MDAI and N,N-

[Orion]

Well it was bound to happen eventually. MDAI, in my limited experience, is only a little different from MDMA. Since it's a non-neurotoxic variant and seemed to not present any hazard in combination with the spirit molecule, I decided to finally try the two together. After all, DMT is a nice partner to so many substances.

So I took 150mg of pearly white MDAI stirred into water. After about half an hour I felt fuzzy and and warm, despite the cold temperature. I enjoyed myself for a few hours, relaxing and listening to music etc. I was apprehensive about vaping DMT at the peak, I was too 'buzzy' at the time.

After the plateau, I started to wind down, more relaxed now, but still very much feeling it. This is when I decided I would try some DMT after all. I loaded up a dose in the pipe and took some small tokes. What an odd effect it had. I could feel my nerves, a wave of energy came over me. More than I expected, I was barely touching the spice. My keyboard was forcing itself into my awareness, keys seemed to multiply, their space occupied by many versions of eachother. For the hours I was toking, there were constant kaleidoscopes appearing and disappearing at random points in space all around me. I had no CEVs, but the OEVs were strong, they looked like miniature golden shimmering RGB stars, pinpoint mandalas, both real and not real at the same time.

I expected to be seeing things when I closed my eyes, but all I had was static. Often everything had a feeling of 'redness', I find this difficult to put into words.

Vaporizing a stiff dose of DMT on the peak of MDAI will probably be far more intense. I didn't even expect such an interaction, but I was pleasantly surprised. Even after the usual freebase duration, I still had the kaleidoscope pinpoints appearing, which were absent before smoalking. It's almost like the combination tuned me into something.

After the experience and before bed I didn't notice any negative effects, no headaches or nausea, nothing besides sleepiness at a late hour.

There is probably a lot more can be explored with this combo, but that's all I have for now.

Cheers.

 

[christian]

Hello Orion.

-Interestingly enough i was also reading about something similar this morning. I was remembering someone mentioning the benefit of taking mdma on the tail part of a 2 cb trip-.the reason being to help assimilate the benefits of the trip ...probably because of mdma's excellent properties of maintaining a non judgemental mindset??.

-Mdai being similar(but non stimulating)- may therefore be useful on a DMT trip tail end, for the purpose of a better understanding and integration of the rather short trip?? Just a silly guess....:idea:

-Sounds like a good tool for further explorations, Orion!

 

[Pandora]

Fascinating report Orion. Thank you for sharing. Hope you don't mind if I pepper you with questions and comparisons.

I have tried MDMA + DMT about 4 times. 3 of those times it utterly failed - nothing but a mild body load and this from a breakthrough dose. One time it worked epically and I went to heaven.

MDAI sounds appealing as Erowid describes it as less potent and less stimulating than MDMA. I find myself VERY sensitive to MDMA and do not like the "speedy" effects.

So, OEV's but no CEV's other than redness? I presume the lights were low when you got these effects.

So, are you saying that before the DMT you weren't tripping but after it you were and that this effect lasted longer than a regular DMT trip (by itself) would? Is that what you meant by turned you into something? Or something else?

Did you still have the visuals when you went to bed?

Did you perhaps happen to notice any erotic potential with either the MDAI or this combination?

Thanks again.

Peace & Love

 

[Orion]

Not at all Pand, glad to share.

Yes I did load a breakthrough dose very late on, I should have mentioned this. 20mg gave me one heck of a body load, but I didn't seem to go anywhere, but I think this is just because I had been vaping for a long time, I generally need a stiffer dose if I want to go deeper (If I have been toking for a long time).

The redness was a visual effect (open eyed), it seemed to force itself at me, much like my quasi-multiplied keyboard. The lights where dim, yes.

I wasn't tripping before I took any DMT, and yes, these strange kaleidoscope effects lasted almost the entire duration up until the MDAI finally wore off, which was just before I turned in for the night. I washed some dishes and I could see them popping here and there, into my field of vision, and inside pieces of text on the nexus. I remember someone saying 'F*CK' and one appeared inside the word, it was hilarious.

Erotic, hmm, MDAI on it's own certainly made me more than a bit 'lovey' Given the right stimulus I'd bet it would have the same erotic effect as MDMA or suchlike, but not in combination with DMT. The soft fuzzy empathogen/entactogen effects shifted into a more psychedelic unstable zone. Almost a slight dissociative feeling, especially when I first started vaping, my hands and face were buzzing and my keyboard was beaming at me.

I've never had that feeling from DMT alone.

Hope I answered clearly enough.

My suggestion to test an even stronger effect would not be taking more DMT, but take more MDAI from the start. Somehow I feel that's the key here. Also smoking DMT earlier during the MDAI experience, perhaps even at the peak. I did the sensible thing and chickened out of that. I think there is a sweet spot to be found here, as with all combinations.
Of course I encourage safety and emphasis on calculated risks at all times.

 

[SHroomtroll]

hmm i always had a prejudice against all these new stims since all the mephedrone stories ive heard.

I always thought mdai was some nasty mdma wannabe but reports like this makes me more interested, i´m not a big fan of mdma since it puts me in a crazy binge mode and i don´t really like stimulating drugs to much.

Maybe i will try this someday.

