making ....sublingual DMT window payne..

[1Starway7]

This thread is about making your own sublingual dmt infused into gelatin squares...

Please bear with me....This is my second attempt to put a purified dmt salt into small gelatin squares ....it still needs sublingual testing ..with a reversable maoi...

starts out after first making dmt citrate ...thats dryed into a powder.. ..[in jar in lower left corner of photo 1744].....then mixing the citrate powder into a shot glass [shown in photo].... with melted gelatin capsuls untill it is compleatly mixed...[i used a shot glass and stirer in photo 1744]

the gelatin is melted buy pipetting small amount of hot distilled water over the capsuls and constantly stirring.....
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then pouring the thickened melted gelatin/dmt mix onto a mirror as seen in photo 1737...to dry...

when the gelatin is half dry it will feel like smooth slick plastic...and will dry further..

Alow the gelatin on the mirror to dry over night .... enough that squares can be cut from the gelatin... in a rubbery dry state .... photos..1746/...1747

after cutting the squares they will continue to dry even more untill they are hard and brittle....[cut squares when dry to touch and rubbery]

if you dont want brittle windowpaynes you can put the squares into an air tight jar with dark glass also keeping light out. and prevent more drying....

the compleatly hard /brittle gelatin squares will desolve under toung pretty fast..a little slower than the less dryed paynes...

in photo 1755 the squares are cut about a quarter inch each...and if desired alowed to dry like a hard plastic...

the... gelatin and dmt citrate.. will booth desolve easily in saliva under toung.....there will probibly be a need to take a...[ reversable maoi]... like in a tea..or chew rue seeds]....or something in a capsule 40 minutes before trying the sublingual squares...

The squares should work sublingually ...[if taken after a reversable maoi]....they desolve very easily in saliva...but may not work as well as ....5meo or lsd...two drugs that dont need an maoi....i need to know why this is so....when NNDMT needs an MAOI?


if the squares dont work well ..they are still active and can be used in capsules..with a reversable maio....dont try vaping dmt citrate...they need changed back to freebase for smoking... this is strictly for oral or sublingual use....

 

[Pandora]

Hmm interesting. Let us know if it works.

 

[Transform]

Ah, I branched this topic off from that other 'ideas bin' thread of yours already over here:

Thread 'windowpane DMT from its purified citrate'

Monday at 4:01 AM

After transforming .... un washed napatha pulls .... into... D. citrate.. [using the easy cleanup method].....then transforming the D citrate ......then..back into freebase....the results look quite impressive and clean!

Very white crystals! .... from the conversion back to freebase! zoom pictures... LAST TWO PICTURES ... [1700//1709]... AFTER DRYING OVER NIGHT APEARE VERY WHITE AND CLEAN AFTER SCRAPING IT UP!

looks very pure...

I just made ....DMT window payne....! similar to the way good ... LSD window payne used to come...

I simply melted empty clear...

• 1Starway7
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Bear with me and I'll merge stuff back together appropriately - but, while we're at it, where would you say your posts on DMT citrate purification should fit in in all of this?

 

[Transform]

Regarding the topic here, did you weigh any of the ingredients or the product in its final form? I'm guessing you're still aiming for a microdosing approach with these, perhaps, like you mentioned previously?

It should be possible to keep the squares flexible and prevent them from drying out by adding a suitable proportion of a humectant such as glycerine. I'm also wondering whether agar-agar would make a viable, vegetarian alternative - or are your gelcaps already vegetable gelatin?

Regarding the question of MAOI, 5-MeO-DMT has a bit of MAOI activity of its own so it breaks down less rapidly than N,N-DMT does via that route. LSD, of course, just works and is not vulnerable to the action of MAO owing to the particularities of its more complex molecular structure. Perhaps you could dust your squares with a suitable amount of freebase harmalas once they're solid but still moist - and this is where having some dosage calculations at hand would come in useful.

 

[1Starway7]

Regarding the topic here, did you weigh any of the ingredients or the product in its final form? I'm guessing you're still aiming for a microdosing approach with these, perhaps, like you mentioned previously?

