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NO NEED To Invert or shake Ever ....just lightly swirl jar or gentle stir with a wooden dowl or glass rod .

Why vigerous shaking , inverting ,adjitated stiring...... ?
This is not nessary and just leads to emulsions .

Just an opinion ...feel free to ignore .
 
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I used the glass-topped rubber seal Kilner jars on my first extraction and the seals on those swelled up loads with the naphtha and leaked.
Best to replace them with a more resistant material like silicone.
 
Ow for me it doesn't happen often. What I do is I release the pressure from the hot naphta mix by "popping" the lid and then proceeding to the second round of inverting, etc. This prevents the pressure + naphta low viscosity from leaking across the rubber seal.

One thing to prevent is to not let the mhrb lye naphta mixture get under the rubber seal, because it can glide off.
 
Okay but if you don't mix the mhrb lye naphta solution, the dmt won't dissolve into the naphta.

I'm not sure wym putting your hands in the jar.
Hold on what? No. Once PH has reached 12 the freebase is no longer a water soluble salt and it now prefers to dissolve into the naphtha because both are nonpolar. Like dissolves like. The only reason you would emulsify your solution is to increase surface area but that only speeds up dissolving spice into the naphtha you don't get any more in there. I have no clue in the 7 hells as to what your intention is with HEATING A FLAMABLE LIQUID but godspeed I guess. You don't need to do that by the way. Any amount of increased solubility isn't worth the trade off you can just do multiple pulls.

As for the problem of removing the naph from the top of the solution I have found a solution... heh heh. I got myself a separation funnel. I have yet to test to see if it works but I am working with 1000g of MHRB this weekend so perfect time to test it. I also have other equipment that will help like beakers and a magnetic heater stirring plate but I don't really need those... they just make me happy and open a pathway to doing other non spice related chemistry

Also... I don't know how I'm going to consume my product... at lest for this week while I'm fresh outta money I'm allowed to spend. So I don't really have a piece of glassware that I can use... unless I can MacGyver something together.
 

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So I ran some numbers because I was curious about how high of a concertation of salts I can get in the acetic acid solution while cooking the MHRB. The salts have a water solubility of 35mg/ml to 50mg/ml meaning at 1.7% concentration of salts in MHRB and 1000g of MHRB I should have 17g of salts 17000mg 17000mg/35mg/ml I get roughly 487ml at minimum solubility. I started my process with 500ml of acetic acid solution so I think I'm going to strain and cook a couple rounds through but not all of it which should increase the concentration of freebase I'm able to put into the naph reducing how much of that I have to use. I also will need to use less NaOH.
 
As for the problem of removing the naph from the top of the solution I have found a solution... heh heh. I got myself a separation funnel. I have yet to test to see if it works but I am working with 1000g of MHRB this weekend so perfect time to test it.
You'd be better off using the sep funnel for washing the naphtha after separating it by some other means. Caustic sludge isn't very fun for draining through a tiny stopcock. Also, if you're not wholly familiar with these kinds of processes, I'd strongly suggest using a significantly smaller amount of bark than 1 kg, like 50 to 100 g.
I have no clue in the 7 hells as to what your intention is with HEATING A FLAMABLE LIQUID
This is done to increase the solubility of the DMT in the naphtha, and can be achieved with relative safety through the use of a hot water bath, and of course by completely avoiding naked flames, sparks, and incandescent material.

Also... I don't know how I'm going to consume my product... at lest for this week while I'm fresh outta money I'm allowed to spend. So I don't really have a piece of glassware that I can use... unless I can MacGyver something together.
You could use your sep funnel as a "Machine" variant 😁
 
You'd be better off using the sep funnel for washing the naphtha after separating it by some other means. Caustic sludge isn't very fun for draining through a tiny stopcock. Also, if you're not wholly familiar with these kinds of processes, I'd strongly suggest using a significantly smaller amount of bark than 1 kg, like 50 to 100 g.

This is done to increase the solubility of the DMT in the naphtha, and can be achieved with relative safety through the use of a hot water bath, and of course by completely avoiding naked flames, sparks, and incandescent material.


You could use your sep funnel as a "Machine" variant 😁
I separated the bark from the solution that has the salt in it. some salt is going to be left on the bark but I can cook it in water again and extract as much of that as possible so I shouldn't be dealing with much caustic sludge. That was the problem I assumed I would have though. I got filter paper originally to completely remove the solid from the solution but it didn't work so very nice so I just let the bark settle.

