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Making 10x leaf

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Kodama said:
Just a thought!
Should´t it be 90g of leaf evaporated onto 10g of leaf if you want to make 10x caapi leaf and not 100g onto 10g as the OP suggests? That would make it 10g of 11x caapi leaf the way I see it.
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Yep.
 
It's duration is very noticeable and that you can keep smoking it within the 10-15 minute window period for as long as you want, is really the only reason to make a concentrated caapi dose.
 
Does anyone have experience making 10x using fresh leaf? I have a thriving plant in my window! I have heard that the alkaloid content will be higher with fresh leaves. How much will the fresh weight of the leaf affect my final extract? If I want to make 10x with fresh leaf what is the best way to proceed?

Thanks,
Once
 
Once said:
Does anyone have experience making 10x using fresh leaf? I have a thriving plant in my window! I have heard that the alkaloid content will be higher with fresh leaves. How much will the fresh weight of the leaf affect my final extract? If I want to make 10x with fresh leaf what is the best way to proceed?

Thanks,
Once
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I have a caapi plant that I grew recently from seed. It looked good to start with but soon turned yellow and it looks like it's dying now.
Did you grow this plant from seed? How much light is it getting? Do you feed it with fertilizers?
 
Tripper,

I got my "Hawaiian Red Caapi" cutting from Heavenly Products last spring. When I got her, she has about 5 leaves, now she boasts upwards of 30! I keep her in an east facing window with filtered sun and water two or three times per week occasionally mixing in some VF-11 plant food. A close friend also purchased a Yellow Caapi as part of the same order, and his plant is thriving as well. The Yellow seems to has less leaves, but the leaves are huge! I'm hoping to get some nice homebrew changa from these ladies.

Good luck with your plant.
 
I think people should be aware that there are probably a lot of alkaloids being wasted with this method, even with extended soaking. I suggest NOT discarding the material after the soak, and doing an A/B extraction on it to retrieve alkaloids.

In freebase form, harmalas are already not very soluble in IPA/Acetone (significantly more-so in methanol but methanol is poisonous, so if anybody uses methanol instead, after its all evaporated add ethanol/acetone/IPA and evap again to get rid of methanol traces).

But in caapi the harmalas are naturally in salt form, so they will very likely be very very poorly soluble in ipa/acetone. Either freebase the material before the soak, and/or be sure to not throw it away and a/b extract afterwards
 
All I know is that an ethanol soak for smoke is highly effective all on it's own, maybe it's wasteful, but it's way and it works.
 
I recently did an A/B on some caapi that I soaked in heet twice, each time for 30+ days.

When I based it, nothing precipitated out. I based the hell out of it too and let it sit for a couple of days.

I don't believe one alcohol soak is enough, but I think that two soaks gets most everything.
 
Yeah as I said, methanol is a significantly better solvent than IPA and Acetone for harmalas. So still for people extracting with those other solvents, I suggest trying to A/B their products after soaking otherwise it can be a waste, even if their changa seems active.

Melodic, I suggest using a bit of ethanol/IPA/acetone or any less toxic solvent to soak up your changa and let evap again to make sure all methanol traces are out, even if it seems like theres no smell.. Maybe im over-prudent but I would say its better to place safe
 
I don't have much of the changa left but I will redissolve what I've got in some IPA.

I doubt that I will be using the menstrum method for caapi in the future.

It's great for other herbs such as Pau D Arco but I'm sold on gibrans caapi tek and infusing herbs with known amounts of harmalas vs the hit or miss you get with menstrums.
 
Melodic Catastrophe said:
I don't have much of the changa left but I will redissolve what I've got in some IPA.

I doubt that I will be using the menstrum method for caapi in the future.

It's great for other herbs such as Pau D Arco but I'm sold on gibrans caapi tek and infusing herbs with known amounts of harmalas vs the hit or miss you get with menstrums.
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I don't see why at all! Lol
Swim has extracted caapi leaf as well as vine with nothing but 190 proof ethanol for years and ears and years. Swim has evaped ethanol caapi vine extract in the oven and it crystalizes like instant coffee! That's then been capped and taken with dmt or MHRB extracted the same way with the clearest most beautiful aya experiences he had ever had with baolurely no purge.
The leaves after being soaked in ethanol are pale and brittle, and the menstrum is insanely potent. It can be taken subligually or orally and can be evaporated down infused onto leaf taking damn near every thing from the leaf. The effects are noticably MUCH stronger in effects then not... It does not just "seem" stronger at all. It also does not in any wy need to be converted to be effective smoked...
 
Also I've never used IPA methanol or acetone... There us just no need if you have high proof etoh over at the liquor store.
 
advice on quantities if anyone is proceeding with this: the leaf weighs nothing and has huge surface area and plenty of solvent is required. You will need at least 1.5 litres of solvent to cover 90g of leaf. I've just added 1L IPA to a 2 litre jar containing 90g caapi leaf and although everything is soaked through I have to tip the jar near horizontal before the liquid table is visible above the leaf quantity.
 
I'm using 70% IPA and do not own a rice cooker. Would reducing via crock pot, stove, or oven be safe? Would IPA be a significant fire hazard and would the harmalas be harmed by low heat? I figure 70% IPA will take quite a while to evap so any advice on a quicker way to reduce the volume would be appreciated!
 
Yeah a crock pot works. One thing swims done is take a small Pyrex dish or bowl and put that in a frying pan with a little bit of water in it. This evaps the solvent pretty fast. Hahaha sOme one needs to evap using a solar oven some time. I bet it would do the trick!
 
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