mom learned i've smoked dmt and thinks im a junkie now

[magickalex]

over the years my mom has been worried sick about me doing drugs.

though the only drugs i do on a regular basis are cannabis and alcohol on the weekends. i trip very sparingly, maybe a couple of times a year.
she smoked pot when she was younger and has no problem with it, but she is still scared i do other drugs becuase she caught me tripping before in highschool and i have admitted past cocaine use to hr before.

i left my phone around my mother the other day and she read my text messages out of suspicion of my drug use i geuss....

i had been texting a friend about a recent smoked DMT experience of mine.

i had said things like "it felt so amazing this time. no anxiety! feel like i could do it every day. i didnt want to come back." (i personaly would never smoke DMT daily, or even weekly just out of respect for the intesnity of the experience. i was trying to stress how wonderful the experience felt.)
and we had discussed entity contact some too.

my mom flipped her shit.
it confirmed her suspiciouns that i did more than pot. (i kno she doesnt like or understand me doing psychedelics so i no longer engage in discussion with her about them in their defense)

she looked DMT up on google and apparently found some website talking about how addictive it is...:surprised

and the fact that dimethyltryptamine has the letters 'meth' in it.

now she has been trying to talk to me about my "drug problem". ive tried to explain to her the spiritual reasons why i am interested in DMT and she told me "its not real! its a drug!"
and the fact that i had smoked dmt maybe 4 times in the last 3 years. but she thinks im some sort of hard drug addict now and wwont beleive a wword i say. i got kicked out of my house as well.

it saddens me to no end that my mom thinks im a junkie. she really believes that and i dont want her to worry because i am not and wwill never be the junkie she thinks i am.

how can i convince her otherwise?

 

[dreamer042]

Have her read the FAQ on this website.

Show her the Erowid DMT vault.

Even the Wikipedia page is quite informative.

The "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" documentary and book.

Ayahuasca.com has some great information on the historical use of the molecule.

There is a lot of good information out there, the peer reviewed literature really speaks for itself about the safety of this compound.

 

[magickalex]

Have her read the FAQ on this website.

Show her the Erowid DMT vault.

Even the Wikipedia page is quite informative.

The "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" documentary and book.

Ayahuasca.com has some great information on the historical use of the molecule.

There is a lot of good information out there, the peer reviewed literature really speaks for itself about the safety of this compound.

i had considered this already but i still think she might chalk this all up as "druggies promoting their drug of choice"
but i still should show her.

she even asked me if i would be open to talking to this girl who is an ex-meth addict. possibly about going to narcotics anonymous.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

Sounds like she needs to mind her own business.

If you know your mother has such an infantile point of view about these things, you really ought to keep track of your belongings and personal details. Responsible use also includes mindfulness of how your actions effect those in your life, even if they are ignorant, irrational people.

Personally, I've never had an issue regarding drug use with my parents (at least not since I was a kid). They're reasonable people and know that I'm capable of taking care of myself and remaining responsible for my well-being, and that's that. Given, they're a bit less conservative than your average bear, but far from hippies... It's simply not an issue because we love each other, know each other mean well and are doing the best we can in the ways we know how, and are willing to listen to and learn from each other. That's all it ever takes, really.

 

[cyb]

i still think she might chalk this all up as "druggies promoting their drug of choice

I wouldn't say Rick Doblin, Rick Strassman, David Nutt or Graham Hancock come across as druggies...
More like very learned gentlemen who know a little more than the average mom...

Worth a try

 

[anrchy]

The newer documentary called, From neurons to nirvana would be a great doc for her to see.

You have to explain to her that there is misinformation on everything online. Show her that you can find BS info on anything and that she shouldnt just trust the first page she see's. Like this page for example... http://www.pamf.org/teen/risk/drugs/hallucinogens/dmt.html

It goes to say that DMT isnt addictive (true) but then states that users have to increase the dose because of tolerance buildup (which is completely false)

And somehow tolerance buildup would be dangerous, which makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Nicita]

She is right worrying about your drug use! Alcohol is one of the most dangerous substances out there and many users become addicted, sick and die. :twisted:

Now seriously: I can relate where you are now. It is not easy dealing with someone who is so close and worried and at the same time cought in decades of prohibitionist propaganda. She will be really and sincerely worried about you and sadly you are in no good position to tell her everything is fine, because it's one of the stereotypes, that druggies deny their problems.

What kind of person is your mother? What is she interested in? Maybe you can find some way past her emotional blockades and plant a few good arguments.
One major fact, that you somehow have to communicate is the difference between psychedelics and more harmfull substances like opioids, cocaine, Methamphetamine and the like.

