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Among the strains of rue that I have worked with, I would say all except one were both lighter in energy and also more oriented to "divine light" than my experiences with caapi. The one outlier strain was just very serious and stern vs the euphoric joy of the others. I wouldn't call it dark. Caapi has different strains with different qualities also.
 
dithyramb said:
Among the strains of rue that I have worked with, I would say all except one were both lighter in energy and also more oriented to "divine light" than my experiences with caapi. The one outlier strain was just very serious and stern vs the euphoric joy of the others. I wouldn't call it dark. Caapi has different strains with different qualities also.
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This can actually make a Difference. People don’t think about it, but Plants can vary a lot based on Region. If You look at Marijuana Landrace Strains as an example, they are the Different Strains from Different Regions that appear in the Wild, then Strains from like Dispensaries and Things most People know are all Different from each other also. But these are mostly Landrace Rue Strains we are Dealing with, I have one coming from India and the one I have now is from America, and I’m expecting them to be somewhat Different.

Another example apart from Marijuana is Yams, like Captain Cooke came to the Islands West of the Americas and was like “Who brought these Yams here” and modern Science had determined that no one did, because the Yams are like so Genetically Distinct that they are like something like Millions of Years apart from each Other or something like that it was. So the Yams are that Different between like Asia and the Area around Hawaii. And this Applies to Rue also.
 
Hello everyone!

Yesterday I tried my aya drink and it was strange. I need some help here.

I had 40g MHRB and 80g b. caapi. I boiled them in seperate pots three times and filtered them. let them stay for some days in fridge.
Yesterday I tried it with my wife. I assumed that caapi is not enough, så I crushed 1.1g of syrian rue for each person and took it with about 1/4 of caapi vine. After about 30 min we drank 1/4 of mimosa drink each.
My wife purged a few minutes after drinking aya drink and right after it, she had a full breakthrough with lots of laughs. She was laughing almost 1 hour and had what she was supposed to. But I sat there with almost no change in me. We drank the same amount from the same drink. Then I though maybe I have to drink a little bit more, so I did. I ended up purging, then felt heavy in my head a little bit. I had the feeling of laughing just a little bit and that was it. It was like it was only a touch. I had a very bad headache most of this time.
Can someone help me to find out why it didn't work on me but the same worked on my wife?
 
That sounds like you didn't have enough MAOI. Caapi can vary in strength a lot, I recently had 75g of B. muricata and it was not particularly strong. It's very very unlikely that 20g caapi would be enough, or 20g caapi with 1g rue.
However your MHRB dose was quite high, so it has probably been for the best that you didn't have enough MAOI. For the first time, do not try more than 3g MHRB. This can be extremely strong for some people already: my girlfriend regularly goes out-of-body with under 2g (she's particularly sensitive).

So, if you're having only caapi, you need at least 50g per person, and likely more depending on its strength. If you're having only rue, you need at least 2g. And with those doses of MAOI, you would be wise to try under 3g of MHRB per person for the first time. Particularly your wife, who seems to be more sensitive to it. 10g MHRB with enough MAOI is a very extreme experience.
 
blig-blug said:
That sounds like you didn't have enough MAOI. Caapi can vary in strength a lot, I recently had 75g of B. muricata and it was not particularly strong. It's very very unlikely that 20g caapi would be enough, or 20g caapi with 1g rue.
However your MHRB dose was quite high, so it has probably been for the best that you didn't have enough MAOI. For the first time, do not try more than 3g MHRB. This can be extremely strong for some people already: my girlfriend regularly goes out-of-body with under 2g (she's particularly sensitive).

So, if you're having only caapi, you need at least 50g per person, and likely more depending on its strength. If you're having only rue, you need at least 2g. And with those doses of MAOI, you would be wise to try under 3g of MHRB per person for the first time. Particularly your wife, who seems to be more sensitive to it. 10g MHRB with enough MAOI is a very extreme experience.
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Thanks for the guide but I tried again with the same result.
This time I had 3.5g of SR and after 35 min I drank 3-4 g of mimosa brew together with my wife.
after 30 more minutes, she had the effects and I just waited there and nothing happenned to me. Although this time we both had a lighter nausea and never purged.

