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Making 10x leaf

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Caapi leaf is just THH and harmine BTW. one could just take freebase THH and Harmine and add it to which ever smoking leaves one wishes. Some like the addition of the vine which also has harmaline in it... it does seem to really intensify its effects... but its less clear.
One could just take freebase THH and add that to some ethanol/IPA/ACE which ever and then add spice and evap that onto ones smoking blend. which ever herbs SWIY prefers. There is a kinnikinik smoking blend that is really amazing, you usually find it at herb shops or native american shops or new age book stores.


SWIM thinks you may be right about that.
 
SWIM wants to do both, he's actually soaking caapi yellow vine (50g in ethanol for a month) to make 20X enhanced herbs (he hasn't got caapi leaves)
and different pure harmalas.
What ratio (they are different) should it be given that I read caapi copy is 0.3g for 1 g spice
what about pure THH and pure harmaline ?
It should be a stronger harmala ratio for THH and lower for harmaline given their respective strenght as MAOI.
 
That sounds good rOm, people are using pure alks too and its working great. There are certain reasons for getting large doses of say harmine or harmaline into the brain pan quick... but thats a secret project... high doses of the harmalas can be VERY beneficial... lets just leave it at that.

you could use naptha...
 
I made a tiny batch of 'enhanced' mullein as follows:

100 mg mullein
5 mg caapi copy
105 mg dmt

So would this be the equivalent of 5x caapi with 1:1 (dmt : fake 5x Caapi) ?

Also I dissolved the dmt and the caapi copy in 10 ml acetone in a 50 ml beaker. I added the mullein into the beaker, and let it evaporate this afternoon. Within a few hours I had kind of sticky mullein leaf. Now, 12 hours later, it is pretty dry.

I am considering smoking a test dose of 30 mg tomorrow. Any opinions on this amount or about this formulation? Should I allow more drying time? I hope to not repeat an experience that ms_maniac_minxx had described in a recent thread on Changa => here.
 
No that wouldnt make a 5x caapi. It would be Caapi Copy Changa:)

And yes, it looks good to smoke, 30mg is a bit on the low side, but test it out. You could always smoke more if needed.
 
Hey I've never tried changa but have just got into the idea and ordered a mix of some herbs. Iread earlier in this post that someone doesn't care for ACE but I really don't mind using it and its readily available. Does it work the same as IPA? I would have to order high grade IPA or EtOH but ACE can be bought right up the road.
 
Yessir I always look up the msds on all my solvents. I'm getting caapi(makin 15x), calea, mullein, heima and pedicularis. That sound like a tasty mix for a first timer?

edit: white sage will be used in place of heima. gotta hear what the extradimensionals have to say and can't find a place to get heima with a money order
 
rivea said:
I made a tiny batch of 'enhanced' mullein as follows:

100 mg mullein
5 mg caapi copy
105 mg dmt

So would this be the equivalent of 5x caapi with 1:1 (dmt : fake 5x Caapi) ?

Also I dissolved the dmt and the caapi copy in 10 ml acetone in a 50 ml beaker. I added the mullein into the beaker, and let it evaporate this afternoon. Within a few hours I had kind of sticky mullein leaf. Now, 12 hours later, it is pretty dry.

I am considering smoking a test dose of 30 mg tomorrow. Any opinions on this amount or about this formulation? Should I allow more drying time? I hope to not repeat an experience that ms_maniac_minxx had described in a recent thread on Changa => here.
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5mg of caapi copy is only enough for 15mg dmt and 10mg muellein, you should use 35mg caapi copy for 105mg dmt (and 70mg muellein).
 
justine said:
rivea said:
I made a tiny batch of 'enhanced' mullein as follows:

100 mg mullein
5 mg caapi copy
105 mg dmt

So would this be the equivalent of 5x caapi with 1:1 (dmt : fake 5x Caapi) ?

Also I dissolved the dmt and the caapi copy in 10 ml acetone in a 50 ml beaker. I added the mullein into the beaker, and let it evaporate this afternoon. Within a few hours I had kind of sticky mullein leaf. Now, 12 hours later, it is pretty dry.

I am considering smoking a test dose of 30 mg tomorrow. Any opinions on this amount or about this formulation? Should I allow more drying time? I hope to not repeat an experience that ms_maniac_minxx had described in a recent thread on Changa => here.
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5mg of caapi copy is only enough for 15mg dmt and 10mg muellein, you should use 35mg caapi copy for 105mg dmt (and 70mg muellein).
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While 5mg of CC is low, its better to start low and work your way up.
Now making a blend like you advised seems to be a bit heavy on the DMT side, or low on mullein. DMT to herb is best at 1:1, then throw in some harmalas:)
 
When enhancing caapi with acetone is it necessary to have it dry? I know it would evap quicker if it were but aren't the harmalas water soluble in their natural form? I'm hoping someone says yes to this. Just got some vine in and without thinking i just dropped 10g in a jar & poured in some ACE without drying it. Did I mess up or will it just take a bit longer? I won't forget to dry it whe infusing with spice for sure!:lol:
 
Thats fine if the Acetone is wet, no worry there.

You dont have to use dry Acetone when infusing, a little water is fine.
 
Ok gooood! I realized I don't have any leaf so I'm gonna infuse it straight to my smoking blend. Was worrying too much I guess. Can't say this enough but you guys are wonderful people!
 
DMTripper said:
Isn't it ok to use naptha (coleman fuel) to soak the caapi? Does it need to be IPA or some kind of alcohol?
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I imagine it has to do with evap times - acetone is EXTREMELY quick to evap, and IPA is only a little slower. Unless someone corrects me, I am pretty sure that naptha is fine, but will take longer. Although another potential factor is contamination - a lot of naptha has rust inhibitors added and a whole lot of other junk added (coleman's for example; try an evap test on your coleman's - it will leave a fluorescent turquoise residue. NOT GOOD). My understanding is that commercially available acetone is generally much cleaner (always worth verifing through documentation or an evap test), and 95-99% IPA is diluted with distilled water (the1-5%), which is nothing to worry about.

JBArk
 
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