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Mythbusters: Urban psychedelic legends

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This thread is to discuss and hopefully debunk all urban legends about psychedelics.

We all know them, thinks like:
* It will stay on your spine forever
* take that 7 times and you are legally insane
* A college student took acid for the first time in his life and never got back from it.
* DMT is produced in the pineal gland
* You get a massive burst of DMT when you are born and when you die.
* Flashbacks. Way after the experience you can experience flashback that will suddenly put you back into the trip.

With this thread we will discuss them one by one and try to get proof if they are definitely true or not.


Lets start with the first one:
* It will stay on your spine forever

Is this true or not? What proof do we have for both sides of the medal?
#1. No DMT is basically out of your system once you have come back to earth 🌎
So the only physicadellics that stay in your spine is LSD. Tons of research and proof, read a book.

#2 never heard of an overdose on DMT, but with lab driven trips "LSD, MDMA,ketamine" anything made in a lab that's not naturally occuring, be aware there is always risk of brain damage.... Moderation is key until you have a grasp of what's what. But yes absolutely 100% if you take too much of any drug or alcohol you are going to have permanent brain damage... Like I said moderation.... Even with mushrooms I knew a young lady who didn't know how much to take, and dude sold her fr
 
So the only physicadellics that stay in your spine is LSD. Tons of research and proof, read a book.
Provide a source instead of telling other people to read a book. But you won't, because it's not true.

with lab driven trips "LSD, MDMA,ketamine" anything made in a lab that's not naturally occuring, be aware there is always risk of brain damage
The risk of brain damage has nothing to do with a substance being made in a lab or not. MDMA does have a risk of neurological damage at high doses, but neither LSD nor ketamine do.

if you take too much of any drug or alcohol you are going to have permanent brain damage
No, that's a lie.

Please stop spreading misinformation or you will be banned. If you are sure it's not misinformation, provide a source. Thank you.
 
if you take too much of any drug or alcohol you are going to have permanent brain damage
I mean, that kind of comes pre-packaged within the term "too much" in this context, so it's not really adding anything to the discussion - especially considering it's a blanket statement utterly lacking in nuance.

It would be more useful to consider how specific substances each have their own active dose, and each have a level where they start to become harmful. The ratio between these two values is known as the "therapeutic ratio" and for substances like DMT, LSD and psilocin the margin of physical safety is relatively enormous, especially for DMT as an endogenous substance. Alcohol, on the other hand, arguably displays toxicity even at its lowest active dose, giving it a therapeutic ratio of less than 1. MDMA lies somewhere in between…

Of course, toxicity is not limited to neurological effects - and again, the aforementioned classical serotonergic psychedelics are relatively extremely safe in that respect - and alcohol is similarly terrible.
So the only physicadellics that stay in your spine is LSD. Tons of research and proof, read a book.
That is outright a lie you're repeating. Hilarious that you think you can tell @The Traveler to read a book. If only you knew…

Now, the onus is very much on you to provide the evidence for this decades-old CIA psyop ;)
 
So the only physicadellics that stay in your spine is LSD. Tons of research and proof,
Not really.

I get that the idea might come from LSD having an elimination half-life in your body from 3 to 5 hours, and the effects working longer than the first cycle.

That coincidentally has been researched, and they found out that when LSD binds to the (mainly 5-HT) receptors, a portion of the receptor protein kinda folds over it like some closing hoody.

Thereby trapping the molecule for hours inside before it can detach again and be cleared out of the body.

So LSD is behaving like some sort of 'close the curtains, and off we go!' 😁

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read a book.
Will do! 🫡


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
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I've had flashbacks from mushrooms for sure. VERY rare tho but undeniable.
And I've had flashbacks from exruciatingly embarassing situations. The key point this illustrates is that emotional intensity of any kind has a far higher propensity to form long-term imprints on the mind-body complex. What do you think about this?

Was there anything in particular that triggered the flashback, and/or does consideration of the relevant content of the flashback serve to guide towards any useful or helpful conclusions?

Your experiences regarding this flashback and the circumstances surrounding both it and the preceding experience would me interesting to discuss in their own thread.

Welcome to the Nexus, and a merry Midsummer's Day to you!
 
Flashback is such a sensationalist and loaded term and I have no idea wtf people are referring to and I almost believe they don’t exist.
Indeed, "spontaneous rekindling" has been used as a more balanced-sounding alternative.

"Flashback" probably originates as a cinematographic technique more than anything, I would assume. There's a topic for a doctoral thesis or two :)
 
Flashback is such a sensationalist and loaded term and I have no idea wtf people are referring to and I almost believe they don’t exist.
Back in the day when Foxy was popular, both my friend and I would have the occasional "flash." For us that meant having a closed-eye visual of a landscape or image, or an actual visual distortion of what we would be looking at, even though we were at baseline. A "flash" would only last a second or two.
 
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I have full on tryptamine type trips in the middle of the night sometimes. It’s happened for as long as I can remember…before I ever took psychedelics.

It’s hard to say what the brain is already capable of.

People really into 5-MeO-DMT talk about “re-activations”. I think also they describe often it happens during the night. I wonder if they experience something like my night tripping?
 
I have full on tryptamine type trips in the middle of the night sometimes. It’s happened for as long as I can remember…before I ever took psychedelics.

It’s hard to say what the brain is already capable of.

People really into 5-MeO-DMT talk about “re-activations”. I think also they describe often it happens during the night. I wonder if they experience something like my night tripping?
I've had a couple of dreams where I took some kind of psychedelic substance or other, and had an actual trip inside the dream. No actual physical drug was involved, just to be clear.

These types of experience appear to have an intrinsic neurological correlate. Or something :p
 
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