endlessness said:
I think most people that claim saturation have not accounted for the mentioned above. Again, Im not speaking a bit of difference or something I might have placebo'ed myself, Im talking about difference between still being in this reality with strong visuals to being completely gone in another dimension and no recolection of myself.
While it's actually been just shy of 20 years since I dosed on LSD, my last dozen or so experiences were with the highest volumes. And... I partially agree with both
burnt and
endlessness, if that's feasibly possible to do.
I did notice QUITE a difference between standard doses, large doses and mega doses. That being said, I did reach a few high plateaus on LSD-25, where I just couldn't get any more saturated with this profoundly Sacred Medicine, yet, my journeys did parallel much of what has been said here, for the duration of the trips did seem to be quite ridiculous! :shock:
joedirt said:
I don't think one can go as deep with LSD as DMT, but I don't think LSD's lessons need that kind of immersion. (Not to say you can't jump off the deep end with LSD...you certainly can.) It's just that with LSD you slowly wade through the kiddy pool to the deep end. Smoking DMT is like taking a boat out to the ocean and wrapping an anchor around your neck and jumping in. The lessons learned from this are quite a bit different than with LSD.
From my experience, in terms of activating my Ajna and expanding my Sahasrara into full bloom, I nearly always reach a certain point where I transmute any and all thought, perception of visual fields, and my very subjectivity itself... in preference to aiming my consciousness towards immersion within the
Light and the shimmering no-thingness of
The Void, that profoundly silent, empty stillness.
In other words, when
the shift occurs, there is but one state and one singularity of being. Acid hit me that way since my fourth experience in, out of something like five hundred or so journeys.
Much like the nature of human thought, as "seekers of light", our challenge is to embrace the shift and transmute ourselves into THAT which is existent before we are born and will be forevermore existent, when we leave our bodies and minds behind (and consciously fuse within the ONE). Prana is everywhere and when we access it, we are no longer within ourselves, we are temporarily awakened as the Omniself... as an awareness of pure being.
I will say that DMT is waaaaaaay faster and far MORE likely to induce OBE and an eclipsing with the Godhead, on a more reliable basis. But most of what we perceive is due to our own unique awareness. Still, I find that each entheogen has it's own unique merit and despite this undeniable fact, I arrive in remarkably similar states of consciousness and what Sri Aurobindo referred to as,"supraconsciousness", whether it's voyaging with LSD, mushrooms, mescaline or DMT.
But I digress... please forgive my metaphysical departure.
William James said:
There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference.
During the national Rainbow Gathering of 1991, held in Glover Vermont, I took so much liquid LSD that I thought I had crossed over to the "other side" permanently. It was every bit as powerful as vaporized DMT, despite what many of our fellows have stated in this thread. I had a total whiteout experience, which lasted for 3 or 4 hours.
Maybe LSD effects individuals so differently, that we have different kinds of trips and access different levels/planes of awareness? You know, spiritual awakening is spiritual awakening... and there isn't any difference, when one crosses into such high degrees of total immersion. I had deep eclipsing within the chrysanthemum, many, many times under the enigmatic spell of LSD.
global said:
I have to disagree. I know where you're coming from, and I do believe the balanced experience/state is an essential one, but having said that I think it's only natural (at least for me anyway) to have a preference in a number of these concepts you list. I do prefer purple over green, light over shadow, giddy laughter over sublime stillness, shimmering fullness over serene emptiness, and DMT over LSD.
Well said and I can definitely see your perspective. And honestly, on a deeply personal level, I'd much prefer to vaporize Spice than drop Acid. I too, love blue and purple the most and yeah, shimmering fullness sure tastes sweet. Nothing is sweeter tasting than Amitra and DMT seems to trigger this phenomenon more than any other entheogen I've imbibed (or are they imbibing me?). :thumb_up:
I would LOVE to dose on some clean Acid and vaporize some Spice near the apex of the peak. I feel certain that despite any degree of saturation from the effects of LSD-25, there would be an extraordinary level of awareness born of said fusion of Sacred Medicines.
