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My "LSH" Recipe, "hippie-flipper"

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5mil

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Hello, Swim just found this wonderful forum and has been pouring through the pages for hours! Swim loves it and would like to thank all of you for your great additions to this community.

Swim wants to share a preperation that Swim has had a very surprisingly pleasent time with.
Swim would love some feedback and etc in regards to this, as Swim is new in this field.
First, Swim has made this preparation with a lack of most scientific knowledge which seemed to elude Swim while Swim was researching weather or not it might work, and Swim decided to say "eff it" and to just try it, considering the ingredients if they did not work as Swim thought did not seem that they would cause any serious side effects. What Swim found was that in my experience of this concoction was that the undesirable effects were minimal, and the hallucinogen and "rolling" qualities of this mix simply astounded Swim. Ok so enough jammering, and Swim apologizes ahead of time for Swims "non-scientific" production method(s).

heres Swims Hippie-Flippy "LSH" Recipe.

Ingredients:
100 HBWR seeds, ground to powder
150ml Everclear (Swim decided to use almost pure alcohol because Swims research showed that most oils in the sassafras bound with alcohol, as well as the LSA component of the HBWR seeds. Decided on EVERCLEAR because Swim can drink it safely)
4 ounces Ground Sassafras albidum Root Bark Powder (Safrole Anyone?)
4 drops Peppermint Oil

Take all of these ingrediants and place in a jar. Shake well. Wait one week, Swim Used coffee filter to get rid of plant material and I am left with ~150 ml of mixture. Add 4 drops peppermint oil to this mixture to make it "LSH"

Now, before anyone goes and flames Swim for using safrole in this concoction and bringing up the whole "safrole is not psychoactive" argument, Swim will just tell you how he felt. BTW, this concoction is 10 regular "doses" for Swim.

I found that this conconction gives Swim a feeling which at 1 dose is just like LSA seeds when takin with "molly" powder, except the "molly" feeling is about 50% that of one dose of actual MDMA or "molly". Swim has had great success with this method, and Swim has also shared with other Swimmers and at a festival and these drops were labeled "rootbeer love" and highly sought after and spoken about for the remainder of the event. Even with some people coming and trying to get bulk to bring home with them... Swim simply made a personal stash which was shared, and ran out very quickly!!

Anyways, Let Swim Know what you think!!!

{Peace!!


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I have done alot of researching to the fact that safrole is a registered carcinogen. I have found that the studies where safrole has been shown to cause cancer in rats are very similar to the studies on toxicity of THC in the blood( when they took rediculus amounts of thc and injected it into rats, which I believe you could inject them with virtually any substance at that level and it would cause problems)
.. What I mean by this is that the studies did the following:
A) They gave the rats a VERY large amount of safrole for their body weight. B) They gave this high level at a regular basis which was more than once a day for an extended period of at least several weeks to months. Based on those two facts, I have determined that this cancer risk is minimal because the experiment was "designed" to give certain results. SWIM does not take these doses regularly... actually far from it. Certainly not EVERY DAY, and certainly not in that ratio or frequency. Swim would love to know more input on this, and would love to see if Swiy has any experience on the subject. {Peace!!
 
Swim would also note that the Safrole givin to the rats in these studies was 99.8% pure. Swim working with something much less pure, or as Swim would assume at least. Its also ingested as opposed to injected, which is blood replacement and injecting anything causes problem, from our understanding at least.

Also, Swim is interested in a way of clearing the nausea-causing impurities from the HBWR seeds before infusing in the mixture... Naphtha fluid has been mentioned elsewhere on these forums, and Swim is wondering if this is safe and if it "all come out" aka Naphtha sounds like it would be dangerous to ingest. Any input?
 
You call this an LSH recipe...where's the evidence that this is LSH? Is there any work documenting the room temperature conversion of LSA + Safrole --> LSH? I'm just curious as to why you call this "LSH" and not LSA and Safrole, could you explain?
 