I start to believe there is something wrong with me because both times I drank even a little bit more but nothing happenned to me.

Can someone with experience help me here?
 
r3zjay said:
Thanks for the guide but I tried again with the same result.
This time I had 3.5g of SR and after 35 min I drank 3-4 g of mimosa brew together with my wife.
after 30 more minutes, she had the effects and I just waited there and nothing happenned to me. Although this time we both had a lighter nausea and never purged.

I start to believe there is something wrong with me because both times I drank even a little bit more but nothing happenned to me.

Can someone with experience help me here?
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Did you have the rue as a tea? If so, how did you make it?
 
r3zjay said:
But even so, we were 2 persons and one of us had it.
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Yes, it's either of these: Your wife is particularly sensitive and thus you're not making it correctly, the fix would be to make it correctly. Or you are quite insensitive to it, the fix would be for you to increase the dose. That's why I'm asking.

Seeds in capsules should work, but it could be that you digest them slower and so you weren't MAO inhibited when you had the Mimosa.

You can boil the seeds in a generous amount of water (one or two liters) acidified with some vinegar, 20ml or so per liter should be enough. Then, strain it and boil it until it's reduced to a drinkable amount. I'm sure @northape has more precise instructions, I usually have the extracted alkaloids from rue.

If you still don't get any effect, it will be clear that your sensitivity is low and you need to increase the dose. I would keep the amount of Mimosa fixed and increase the rue on 1g increments until you feel something, then increase more slowly (once you start inhibiting MAO effectively, effects increase much more steeply per dose increase). Once you've found the spot where you get clear, potent harmala effects and enough duration from Mimosa, you can increase the dose of Mimosa until you reach the point you prefer. You can also redose Mimosa several times in a single session, as well as harmalas, just be sure to wait enough until it's clear how strong the previous dose really is.
 
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r3zjay said:
No. I put it in 00 capsules. I don't know how to make it as a tea.

But even so, we were 2 persons and one of us had it.
Can you please tell me how should I prepare SR?
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Eating the seeds like that is not reliable, you'd need to wait at least 30 mins before taking the dmt

To prepare the tea, grind 3.5g per person in a coffee grinder and simmer for 30 mins. Keep enough water to have about a cup each at the end. Without grinding you should simmer it longer, 2h should be good.

If you haven't had a successful trip yet, do not take more than 5g mimosa. I would recommend starting with 3.

For the mimosa you can prepare it same as rue, if it's powdered 30 mins simmer is enough

Once you prepared both teas, drink the rue 10 mins before the mimosa
 
Sakkadelic said:
I remember he mentioned 30 mins for ground seeds
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Honestly, I just cooked whole seeds (3-4g) in 500ml acidified water for 30 minutes for many years with very good results. Just filter and reduce to a drinking volume.

If you grind your rue, it's going to be even stronger. It's like the most preferable way, I think. If there's someone who knows about rue teas here, it's @dithyramb. I learned everything from him. Now we're going to summon the whole Nexus here 😂

Making rue tea is extremely easy; these seeds are very forgiving. You need some good starting material, though. Seeds from Pakistan and Iran are usually good strength-wise. Moroccan seeds are in the mild range, I'd say. But then you can just add a bit more. You guys know it all better than me by now. I'm so old-school that I make a crude tea and then deal with it. I'd say your intention and general interest are the most important parts. If you're not just trying to get high but looking for a medicine, these plants are going to teach you how to prepare them. All one requires is courage and some common sense.

