FiorSirtheoir said:
My intention is to boarder on heroic with my first go, I will eventually get on MHRB extraction but want to try the oral first, I think. So, any feed back on what I have in my possession would be appreciated.
lol. You sound like I did when I first arrived here. Why do you want to do a heroic dose on your fist go? You don't even know what that really means until you're there. Why not try out a "brave" dose and then see if you would even want to go heroic?
I hope you weren't talking about using the whole 25g rue and 50g mimosa. That's beyond heroic, that's just sickness in a bottle, I would even say that is a potential fatal dose. Even 9g of rue is a ridiculous dose that will knock you down for 12 hours and make you feel very very sick, and volcanic vomitismo like you've never experienced before. 25g of rue is a potentially dangerous dose. I've never heard of anyone taking more than 12g of rue, and those who have regret it. 25g rue could be very dangerous. Combine the extreme rue overdose with an absurd dose of 50g mimosa, and it might kill you. You'd probably be lucky enough to throw up your skeletal system before all the actives get through your stomach, but still I think that dose is potentially deadly. Perhaps the biggest threat with a dose like that is choking on your own vomit while you might be unconscious.
Typical rue dose is 3g and anything over 5g will probably make you sick. At those doses, it's not even the plant material that will make you feel sick. The harmalas themselves will make you feel sick. Both rue and mimosa can make you sick. Mimosa is more likely to make you feel sick in small amounts because it is loaded with tannins. In large doses, the harmalas themselves from rue is what makes you feel sick. Large combinations of both will having you throwing up your socks.
You say you want a heroic ayahuasca dose and without a purge? Are you sure you've read as much as you need about this stuff? You almost certainly will throw up on a big dose if you're using boiled plant material. 5g of rue + 10g of mimosa sounds like a heroic dose to me. Make sure you measure it accurately.
It is highly advisable to follow the maoi diet before taking ayahuasca, or fast for a day. MAOI's are dangerous to take with foods containing tyramine because the maoi will prevent the breakdown of tyramine, which could cause a heart attack. Syrian Rue and B. Caapi are RIMA's, not MAOI's. As such, literature suggests that RIMA are highly selective for MAO-A, which leaves MAO-B unaffected and available to metabolize excessive levels of tyramine. HOWEVER!!!!! Even though that's what is said on paper, those with experience will tell you that if they eat tyramine rich foods before taking ayahuasca, more uncomfortable symptoms are experienced including, rapid heart rate, lots of tremors, strange breathing, and unusual muscle contractions or tension. These symptoms can be present without eating tyramine rich foods, but the symptoms do seem to increase if the maoi diet is not followed. Therefore, experience suggests that the maoi diet IS important to follow, and that not doing so MAY be putting yourself at greater risk.