It should be possible to keep the squares flexible and prevent them from drying out by adding a suitable proportion of a humectant such as glycerine. I'm also wondering whether agar-agar would make a viable, vegetarian alternative - or are your gelcaps already vegetable gelatin?

Regarding the question of MAOI, 5-MeO-DMT has a bit of MAOI activity of its own so it breaks down less rapidly than N,N-DMT does via that route. LSD, of course, just works and is not vulnerable to the action of MAO owing to the particularities of its more complex molecular structure. Perhaps you could dust your squares with a suitable amount of freebase harmalas once they're solid but still moist - and this is where having some dosage calculations at hand would come in useful.

Even The hardened gelatin squares will soften up fairly quickly in saliva...and no i dont really have the dmt pre weighed?....i know is there is quit a decent amount of molecule in the napatha pulls..
i tryed some of the citrate days ago for 30 minutes ..and felt something ...but more ike a light stinulation...[no maoi used]
I think i sent a picture of a jar with napatha pulls that was just sitting next to the small freezer...and crystals were percipatating all through the napatha....just putting the solvent in the refrigerator for several hours after taking it out ...and first shaking the jar... produced hundreds of needels all through the napatha....
my last extraction was something over 500 grams of bark peices from the big island....
so yes i think it has a fair amount of the molecule in it...but i dont have accurate dosages..i figure the citric acid may ake uo 40 0r 50 percent and the rest dmt...

i may try to dropper on some rue on the squares and let it dry...or could i try some passion flower tea first?
And my dosages at first will be micro or better.....

Regarding the topic here, did you weigh any of the ingredients or the product in its final form? I'm guessing you're still aiming for a microdosing approach with these, perhaps, like you mentioned previously?

It should be possible to keep the squares flexible and prevent them from drying out by adding a suitable proportion of a humectant such as glycerine. I'm also wondering whether agar-agar would make a viable, vegetarian alternative - or are your gelcaps already vegetable gelatin?

Regarding the question of MAOI, 5-MeO-DMT has a bit of MAOI activity of its own so it breaks down less rapidly than N,N-DMT does via that route. LSD, of course, just works and is not vulnerable to the action of MAO owing to the particularities of its more complex molecular structure. Perhaps you could dust your squares with a suitable amount of freebase harmalas once they're solid but still moist - and this is where having some dosage calculations at hand would come in useful.

i think there is a dense amount of molecle in my last 500gram extraction...just not shure what the dosages are in each square...must be carefull..start at a low dose...
1498..represents 5 or 6 big napatha pulls or was it 8 pulls?? that i started out with........1501 and 15 02.. represents the napatha must have been fairly concintrated with molecule with crystals forming in the jar [outside] of the tiny dorm frige freezer... pictures.1503 and 1504 got very dense crystals sides of glass and thickly covered the bottom of jar when set it in large freezer overnight........photo ..1677 was after letting the dmt migrate from the dirty napatha into the acidic water...producing a cleaner dmt citrate that i evaperated out the water and crushed the dry dmt citrate...[photo 1677 drye dmt citrate...but not shure the percentage of citrate in the dmt citrate ...? i used 2 and one half full 00 capsuls of d citrate mixed into the geleton....how much per windowpayne...i dont know?
Have a question...ive never tryed sublingual...or oral dmt?...is it true that sublingual come up is genteler and slower than vaping and could last 0ne hour to 4 hours?


since ...cyclodextrin... is not good for hearing....i was concidering trying ....chitosan...to inhanse sublingul penetration ...
Chitosan (CS) acts as an effective permeation enhancer for fast sublingual delivery by enhancing drug solubility, binding to the mucosa, and opening tight junctions between epithelial cells. It improves absorption of hydrophilic drugs and macromolecules, often using mucoadhesive patches, films, or chitosan-based nanoparticles to speed up drug onset. i found out that ....

i found out that....Gelatin it self is a weaker form of .... ...mucoadhesive .... but chitosan ... [made from shell fish]... is superior ..mucoadhesive ..to gelatin...
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +3

• Mechanism of Action: Chitosan is a cationic polymer that, when applied to the mucosa, increases residence time and enhances paracellular transport by modulating tight junctions in the epithelium.

 

[JungleGhost]

Sounds awesome,nice werk!