MAOI Confusion

[jacetea]

I'm having trouble sifting through data related to taking DMT orally with a MAOI. Am I correct in thinking that you have to cook ground up Caapi vine and make it into a tea?

I do not have access to a stove, is there any other way to consume a MAOI before ingesting DMT?

 

[Madcap]

One could buy an extracted maoi..... Say THH. Mix that with some dmt fumarate in some water.

 

[۩]

There's this thing called the Herbal Peculator Method (THP) I think. There's a thread on the ayahuasca forums.
That would work perfect to make a wonderful caapi brew!!

Just found it on the Nexus:

The Herbal Percolator (THP) extraction method - DMT Allies extraction - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[jacetea]

Interesting, but how would I reduce the liquid after extracting? I have a microwave but I wouldn't want to nuke something like this......Could I just let it evaporate over time?

 

[The Traveler]

The THP is even on the Wiki: The Herbal Percolator - DMT-Nexus Wiki

 

[۩]

Interesting, but how would I reduce the liquid after extracting? I have a microwave but I wouldn't want to nuke something like this......Could I just let it evaporate over time?

I wonder if I could just stick it in the coffee maker and filter the liquid a few times? Vinegar can run through a coffee maker and it would heat the water to near boiling point. Any thoughts?

With THP you only use the amount of water needed for the brew, so no reduction necessary.

Hmmmm...a coffee maker could work, just make sure the water isn't too hot. I would run the brew through it a few times or more to pick up as many harmalas as possible.


p.s. Harmalas are RIMA

 

[jacetea]

Ah, just read someone tried a coffee maker but it doesn't filter fast enough. Those are annoying messes to clean up
Alright, thanks I'll try running with this method.

 

[۩]

Ah, just read someone tried a coffee maker but it doesn't filter fast enough. Those are annoying messes to clean up
Alright, thanks I'll try running with this method.

Other possibilities...

Cold water infusion for days. Shaking it up and filtering.

Tincture with high proof alcohol, shaken for days, filtered, and evaporated into a goo that can be encapsulated.

THP sounds like your best bet.

 

[jacetea]

Ok, last few questions.

With THP you only use the amount of water needed for the brew, so no reduction necessary.

So, for example...
10g powdered Caapi vine
1.5L water
20ml 5% vinegar

Drinking 1.5L of tea seems like a difficult task. I mean, if it comes down to it, I probably could drink it but...Hmm, perhaps I could put it in a coffee pot and let it simmer on the heater for a while.
What of the vinegar, do you drink that or does it evaporate somehow?

Hmm, I'm almost tempted to just try making an Ayahuasca brew now that you've pointed out this technique. Save myself all the nasty fumes and chemicals from extraction.
Thanks!

 

[۩]

1.5l for 10g? No way...
Try 100ml instead :]

You can use a bit of vinegar to make it acidic...but I prefer lemon juice because it's tastier.

If heat was used, acetic acid (vinegar) does boil off...while I don't think lemon juice does.

 

[jacetea]

100ml? The tek says to use 150ml per gram of herb...Would you just put 100ml down and then re-filter a bunch of times?

 

[۩]

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It "simulates" caloric restriction which has been studied to extend the life of organisms by 20-35%!

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I have absolutely no idea what this has to do with ayahuasca though????

100ml? The tek says to use 150ml per gram of herb...Would you just put 100ml down and then re-filter a bunch of times?

I've never done THP it just makes more sense to use less....

 

[jacetea]

Er, you'll have to forgive my ignorance of the subject...My goal was to figure out a way to consume a MAOI without brewing it into a tea, but I heard Caapi was best. Then you mentioned the THP tek which can make Caapi into a tea without cooking it. Then I had a brain click because it said this also works for MHRB, so I thought why not make MHRB tea using this method? Consume the Caapi tea, then the MHRB tea. Anyway, I'm skeptical about using 100ml of water because it still has to break down the powder to extract the goodies. Which is why I was confused and assumed you would have to run it through many times with smaller amounts of water. Apparently heating the water before filtering can allow you to use alot less of it. Perhaps that's the best way to do it.

Sorry for the confusion, I didn't explain myself. I am completely confused about ayahuasca lol, my logic is that using 5g - 9g of MHRB would be cheaper than using extracted dmt.

 

[prottel]

Can't you buy a slow cooker/crock pot?

The THP should work, although usually, large amounts of water is used with this method. The first part that comes out should be quite potent, but if you only extract a small amount with hot water, you will probably lose more than 50-60% of the actives. It is also possible to powder the caapi, then encapsulate them. If you are sensitive to the caapi, 20 capsules should work.

But I'd advice you to get something to heat it on, such as a crock pot, which is cheap.

 

[freethinker]

Although not nearly as pleasant as cappi, you can do a cold water infusion with syrian rue very easily:

- grind up 2-5 grams of syrian rue seeds (suggest 2 the first time and work up)
- put it in a small glass juice jar (single serving, 8-12 oz)
- fill it about 2-3rds with water (optionally pre-heated in microwave)
- optionally, add a couple tablespoons of lemon juice
- cover
- leave overnight
- shake often
- filter
- drink (optionally, add some honey to help the flavor)

 

[flyboy]

Although not nearly as pleasant as cappi, you can do a cold water infusion with syrian rue very easily:

It's really not the same experience with caapi as with rue?

Also i thought rue an be eaten whole seed for effect?

 

[jamie]

You dont want to eat rue seeds...
I would do an extraction with rue or better yet try some caapi.

 

[Pandora]

I've had success with 2.5 grams whole rue seeds (no purge) and 3.0 ground rue seeds (one quick, easy purge, then done). No cooking needed.

Peace & Love,
Pandora

 

[jamie]

Syrain rue is toxic..
Caapi is not..I can always feel the toxins in rue..so I dont use it anymore, unless I extract it, but even then I still like caapi more.

 

[69ron]

Although not nearly as pleasant as cappi, you can do a cold water infusion with syrian rue very easily:

It's really not the same experience with caapi as with rue?

No it's not. They contain different alkaloids. Caapi contains THH, harmine and a little harmaline, while rue contains harmine, harmaline, and a little harmalol. Caapi has no harmalol, and rue has only traces of THH sometimes. There are other trace alkaloids also that differ between these two plants.

The main difference between caapi and rue is that caapi contains a ton of THH and rue contains a ton of harmaline. THH and harmaline are extremely different alkaloids. They feel almost nothing alike. Harmaline is a sedative and THH is more of a stimulant, harmaline is very stoning like marijuana, while THH is very clear headed. Harmine is common to both and is normally the main alkaloid of the two, so that’s where the similarity between caapi and rue originates.

Also i thought rue an be eaten whole seed for effect?

Yes it can. Some people put the seeds in capsules as is. It’s better to make tea and strain out the solids though. An extraction is best of course. The same is true for caapi. Eating caapi whole is hard on the stomach, making a tea is better, and an extraction is best.