Lucid Dreaming

[coffeeorsomething]

Hi, this is my first post on this forum. SWIM has used DMT a few times but strictly in a recreational sense, heretofore. SWIM has more experience with other psychedelics. SWIM is trying to learn to lucid dream and knows that DMT is associated with dreaming. SWIM thinks this means DMT could be used to induce lucid dreaming. However SWIM doesn't know what to do during a trip to get what she wants out of it. How should she attempt to direct her thoughts/structure her trip in order to increase the likelihood that she will lucid dream?

 

[ayalove]

I'm not to sure how to answer your question but I've been using changa before bed latley and just a week or two ago I had my first lucid dream. It was kinda cool cause it just popped into existence. Like I had awakened some inner power on accident. Cool thing was when It happened I FELT like I was thrown into a mushroom trip even though I've never done mushrooms before. My advice SMOALK more!

 

[emptymind]

I could be wrong, but I dont think there is any proof dmt has anything to do with dreaming. I had heard this before using it, and was concerned it might have some effect on my dreams, but it hasnt. Im not sure how you would use it to achieve lucidity in a dream, and I think there are probably way more effective ways to have lucid dreams than using dmt.

What practices are you currently using to have lucid dreams? Do you do reality checks? Keep a dream journal?

 

[astralspice]

Welcome.....first of all you can forget about SWIM'ing, everyone knows it's you and it makes your post a lil difficult to read:wink: I don't think that it's proven that dmt causes dreaming (have you ever had a hyperspace dream?) but I do notice that I get more detailed dreams after changa. Not quite lucid but just on the threshold of lucid. It may also be the herbs mixed such as calea and caapi. If your in it for the dreaming and don't want the spice everynight try drinking GUAYASA TEA!. It tastes great and will have very noticeable effects on your dreaming and doesn't involve any smoalking at all, although it makes a nice changa blend as well

 

[coffeeorsomething]

I have been keeping a dream journal for about 3 months and have been doing reality checks with increasing regularity. Recently I am doing 10-20 per day. I am trying to do the wake back to bed thing on weekends but have trouble going back to sleep. I just yesterday got a cloisonne lighter case which I am using as a sort of talisman to remind me I'm dreaming. My theory is that the lighter I put in the case is no longer a lighter but a flame to expose the nature of reality and that when I light it I will know if I'm dreaming. Having it also helps me remember to check if I'm dreaming more frequently. I'm getting a couple of lucid dreams a month but want more.

I've heard rumors of shamans and such using DMT in a ritualistic way to learn to lucid dream. I assume that just smoking it and seeing what happens won't be so effective. I was hoping someone would know about some kind of, I don't know, meditative techniques or something like that to direct the experience.

So far on this site I've read that a lot of people have more vivid dreams or more lucid dreams after DMT use, while a few have less vivid dreams and fewer lucid dreams, which is interesting. It reminds me of the way oral contraceptives can either make you gain or lose weight, make your PMS better or make it way worse, etc. I wonder if the effect on dreaming could be controlled or influenced.

 

[astralspice]

I like to listen to music while falling asleep as a means for astral projecting...BLUETECH (Evan Marc) in general has some very interesting beats to fall asleep to that will keep your mind runnig while your body falls asleep. the album Dreamtime Submersibles has tracks that slowly changes your brainwave state into the Delta phase which is where the magic happens.
also THIS GUY> http://www.youtube.com/user/spiritspeakscouk?ob=0 has some vids on lucid dreaming that will put you to sleep in about 0.5 seconds! cheers

 

[Tsuchinoko]

I was skeptical of this method, but after a couple nights I went lucid for a brief period (after having not attained lucidity for at least 2 years.) I was dreaming of my house, and I thought "Wait, this doesn't look right at all." and went lucid for about 15 seconds before awakening. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd do it more often and would probably get more results.

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At the very least, the touching and repetition will affect the subconscious mind.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

I dont know if this relates to this or not. But I think the touching thing has something simular to it.

What my co-workers (some) do. Is set an alarm to wake up. But the alarm is their minds. They tap on their arm or forhead a number of times with a number of fingers. They then go to sleep without any mechanical alarm. They then wake up EXACTLY at the time they tapped on their body.

Wierd eh?? It does relate because it is the subconcious mind linking the time.

 

[SpartanII]

I have been keeping a dream journal for about 3 months and have been doing reality checks with increasing regularity.

Sounds like you got a good start. Keep up the journaling and reality checks. Also I would highly recommend that you practice Concentrative meditation and Mindfulness to stay focused on the present moment during the day so that mindfulness carries over into your dream life. It will help you develop the kind of attention you need for lucid dreaming.

