my very first extract...kinda wierd

[mr.smiley]

So i started my first extract. Dont exactly know if its a problem but i ran into an intrrsting result. Ill attach picture

 

[3rdI]

you're gonna have to give us more info if you want any help.

what are we looking at?

 

[mr.smiley]

Its a base extract.using NaOH with salt. Then zippo as naptha. It got all white like(seems right) but i added more to be safe. Its taken a redish hue. With some emolsion/foam on the top. Is this right? I used a cork top for the mixing bottle, felt unsafe about the plastic.

 

[3rdI]

naphtha can turn darker if it picks up some of the based soup particles.

emulsions need to be broken before pulling, try warming the mix.

 

[mr.smiley]

Thankyou. Ima do a couple more pulls. Post pictures and if need be ask for more help.

 

[3rdI]

naphtha will also turn milky white when it is very saturated with Magic

good luck

 

[mr.smiley]

So iv completed 3 pulls with my naptha. It is definetly not clouding up whenbeing blown on. Lots of clear naptha and some very dark red/amber center. Forgot to mention that this pull is off of Lespedeza Bicolor seeds.prolly not a good choice for someone inexperienced.

 

[confucius]

Agree with others - looks like you have an emulsion there in the first picture - other than heating (not directly, in a warm water bath) something you may try is adding some NaCl - maybe about 40grams for that size bottle, and see if that helps break the emulsion.

Lespedeza seems to have variable results... see the discussion on Shaman Australis.

In that last picture, it looks to me like you may have extracted plant oils. Try doing your extraction at room temperature next time.

Here's my suggestion to clean it up..

1. pull the alks and fats out of the naptha in your last photo back into salt form by adding warm acidic water (50/50 h20 vinegar will do) and shaking, then put aside the naptha.

2. Then mix fresh warm naptha with the vinegar / water / salts mix (will remove oils / fats), shake and then remove and discard the naptha (or keep for another defat).

3. Take the remaining water / spice mixture and make it alkaline to ~ pH 12.

4. Do ONE PULL at room temp using about half the naptha you put aside in step 1.

5. Freeze precip the pull from step 4 and let us know if you get crystals this time, if so, do more pulls.. otherwise it's likely your Lespedeza doesn't have much kick...

Good luck!

C

 

[mr.smiley]

Ill try that out. I put it in a smaller glass and it formed 3 different layers.

 

[confucius]

Hmmm.. that almost looks like what swim sees when he fails to adequately remove all the basic soup - a layer of basic soup on the bottom, room temperature precipitated dimitri crystals in the middle and naptha on top... Is this possible?

that middle layer deserves further scrutiny, imho...

C

 

[mr.smiley]

The middle layer? Ill give it a shot. Im going to reheat the mixture by a warm fan to see if the top 2 layers form one. The naptha is not cloudy but yellow. Does that mean anything?


Well 10 mins under a hot fan and nothing...my gut is telling meits just some kind of fatty material.

 

[confucius]

If it's possible that the bottom layer is caustic soup, swim would suggest you ensure you try to remove the bottom layer with a pipette or dropper first, then carefully wash the middle layer with a dilute alkaline solution (sodium carbonate is fine) to clean out the caustic residue prior to bioassay...

 

[Entheogenerator]

Forgot to mention that this pull is off of Lespedeza Bicolor seeds.prolly not a good choice for someone inexperienced.

Well there's your problem... What tek are you using? A/B or STB? Have you done a defat? What other alkaloids does this plant contain, and how do you intend to go about isolating the DMT from them? There really is no such thing as a "one size fits all" tek which will work for just any DMT-containing plant material. The teks you see are constructed by people with a thorough understanding of the chemistry involved. There are a lot of variables that much be accounted for when determining how to go about isolating a compound from a particular plant matter.

It is generally not a great idea to try extracting from a plant that is not well known as a source for the desired compound. I have never seen a kitchen-chemistry extraction tek for Lespedeza bicolor so unless someone sees this thread who has successfully extracted from this species, you might not find much help.

My advice: things are likely to go a lot smoother if you stick to the roads well-traveled until you really have a solid understanding of what you are doing.

 

[mr.smiley]

Thanks for the input mate, ima Removed some more commonly used bark to try out, sucks cus its pricey though. Oh well. But sence iv got a full pound of seed im going to experiement a little to see what happens. If nothing else ill gain some experience/knowldge from it all.

 

[Entheogenerator]

It is a little pricey, but well worth it. The reason it is so pricey is because the alkaloid content is typically much greater than that of other DMT-containing plant matter.

Also I would suggest that you remove the mention of "ordering" from your last post and read The Attitude Page, if you haven't already.

Let us know how your experimenting turns out. I would recommend you look into FASA teks, or at the very least A/B teks which include a defat step. Those are probably the most likely to produce anything of use, once the extract has been analyzed.

 

[DreaMTripper]

This certainly has a complex profile! lespedeza bicolor - Other Psychoactives - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
Good luck will be interesting to see what you find you may need another solvent such as limonene to get a better idea as to what its particular extract is.

 

[Mimosa_Man]

Hey guys this morning I'm having sort of the same issue.

I had base contamination after freeze preciping so I did an acid base wash, I took 400ml hot water added 20ml vinegar, added "dirty" naphtha, shook it up let it seperate a few times, then decanted naphtha and set it aside. I re-based the aqueous solution with ~30g NAOH in 200ml water. Added clean naphtha and now have three distinct layers as shown in the picture : top yellow naphtha, middle white cloudy stuff, bottom aqueous solution with little white fluffy fleks floating, it looks like a damned snowglobe...

Any help would be appreciated.

Also the extraction was done on 100g of MHRB using cybs salt tek.

Edit: Fml sorry about the sideways pics...

 

[confucius]

It's really hard to say what's going on here, as we're working on fumes in terms of quantities used etc... but, again, to me, given the very small amount of naptha you've used, that middle layer may be dimitri precipitating out at room temperature.

Warm the whole shebang (in a hot water bath) and see if the white layer disappears, decant the naptha (seperate it completely from the basic soup), put it in a small container and freeze precipitate it.

other comments...

1. The little white flecks are what naptha sometimes looks like as Dmitri starts to precip.. but it's in the base aqueous solution so it's something else - perhaps you've supersaturated the solution with either salt or NaOH? Or perhaps so much of the dmitri has room temperature preciped that some of it has fallen out of the naptha into the aqueous phase below.. it's really hard to say.
2. When you tried to wash the 'base' contamination, what pH was the aqueous phase after you reacidified and washed? 20mL vinegar in 400ml water is a tiny amount - depending upon the amount of 'base contamination', you may not have dropped the pH enough to remove much of any product from that original 'dirty' naptha.
3. If you do see a heck of a lot of precipitation from the naptha when you chuck it in the freezer, it's going to turn almost WHITE within about half an hour. If the theories I've given in point 1 (there's so much dmitri in the mix that it's dropping out of naptha at room temperature) you're going to need to do a lot more pulls to get all the goodies.

C

 

[Mimosa_Man]

thanks for the tips, i'll try it in an hour or so when i get off work. will post results when i have them.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Did you make sure the NaOH was fully dissolved? 20ml.in 400ml should be enough to drop the pH to at least 4.
I think youve accidentaly started a water reX! I would separat them dropper wash with slightly basic water they will be crisp nd clean!