 

[imPsimon]

MDAI is probably the worst drug I have ever tried.
Initial effects are as expected and nice, mdma without stimulation.
Mdma gives me zero comedown while this mdai gave me by far the worst comedown ever.
Went superparanoid thought that the media was after me and I was gonna
get caught by the police.
Ended up flushing down all my psychs! All that's left is a little vine and some chakruna.

I think I have read on bluelight about people getting monster comedowns from this one.
Some of my friends went really paranoid aswell.

Anyone else feel like shit from mdai?

 

[kemist]

Ended up flushing down all my psychs! All that's left is a little vine and some chakruna.

I think I have read on bluelight about people getting monster comedowns from this one.
Some of my friends went really paranoid aswell.

:shock: LOL that`s what i call paranoia .

It seems they were entirely different batches ILPT has some with very mild effects and his friend didn`t feel much even after he had more then was recomended.


How much did swim take and how it looked like brother ?

 

[christian]

MDAI is probably the worst drug I have ever tried.
Initial effects are as expected and nice, mdma without stimulation.
Mdma gives me zero comedown while this mdai gave me by far the worst comedown ever.

--Very good point!...The pearly white MDAI also can be very nauseous on the come up on high doses of 250mg, and can leave one terribly depressed days later.Awful sickly stuff!!... There is also a golden sparkly mdai which at 250mg seems more euphoric and doesn't give nausea, and seems kinder on the comedown, i read, but apparently only one stockist has it??

--However, the dmt might lessen the comedown effects.

--just something that i read anyway-not that i would know!

 

[imPsimon]

My MDAI was white as far as I can remember.
Took 120mgs when I entered a sensation white party and about 60mg after about 2hrs.
When I started to come down I thought that everybody(about 30 000)
inside the arena were making fun of my dancing and taking pictures and videos of me.
Got paranoid thinking that the cabby on ride home was going to beat me up and rob me so
i sat with a 911 number ready on the display.
When I came home I saw reporters with cameras in all the cars
on the street and in the windows opposit my house.
I thought that every car that drove by was the police.
I also sent messages to my friends with sensation white youtubelinks that
to me looked like people had filmed me.
Pressure just got to much and didn't want to go to jail so I flushed everything i had
at home, even the legal stuff I had.

...no more mdai for me that's for sure. =)

 

[Orion]

I'm pretty sure you guys must have got the usual stuff that's been going around for quite some time, there is a brown, tan and a white version. The pure stuff should be almost totally white, but there is some bunk stuff going around which is also white. 120mg should absolutely NOT make you flip like that. I only know of ONE SINGLE reliable source for this compound. I can't speak for anywhere else.

The reputation of this RC is so obscure at the moment due to this disregard from so many companies, it's shameful.

 

[q21q21]

MDAI is very different person to person.

Now personally I can't say much cause MDMA doesn't give me euphoria so comparison would be useless but I read tons about the similar chems and have tried methylone, mephedrone, flephedrone and MDAI and MDAI has by far the most negative reviews in combination or alone

 

[Orion]

Of course it does, all most all the stuff sold as it is either a hydrated product or a mix, or god knows what, like I said. Almost every bad reviewer, when questioned, has shown they have not got a reliable test sample or the source was bad. I guess I'm glad to be in the UK where the only reliable online vendor is. And I don't think they ship to the US either. Obviously I can't say the name here. It's a matter of finding the original source for this vendor and finding who they supply to. I bet there's like one lab producing the real thing, and only a few suppliers keeping it pure. Just like MXE in the early days. Only with MDAI it seems far worse.

 

[kemist]

Of course it does, all most all the stuff sold as it is either a hydrated product or a mix, or god knows what, like I said. Almost every bad reviewer, when questioned, has shown they have not got a reliable test sample or the source was bad. I guess I'm glad to be in the UK where the only reliable online vendor is. And I don't think they ship to the US either. Obviously I can't say the name here. It's a matter of finding the original source for this vendor and finding who they supply to. I bet there's like one lab producing the real thing, and only a few suppliers keeping it pure. Just like MXE in the early days. Only with MDAI it seems far worse.

ILPT know this vendor and he has a very good amt too, amt from different supplier was tanned and smelled like plastic( almost like burn dmt ) and gave him this weird headache like sensation , and kinda iregular hearbeat.

Impurity definitelly caused yoyr paranoia imopsimon, once ilpt had impure JWH 018 and almost KILLED himself, extremely nasty anxiety which nake him restrain from canabinoids (even weed) for many months.


Some of the dirties chineese labs don`t give a fuck, if vendor doesn`t give fuck either and resell it further without analysing consequencies my be FATAL.

No Rc`s for parrot or ILPT atm

 

[q21q21]

Of course it does, all most all the stuff sold as it is either a hydrated product or a mix, or god knows what, like I said. Almost every bad reviewer, when questioned, has shown they have not got a reliable test sample or the source was bad. I guess I'm glad to be in the UK where the only reliable online vendor is. And I don't think they ship to the US either. Obviously I can't say the name here. It's a matter of finding the original source for this vendor and finding who they supply to. I bet there's like one lab producing the real thing, and only a few suppliers keeping it pure. Just like MXE in the early days. Only with MDAI it seems far worse.

Totally seen that before in many of the posts. I got it from a highly reputable UK supplier, same that stocks my MXE but as I said my report is useless since none of the mentioned chems have ever given euphoric effects to me for more than 20 minutes and on less than 10% of the times I took them so saying that my MDAI gave me no euphoria and a nasty hangover would be the same as all of them. (poor me right?)