There's a ton of info on Mindfulness on the internet you could check out. Here's an old thread on it that has some really good tips:

Mindfulness. - Philosophy - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

There are also several topics on lucid dreaming here at the Nexus you could search for. Lots of good stuff here.

So far on this site I've read that a lot of people have more vivid dreams or more lucid dreams after DMT use, while a few have less vivid dreams and fewer lucid dreams, which is interesting. It reminds me of the way oral contraceptives can either make you gain or lose weight, make your PMS better or make it way worse, etc. I wonder if the effect on dreaming could be controlled or influenced.

Honestly, I think you would have much more success with Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors like Galantamine or Huperzine-A, along with a choline source. These supplements are known as Lucid Dream pills and are very effective, although I recommend you get a little more experience with lucid dreaming before you use them as they can induce some pretty intense experiences, including conscious sleep paralysis and out-of-body experiences, (not to mention insanely vivid dreams!)

Good luck and happy dreaming!

 

[coffeeorsomething]

BLUETECH (Evan Marc) in general has some very interesting beats to fall asleep to that will keep your mind runnig while your body falls asleep. the album Dreamtime Submersibles has tracks that slowly changes your brainwave state into the Delta phase which is where the magic happens.

Cool, will check that out.

I was skeptical of this method, but after a couple nights I went lucid for a brief period (after having not attained lucidity for at least 2 years.) I was dreaming of my house, and I thought "Wait, this doesn't look right at all." and went lucid for about 15 seconds before awakening. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd do it more often and would probably get more results.

LD4all ~ the Lucid Dreamers’ Community

The longest living online lucid dreaming community. Lucid dreamers unite here since 1996.

www.ld4all.com

At the very least, the touching and repetition will affect the subconscious mind.

Awesome, thanks, I'll definitely try that.

What my co-workers (some) do. Is set an alarm to wake up. But the alarm is their minds. They tap on their arm or forhead a number of times with a number of fingers. They then go to sleep without any mechanical alarm. They then wake up EXACTLY at the time they tapped on their body.

That sounds interesting. Is there anything specific they did to learn that?

Also I would highly recommend that you practice Concentrative meditation and Mindfulness to stay focused on the present moment during the day so that mindfulness carries over into your dream life. It will help you develop the kind of attention you need for lucid dreaming.

Yes...meditation doesn't come easily to me. My mind is always full of thoughts unless I'm busy on something specific. Which I know is the reason it's difficult for me to go back to sleep after waking up in the wake back to bed technique. Last night I tried concentrating on an imaginary sound and repeating it over and over. It was more successful than previous attempts rehearsing a mantra over and over in my mind. For some reason after a little while the words become garbled in my mind and I can hardly even think about them. The sound I chose evolved over time, interestingly.

 

[Sandtrout]

Yo I've found this man Dr. Rory Sweeney aka Dreamwarrior on youtube to have excellent info on lucid dreaming. His info has helped me greatly. DMT definitly can affect your dreaming systems; I friend of mine had an incredibly wicked dream the day after he smoked a small dose of DMT. I've found miniscule amounts of 4-HO-DMT to help trigger more lucid dreams.

Check out the dreamwarrior on youtube:

 

[SpartanII]

Yes...meditation doesn't come easily to me. My mind is always full of thoughts unless I'm busy on something specific.

I hear ya, but it's a little easier if you don't try to force the thoughts out and instead just focus on sounds and physical sensations that are happening in the present moment. Take the meditation into your daily life- focus on the feeling of walking, the breeze against your face, the sounds of cars going by, the rustle of leaves, the feeling of air moving through your nose as you breath. This will carry over into your dreams, training your attention so you won't be on auto-pilot which will make your dream awareness and reality checks much more effective.

 

[coffeeorsomething]

I was skeptical of this method, but after a couple nights I went lucid for a brief period (after having not attained lucidity for at least 2 years.) I was dreaming of my house, and I thought "Wait, this doesn't look right at all." and went lucid for about 15 seconds before awakening. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd do it more often and would probably get more results.

LD4all ~ the Lucid Dreamers’ Community

The longest living online lucid dreaming community. Lucid dreamers unite here since 1996.

www.ld4all.com

At the very least, the touching and repetition will affect the subconscious mind.

I have run through the method once before bed for the past two nights and then laid down to go to sleep on my back with my hands on my belly to do 'pot-shaped breathing' and tried to meditate on an imagined sound or techno beat. Both nights after a while I would start to day dream or something, like thinking I was listening to a conversation etc., then remembering to continue the techno beat. After a little while of this an image would appear before my eyes. In the next moment I realize I'm seeing an image and it's exciting so instantly I feel myself become more alert and the image dissolves. Was this the beginning of a wake-initiated lucid dream?

