Naphtha not transparent during re-ex what to do?

[meino]

So it did Cyb's salt Tek. Does the outcome look ok?
I am unsure whether the brown on the bottom is normal.

first pull with 50ml naphtha and 12h freezing :

 

[Transform]

So it did this Tek. Does the outcome look ok?
I am unsure whether the brown on the bottom is normal.

first pull with 50ml naphtha and 12h freezing :

Looks like a consequence of warm pulls, but possibly also that you had base soup contamination in your naphtha. can be cleaned up with recrystallisation (re-x) or a mini A/B, which is like running the extraction protocol in miniature on the extracted DMT.

 

[meino]

Hello,
I extracted DMT and had all this brown substance in the bowl after freezing. Then I dissolved everything again and heated it to 50 degrees. I added water because I thought the particles would sink. But the Naphtha (pic 3) does not become transparent, what should I do?

 

[Varallo]

wondering why naphtha is cloudy

my buddy had a try at cybs hybrid. i believe it’s 210ml of vinegar 100g of salt 150g of bark. 110g of caustic soda and about 2800ml of distilled water about. he has been water bath with just tap water at its hottest let’s it’s cool he’s done it 6-8 times. maybe he’s doing something wrong or...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

 

[meino]

ok, so its not safe to consume when evap?

 

[Varallo]

Just leave the layers for a day to cool and the naphtha should become clear.

 

[Transform]

It would be helpful to know as much detail as possible about the extraction, just in case one of your materials is at fault. It feels rather like you may have detergent in there somewhere - this may have come from lye or naphtha if you used a proprietary cleaning product instead of purer substances. Or perhaps you used lye with aluminium particles in it?

 

[donfoolio]

Your yield looks pretty small. Even if the source of your product may vary, I bet that there is still plenty of goodness inside the liquid phase.

The brownish oily residues can be easily removed by recrystallization like said before. This is no problem.

But try to keep on pulling, there could be a lot more waiting.

In my experience going for small amounts of solvent but several extractions marks the best results. You want your solvent somehow saturated. Try at least four or five pulls with your solvent of choice.

 

[meino]

It would be helpful to know as much detail as possible about the extraction, just in case one of your materials is at fault. It feels rather like you may have detergent in there somewhere - this may have come from lye or naphtha if you used a proprietary cleaning product instead of purer substances. Or perhaps you used lye with aluminium particles in it?

I used this lye:

https://www.amazon.de/Centra24-Natriumhydroxid-Laugenperlen-Seifennatron-Rohrreiniger/dp/B08DJ6Z241

(It says 98,5% pure and technical quality)
and zippo gasoline, in my opinion it left no residue.

Otherwise I added the naphtha immediately after adding the lye. It didn't say in the tek that you should wait an hour before adding naphtha.

But I have stored the pearls for over 2 years and the product was clumped together. Can that be a problem? I have read that it then degrades to sodium bicarbonate?

 

[Varallo]

Did the naphtha clear up ?

The lye should be fine, and I don’t think it will be a problem if you added the naphtha right after dissolving the lye. Just extract some more from the soup and you should be good.

 

[meino]

It seems better than yesterday but still not really clear. Should I just wait longer, or maybe heat it?

 

[Varallo]

I think it looks great, combine all the pulls and freeze, then decide if you want to clean it up a bit more.

 

[meino]

thanks. The tutorial also says "heat the flask with the soup and naphtha in a heat bath".I did this to 60 degrees Celsius. Is this really the right way? Because somewhere else I read that it is better to just heat the naphtha not the soup?

 

[Transform]

thanks. The tutorial also says "heat the flask with the soup and naphtha in a heat bath".I did this to 60 degrees Celsius. Is this really the right way? Because somewhere else I read that it is better to just heat the naphtha not the soup?

Heating naphtha is fairly pointless since the thermal mass of the soup is far greater and thus has the largest influence on the temperature of the system. It may be better to aim for a lower temperature than 60°C, since lower-temperature pulls are associated with a cleaner-looking product. The efficacy of the lower temperature, or room temperature, pulls depends on the exact formulation of the naphtha so the refinement of one's personal method may involve an element of trial-and-error on account of this, not to mention some rooms being warmer than other rooms. My gut feeling is that you may get nice results with your soup at about 40°C.

 

[fractals4life]

The cloudiness could just be a sign of heavy saturation with DMT, surely? I view it as a sign of a good strong pull when it happens to me.

There's some brown gunk floating on the water in your second picture, but it looks fine to me, just don't suck up the brown stuff when you get the naphtha out

Good luck!

 

[meino]

I think I know what happened. I stirred up particles with the pipette the first time and didn't notice. It was then cloudy and I thought it was just saturation. I have now frozen it again but so far they have not formed any crystals :-(

 

[meino]

I have now left the soup for a few days and added another 10g of lye.
I noticed that the naphtha and the soup always separate very quickly and aren't you supposed to see bubbles rising from the soup into the naphtha?

 

[Transform]

I have now left the soup for a few days and added another 10g of lye.
I noticed that the naphtha and the soup always separate very quickly and aren't you supposed to see bubbles rising from the soup into the naphtha?

Not gas bubbles, no. Sometimes you may see rising droplets of liquid solvent coming out of the soup as the phase separate.

We may have to contend with the possibility that your bark could in fact be rubbish. Have you had any success with it using any other methods?

 

[meino]

I washed the first two pulls of water and froze them again. Result: 0.100g. Theoretically there should be 1g inside. But it's getting worse and worse. This time I pulled it again and put it in a tube with water from there into the glass baking mold. There were no particles to be seen but the naphtha was brown again. Now I am left with this slimy substance. Surely that's not right?

 

[meino]

We may have to contend with the possibility that your bark could in fact be rubbish. Have you had any success with it using any other methods?

The lye pellets are 2 years old and have clumped together, could it be that they have absorbed moisture and thus become less effective?