Is she used to scientific reasoning? If so, give her good information about research on these substances. Tell her if she is really intrested in what you are doing, then she HAS to read, what professionals dealing with these issues have to say. There are papers that say that psychedelics are not addictive and have no lethal overdose, that frequent consumption is very unusual, that there are few health concerns and even a few studies that show potential heath benefits! Maybe David Nutts' study for assesing drug harms would be a good starting point. After all there is this table, with LSD and mushrooms ranking at the bottom.

Maybe you could also tell her about indigenous use of ayahuasca, mushrooms, cacti and other substances. What the experience means to these people and for what purposes they use them. Do you life in the US? Maybe you could even arrange a meeting with someone in the native church. Of couse this is only an option, if she is open to these cultures.

All in all I think talking about it is always a good idea. Drug addicts usually don't like to talk about it that much and in time she may be able to see your true motivation. You have all the good arguments on your side. You just have to get past all these lies embedded in our cultural heritage
Good luck to you and keep us updated.

 

[jamie]

Oh well, to be on this site you have to be over 18. That means your an adult. It would be weird for an adult to live in the shadow of they're mother or father forever. Im sorry if this sounds blunt or harsh, but it is just the reality of life and someone has to say it. I feel your you but your gunna have to accept that we often outgrow our parents plans for our lives and that sometimes they freak out.

I would be kind of pissed off if my mother was reading my private messages.

It's good to have a healthy relationship with your parents, but it's not going to happen by bowing down to them as an adult..frankly that is just weird and not normal. Most people defy they're parents at some point..it is normal to do so. They will get over it once they realize your not a junkie dumpster diving for dinner. Until then accept it.

Maybe it is time to move out if you live at home? If you live at home and rely on your parents than you are either going to have to accept this intrusion into your private life as an adult, or you are going to have to go live on your own. edit..nm I see she kicked you out. Sorry. I hope you have an income? If not I suggest you get one and find a place. You don't have to prove your not a junkie to anyone. If your not a junkie than go live your life, it becomes pretty apparent who is and who is not a junkie.

Trust me, this is something many people have been through lol.

 

[Metanoia]

jamie is right, perhaps it's time to move on. If she can't give you any privacy and trust that you'll make the right decision (being an adult) then it may be time to become more independent and put some distance between you.

The Spirit Molecule and Neurons to Nirvana are good documentaries that may allow her to see that these aren't addictive drugs like methamphetamine or heroin. That the mystical and spiritual experiences they can bring about are in fact REAL, and can be very positive and life changing.

I think talking to her about ayahuasca would be a good place to start. Its traditional use by indigenous people, how safe and non-addictive it is, etc.

If she won't listen and just keeps calling you a junkie, well, that's her opinion and you may just have to accept that and move on.

 

[Infundibulum]

Iam also with jamie here. I see no point rushing towards this uphill fight or debate with your mother. All this approach of gathering facts to tell her misses the point a bit.

Just move out of your patrent's house, work and live a decent life and show them that YOU are an example of responsible user - this works much better than bringing her examples of other responsible user and appeals exactly where your patent's concern is, i.e. that you're not messng up with your life.

 

[benzyme]

"its not real! its a drug!"

drugs aren't real? what, does she think they are imaginary?
and tell her 'junk' is heroin, hence 'junkies' are heroin addicts.

 

[sleepypelican]

It sounds like your mom is just being a mom. She's supposed to worry about you, it's her job. the fact that she cares so much about your well being says a lot. You should feel proud you have a parent that cares about you so much, many people dont have that in their lives.
Perhaps proving to her that your not a drug addict would help the situation? take a month break, go to NA meetings, show her that drugs are not an all consuming aspect of your life. If this is too hard to do, maybe she might be on to something...? Expecting your parents to understand your drug use (especially when still living under their roof)is a a pretty big stretch for most people. You have to remind yourself sometimes that your mothers view is biased due to the fact that she MADE you. Of course shes going to worry about you, your her son.
Your mother most likely recalls tim leary, so showing her interviews with other learned men might not have such effect on her. And to be honest, I think Strassman looks a little spaced out during the interviews on the Dmt the spirit, so perhaps this wouldnt be the best example.

If your relationship with your mother is strong then you shouldnt havbe any trouble staying clean for a month just to show her you care about her opinion. This woman gave birth to you, the least you could do while living in her house is abide by her rules. one thing ive learned from experience is that trying to bed down someones concerns about your drug use by trying to prove to them that drugs are ok only makes the situation worse. in their minds it just shows that drugs are a controlling force in your life, and that you would rather go through all the heartbreak and family turmoil it causes than put it down because you are an addict. thats just from my experience though.