@Sakkadelic & @blig-blug, I'm so glad how far you've progressed. Never give up; there's always light at the end.
Much love 🤗❤️
 
Thanks for the reference, @northape. As you said the basic way of preparing rue tea is as simple as can be. I would take no pride in being a teacher of that. I prepare it a bit differently, my way is only transferable to those who can harvest their own fresh seeds and also have access to Russian olive.

About weak material; just increasing dose does not compensate, as the alkaloid and other component ratio itself is important; the other components can cloud the activity, even though I firmly believe with the right ratio (=having harmala potent seeds) the entirety (=crude tea or eating) is preferable. İt's interesting that with most DMT plants, increasing the dose with weaker material does compensate with less unwanted side effects.

Also as you say, the way the session is conducted is of fundamental importance, and that is something to learn and teach 🙏
 
r3zjay said:
Can you please tell me how should I prepare SR?
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I usually take 4 to 5g whole seeds that I hard boil in 70cl acidified water (pH 3-4) for about 45 minutes - more or less the time needed to evaporate most of the water - in a saucepan with closed lid. After that I discard seeds in a tea strainer, pour some water over them to adjust brew final amount (my preference is for about 15-20cl), press/crush the strained seeds with the back of a spoon, then I strain the brew through a cotton cloth -> ready to drink.
Acidifying water and boiling hard are the key for a successful rue tea, don't be afraid to turn up the heat, seeds are very tough. I constantly monitor the process, regularly stir, especially toward the end, to avoid burning the seeds when there is not much water left. This final step (stirring when there is not much water left) is important because it is at this stage that the temperature will rise the most and the seeds will release the most alkaloids.
I never had great success feeling effects from eating whole seeds when rue tea is very efficient.

Peace
 
I find acidifying to be unnecessary and making the brew too harsh. Use distilled water if you can, that is a better enhancement but it is not required. At the same time, finely grinding is a must for me to get the full potency of the seeds. Boil for 30 minutes to 1 hr. Filter, concentrate.
 
dithyramb said:
I find acidifying to be unnecessary and making the brew too harsh. Use distilled water if you can, that is a better enhancement. At the same time, finely grinding is a must for me to get the full potency of the seeds. Boil for 30 minutes to 1 hr. Filter, concentrate.
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However you're working with much better material than most of us (fresh, locally harvested rue seeds), keep that in mind. It could make good seeds too harsh but mediocre ones acceptable. Just as a possibility, I'm not saying that's necessarily the case.
 
dithyramb said:
I find acidifying to be unnecessary and making the brew too harsh. Use distilled water if you can, that is a better enhancement but it is not required. At the same time, finely grinding is a must for me to get the full potency of the seeds. Boil for 30 minutes to 1 hr. Filter, concentrate.
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Yes I totally agree with not acidifying, I find that it makes the taste much worse.
 
If you do need to acidify for some reason, e.g. hard water, I'd recommend using ascorbic acid (vitamin C) rather than vinegar. The latter has such a strong odour of its own that it makes an already unappealing brew something more like revolting or hideous, while ascorbic acid is essentially odourless*. One 80mg scoop per 3-5g rue dose should suffice.

*The ascorbic acidified brew will still be challanging to ingest - the flavour doesn't get cancelled out!
 
Transform said:
If you do need to acidify for some reason, e.g. hard water, I'd recommend using ascorbic acid (vitamin C) rather than vinegar. The latter has such a strong odour of its own that it makes an already unappealing brew something more like revolting or hideous, while ascorbic acid is essentially odourless*. One 80mg scoop per 3-5g rue dose should suffice.

*The ascorbic acidified brew will still be challanging to ingest - the flavour doesn't get cancelled out!
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Nice info, although it's a bit late for me 😂

I acidified rue tea for years with white vinegar and got used to the taste. Aya brew would be some gourmet stuff in comparison. If you test your water and adjust the amount of acid accordingly, even white vinegar works. However, as others have mentioned, it's totally unnecessary. Use distilled water if anything. I put myself through years of suffering because of pure stubbornness. Rue tea is as simple as it gets; don't complicate things.
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