LSA and safrole does not yield LSH. LSA and acetaldehyde does. Perhaps Sassafras albidum also contains reasonable amount of acetaldehyde, but I doubt it. In that case, this recipe is for a combination of LSA and safrole, it's not for LSH. And by the way, a hippieflip is a combination of mushrooms and MDMA.

Can you please update the post and the title of the thread, 5mil?
 
Evening Glory said:
LSA and safrole does not yield LSH. LSA and acetaldehyde does.
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And even this is still only conjecture. There is no actual literature to support the room temp conversion of LSA + acetaldehyde --> LSH. If someone has access to GC/MS equipment, we were just talking in chat about how awesome it would be to finally make some progress in this area. We need to either confirm the conversion phenomenon or lay this rumor to rest.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
Evening Glory said:
LSA and safrole does not yield LSH. LSA and acetaldehyde does.
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And even this is still only conjecture. There is no actual literature to support the room temp conversion of LSA + acetaldehyde --> LSH. If someone has access to GC/MS equipment, we were just talking in chat about how awesome it would be to finally make some progress in this area. We need to either confirm the conversion phenomenon or lay this rumor to rest.
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True. All we know is that LSA + acetaldehyde = LSH in theory. We do not know if LSH is the product, but we do know the effect is drastically different, corresponding with the LSH theory. Everything points to the fact that it is LSH. By the way, no one said anything about room temperature, you always use cold water in a refrigerator.
 
Evening Glory said:
SnozzleBerry said:
Evening Glory said:
LSA and safrole does not yield LSH. LSA and acetaldehyde does.
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And even this is still only conjecture. There is no actual literature to support the room temp conversion of LSA + acetaldehyde --> LSH. If someone has access to GC/MS equipment, we were just talking in chat about how awesome it would be to finally make some progress in this area. We need to either confirm the conversion phenomenon or lay this rumor to rest.
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True. All we know is that LSA + acetaldehyde = LSH in theory. We do not know if LSH is the product, but we do know the effect is drastically different, corresponding with the LSH theory. Everything points to the fact that it is LSH. By the way, no one said anything about room temperature, you always use cold water in a refrigerator.
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well...we know that some people report subjective experiences that are claimed to be different from LSA and are usually reported as hit or miss from one experience to the next. I really don't think "everything points to the fact that it is LSH" in fact, I'd be willing to wager that most of the chemists in here would say it's inconclusive at best (with the current information that exists). And fine, fridge, room temperature, whatever, it doesn't make a difference as right now, there is nothing (other than individually reported, subjective, hit-or-miss effects) that supports LSH being synthesized in this manner.

Also, could you provide documentation showing that "LSA + acetaldehyde = LSH in theory"? In over a year of being aware of LSH, I have never found scientific documentation of LSH synthesis through LSA + acetaldehyde, but if you have it, I would love to read it.
 
LSH is touched on in Tihkal I believe, a bit in the MGS chapter and another place in the book too I think. Dunno if you'll find what you're lookin' for, but that's the only trustworthy source I've seen to mention it, would love to see more infos.
 
Yea narmz, I'm fairly certain Shulgin discusses it, I remember looking at that like a year ago. I know the Hoffman mentioned it a couple times as well. Let me reiterate that I am not doubting the validity or existence of LSH as a chemical compound (I had someone jump all over me in chat, freaking out that I was wrong and LSH does exist. Honestly, I don't care about being right or wrong, just furthering this knowledge, and I am aware that LSH exists). What I am currently challenging is the widely held speculation that it is possible to synthesize LSH from LSA and acetaldehyde. To my knowledge, there is no scientific paper documenting this conversion, only experience reports which, as interesting as they may be to read, do not carry any sort of scientific "objectiveness", weight, or evidence.
 
Sorry guys didnt realize that I put LSH up there, was really just talking about a LSA + Safrole equation... altho i very interested in how well i could incorporate that into it.. So this "peppermint" method seems to work? Not really saying that it will be real LSH but im asking if it will help to make the effects better.. Thanks!

Edit: I have added 4 drops peppermint oil to the recipe since Swim has notified me that he will try this soon in his concoction based on research of its added effects
 
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