 

[7Entities]

First off anyone here seen Waking Life? It has some info of lucid dreaming in it. But for me when it comes to lucid dreaming i try to do it every night before i go to bed. I use cannabis to help me. What i do is smoke some cannabis then lay back and just start thinking. I just let my mind think and never really focus on that i am thinking. Then i try to "side think" or think without losing my flow of thoughts that i am having, and imagine my body died or numb. Now i it doesn't always happen but this my process. But when i get it enjoy it. I love when lucid dreaming when i think about trying to move my arm or leg and cant and the feeling that arises of no control is wonderful. Also to know that i am contained to this body forever.

Also sometimes i try to think of something that scares me so that i am frightened into a lucid dream. This sometimes works fast for me but also will effect what i lucid dream about to. Yet another thought before i go, is that when i am high and you feel your body "tingle" that's what i focus on. To mean it help cause i feel like when i am high that my body pulses (which it does from your heart beat). This pulse will start at my heart the spread and once finished i am one step closer.

Hope this helps

 

[Super Radical]

I had my first lucid dream a little while ago.
But I barely remember it...

I think the use of any psychedelic and regular meditation can increase the likelihood of lucid dreaming. In my experience.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

This is not lucid dreaming, but.

I having vivid dreams lately. I had a nightmare last night. I was looking at my wife and her face morphed and tweaked. Scared me and I woke up moaning. Strange because DMT is what has sparked me to have vivid dreams.
I am trying to control them more now though. WIP!

 

[RoGu3]

I had a hyperspace dream last night. I smoked Salvia in this gigantic mall/museum like thing with crazy weird objects and Terence McKenna was there too I think and he showed me a really cool pipe. I smoked salvia and had an even trippier dream than what was already going on.

But to the OP, you should try meditating right before sleep that might help a lot. The trick is to be the observer of your thoughts, don't participate in them, it's like looking through a two way mirror once you get it down and it will help you stay deeper in the moment which comes with stilling the mind, you can tap into the silence and feel some crazy things. Or try eating something spicy RIGHT before sleep to induce really vivid and/or lucid dreams. Another thing that will help is not smoking weed, that's a guaranteed method right there. I have had acid/DMT esque trip dreams since I was a little kid

I even had a dream once where the walls in my house obliterated and I was on top of a fountain (think Niagara falls in a circular fashion on top of the sky, the water was dropping to nowhere) then all I see is decayed ruins and the statue of liberty all messed up, along with other buildings, it felt like the end of the world, I woke up feeling high, with the after glow of a psychedelic trip :shock: that was the only time that ever happened

 

[rjb]

In my experience, DMT can and will affect your dreams/lucid dreams/astral projection experiences. I tried this out a couple of times actually, but came to the conclusion that it's not productive at all. I mean, for me personally, DMT takes away the meaning from the dream. It seems to "break" the control switch you usually have in your dreams, and accelerates everything about 100x (including the amount and diversity of "stuff" you'll encounter during your dream). While this is interesting and you can have very intense dreams this way, I don't find it very appealing to work with, since it's harder to find the meaning of the dream and relate it to the real life. It can be helpful if you're trying to get used to out of body experiences, though.

As for "directing" the dream, concentration is an important factor. The better you can concentrate on the purpose of the experience you're trying to have, the more chances you have of achieving it (this is also helpful to remember during the experience itself). Relaxation is another very important step, and DMT can aid here, it can teach you to relax your body. Daydreaming is a "precursor" for AP/LD experiences. So is visualisation. Some times, it works for me if I count from 1 to 10 (or 10 to 1), but also imagining those numbers in the blackness in front of my eyes. But as far as all techniques are concerned, they might work sometimes and for some people and not for others. That's why it's important to keep your patience, and try various combinations until you've found what works for you the best.

 

[DNA]

I found lucid dreaming quite easy. I did reality checks during the day and I woke myself up multiple times during the night.

 

[Dethrone]

I have had multiple lucid dreams after almost all of my breakthroughs.I believe its the reality checks I do after I have a profound breakthrough.Normally I dont do reality checks or remember many of my dreams,but after these experiences I am walking around for days thinking "is this real?,is reality real?am I real?".And this transfers to my sleep I guess because I start to do it then as well.

After trying DMT for the first time I dreamed that I was going on DMT trips for weeks,sometimes it felt like all night I was dreaming about it.

After my recent salvia breakthroughs I have been lucid dreaming every night for at least a week.These ones have been waking me up 2 to 3 times a night because the feeling I get is exactly like the one I got from my most recent breakthrough.