning, I feel rejuvenated. I'm not sure if it's just in my head or not, but it's as if the "visual snow" is better, but some of the after imagery is about the same if not a tad worse with computer screens at times. I do feel different, still a bit fried, but at the same time I'm pretty tired from the lack of sleep. I dunno though, it's too hard to put all of my feelings / emotions in to words, but I feel that kind of paints a picture a little better.
I think because I had a smaller amount, and the rapid onset lacked a lot of the visuals last time had (with the larger dosage) it put me in a state where I thought "hey, I must have missed out a bit, oh well I'll ride out the small amount and be right". Reality took moments of trance. Upon blinking my entire field of vision was squished together and warped, then put back to normal. Trippy things everywhere, it was a true privilege.
Upon taking the hit and feeling the onset, I could remember the feeling exactly. It wasn't worry some, it was something that was "alright, strap in and explore". After about 10 seconds I got up, and went for a walk outside. That's when it started happening. It wasn't so much open eye alterations, but the closed eye imagery was just incredible. At first, it was very enjoyable. The geometrical patterns that started forming were only made possible by imagination. If I tried to perceive what they were in reality they just simply would not work... It was as if they spoke to me, in a trance, but at the same time I was still in tune with everything that was happening around me. Their language was foreign, but I could completely understand it within the moment. I had rapid thoughts about society, and how I truly felt about the way it exists.
The open eye visuals kind of came a little while after, and persisted for the good part of an hour. I was sitting in a pretty dark area, and it was the same kind of if someone flashes a light in your eye afterimage kind of visuals. They formed in to completely random objects. There was an Indian like one that had elephants and people that were carved from wood and looked incredible. Imagine someone colouring in a blackboard with colours, but then those colours were kind of "electric" and "magnetic", but still maintained a form of transparency...
It kind of became too much (the last time I had ventured in to the DMT world it didn't last near as long, so I was a little shocked and put out of the right mindset) though. It was as if it was too much information for my brain to be able to process at one point; there was so much going on.
It's the next morning, I feel rejuvenated. I'm not sure if it's just in my head or not, but it's as if the "visual snow" is better, but some of the after imagery is about the same if not a tad worse with computer screens at times. I do feel different, still a bit fried, but at the same time I'm pretty tired from the lack of sleep. I dunno though, it's too hard to put all of my feelings / emotions in to words, but I feel that kind of paints a picture a little better.
I think because I had a smaller amount, and the rapid onset lacked a lot of the visuals last time had (with the larger dosage) it put me in a state where I thought "hey, I must have missed out a bit, oh well I'll ride out the small amount and be right". Reality took moments of trance. Upon blinking my entire field of vision was squished together and warped, then put back to normal. Trippy things everywhere, it was a true privilege.
I don't believe what you ingested was LSD. I've had similar experiences, and after each one, I was informed that what I had received was in fact NOT LSD. You probably had some sort of research chemical, which sucks, but you will definitely be fine. I remember one experience where I was literally tripping as hard as I was at my peak for 24 hours. I thought I was going insane, but eventually, it all stopped and I returned to this "normal" reality. Another thing I want to add, is schizophrenia is not something that you can just suddenly become. It is encoded in your DNA, so those who are schizophrenic, are born with it. It just takes different amounts of time for every individual to become noticeable (in other words, your grow into it). Psychedelics have been known to speed up this process, as schizophrenia is caused by a crack in your pineal gland, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they make you schizophrenic.
Andmoreagain
Rising Star
No it's not. Evidence suggests that the onset of schizophrenia may be influenced by the activity of the pineal gland but not because it has a "crack" in it. From what I've gathered the actual causes of schizophrenia aren't exactly known, other than it is a genetic illness.DreaMcasT said:
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