"Some kids do as they please
They don't know what life really means
They don't listen to what the ones who really care have to say
They just go and do things their own way"

"Who are parents?
Parents are the ones who really care
Who are parents?
Parents are the ones who are always there"

"Some kids think their parents are cruel
Just because they want them to obey certain rules
They start to lean from the ones who really care
Turning, turning from the ones who will always be there"
-the shaggs (the worst band in the history of music...)

 

[Jin]

just let it be , its only an experience

 

[alert]

[youtube]

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Anyhoo, I think Infundibulum gave you a rock solid piece of advice:

Just move out of your patrent's house, work and live a decent life and show them that YOU are an example of responsible user - this works much better than bringing her examples of other responsible user and appeals exactly where your patent's concern is, i.e. that you're not messng up with your life.

Some people are simply stubborn about certain subjects and nothing you can say will convince them. The best way to show her you aren't a "junkie" is lead a positive lifestyle.

In the end she may never approve of your use of entheogens, but you can certainly prove to her you are a competent and productive member of society.

 

[Walter D. Roy]

Everything happens for a reason man. I was kicked out of my house shortly after my 18th birthday. And of course it sucked, but its led to many great experiences and I am finding out who I am more and more each day!

Just have hope, your mom is your MOM. She loves you no matter what. And her harsh attitude is because of that love. Trust me.

 

[Doodazzle]

Over-bearing mum?

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-John-Book-About-Men/dp/0306813769

And the will smith song, too.

 

[jamie]

"Perhaps proving to her that your not a drug addict would help the situation? take a month break, go to NA meetings, show her that drugs are not an all consuming aspect of your life. If this is too hard to do, maybe she might be on to something...? "

His mother is on to something if he refuses to go to NA meetings because she snoops into his private life and finds out he smoked DMT 4 times? I say grab your balls and move on, rather than submit to some NA crap when you really don't belong there. Rather than waste the resources, save that spot for someone who might actually benefit from being there.

Parents(usually) choose to have kids. That choice should imo include accepting that like everyone else, they're own children will at some point outgrow they're parents expectations/standards and strive to understand and respect them, instead of condemning them based on faery tales. DMT is not physically addictive, nor is it toxic or physically harmful. You don't become a junkie from taking DMT. This is just a naïve mindset based on an extremely dumbed down and ignorant perception of "drugs" portrayed in our culture. Most peoples understanding of "drugs" goes about as far as a 6 year olds understanding of sex. Why accomidate for more ignorance?..rather people(especially people who raise other people), should have enough conviction to want to rely on facts and proper education rather than media hype horror stories.

Like I said, that would be really weird and not normal, for a grown man to have to bow down to how his mom wishes him to be when it is based on fantasy and not reality in the first place. There is a reason why when you turn 18 you are responsible for your actions.

Going to NA is likely only going to reinforce her belief that he is some kind of crack head. There are better ways to show people who you really are than putting on some mask they want to fit your face into.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

i was in a similar position with my parents. and after sharing lots of information they respect my beliefs, if disagree with them.

personally i think this debate isn't as uphill as made out to be and well worth it (Assuming your mom is open to communication).

but that's just my experience.

 

[Orion]

Have her read the FAQ on this website.

Show her the Erowid DMT vault.

Even the Wikipedia page is quite informative.

The "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" documentary and book.

Ayahuasca.com has some great information on the historical use of the molecule.

There is a lot of good information out there, the peer reviewed literature really speaks for itself about the safety of this compound.

i had considered this already but i still think she might chalk this all up as "druggies promoting their drug of choice"
but i still should show her.

she even asked me if i would be open to talking to this girl who is an ex-meth addict. possibly about going to narcotics anonymous.

Well then you're screwed, plain and simple. If that is going to be the attitude, you have no chance. Don't bother trying to open other peoples eyes if the frustration will only narrow your own.

 

[magickalex]

Have her read the FAQ on this website.

Show her the Erowid DMT vault.

Even the Wikipedia page is quite informative.

The "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" documentary and book.

Ayahuasca.com has some great information on the historical use of the molecule.

There is a lot of good information out there, the peer reviewed literature really speaks for itself about the safety of this compound.

i had considered this already but i still think she might chalk this all up as "druggies promoting their drug of choice"
but i still should show her.

she even asked me if i would be open to talking to this girl who is an ex-meth addict. possibly about going to narcotics anonymous.

Well then you're screwed, plain and simple. If that is going to be the attitude, you have no chance. Don't bother trying to open other peoples eyes if the frustration will only narrow your own.

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

you can't force an eye open that's not ready to be opened.

i'm more concerned with our relationship right now than her view on DMT.