Im not using all 1kg in a singular pull. What I worked with for my weekend project was roughly 500g cause I am a lot more confident in what I'm doing since last time... I'm still gonna fuck up a little I'm sure but its part of the process. as of right now I have a full sep funnel with freebase and naph in it cause I used it before checking here (oops) and I have 2 full mason jars of bark mud that I can wash through acidic water again... though I shouldn't need to acidify the water cause the bark has acetic acid on it now

... yeah I guess the sep funnel could work couldn't it... too bad its full of other stuff rn

also how would I wash off the naph? might be useful to know
 
Im not using all 1kg in a singular pull
Glad to hear it! Still, it makes me wonder how it's been for you for handling a 500 g extraction (if I've interpreted your words correctly).
I got filter paper originally to completely remove the solid from the solution but it didn't work
Yeah, the mimosa tannin precipitates out pretty much the moment it hits the filter, clogging it instantly. You may be able to get most of the bark out with a fine wire mesh (stainless steel...) sieve or strainer, and then a long fridge rest followed by decanting away from the bark remnants sorts out an acidic mimosa brew rather more elegantly. Incidentally, that's one important reason for acidifying the brew in this type of process, otherwise there's a much greater likelihood of DMT remaining trapped in the tannin precipitate, since the acidic tannin material would act to some extent as the counter-ion to the protonated DMT in solution.

Best hurry up a bit with your sep funnel a bit - the ground glass inside the stopcock doesn't like caustic liquor all that much, and the etching it causes will eventually begin to mess with the function of the tap.
also how would I wash off the naph?
I'm not quite understanding which bit exactly, that you'd want to be washing the naphtha off - or are you referring to washing (of) the naphtha in the sep funnel? That's when you've removed the naphtha from the caustic brew and use a nearly saturated sodium carbonate solution to wash out any small droplets of basic aqueous soup that may have got carried over when pipetting the naphtha form the soup.
 
Glad to hear it! Still, it makes me wonder how it's been for you for handling a 500 g extraction (if I've interpreted your words correctly).

Yeah, the mimosa tannin precipitates out pretty much the moment it hits the filter, clogging it instantly. You may be able to get most of the bark out with a fine wire mesh (stainless steel...) sieve or strainer, and then a long fridge rest followed by decanting away from the bark remnants sorts out an acidic mimosa brew rather more elegantly. Incidentally, that's one important reason for acidifying the brew in this type of process, otherwise there's a much greater likelihood of DMT remaining trapped in the tannin precipitate, since the acidic tannin material would act to some extent as the counter-ion to the protonated DMT in solution.

Best hurry up a bit with your sep funnel a bit - the ground glass inside the stopcock doesn't like caustic liquor all that much, and the etching it causes will eventually begin to mess with the function of the tap.

I'm not quite understanding which bit exactly, that you'd want to be washing the naphtha off - or are you referring to washing (of) the naphtha in the sep funnel? That's when you've removed the naphtha from the caustic brew and use a nearly saturated sodium carbonate solution to wash out any small droplets of basic aqueous soup that may have got carried over when pipetting the naphtha form the soup.
So far the 500g extraction has been going smoothly enough. I have 850ml solution that I separated from the bark after cooking it in a solution of acetic acid. There was a shit load of white precipitate when adding NaOH. So much so that it made the solution cloudy. I let that stir on my stir plate for a little bit to see if it would clear up and it didn't until I added more NaOH and the solution went black as seen in the small beaker and sep funnel. I put about 100ml of naph onto 500ml of the solution in the sep funnel and let that sit there for 24hours and that is now in the freezer waiting to see how much if anything crashes out. I have not added naph to the other 350ml. If I do im probably gonna keep ratio's the same and add 70ml of naph to that.8

I have other jars from a past extraction that are definitely not in as good a position. I never brought them up to bass 12 before adding naph which shouldn't be a problem but I did get crystals from the naph I had on em but I ended up loosing them to being stupid. I did keep the bark mud in with the solution when I added the bass as well which I now think wasn't the best decision (its why I went for separating the bark mud from the solution before adding the bass this time). I eventually did bring the jars up to a PH of 13 and put naph on them again which is where I got the crystals from my earlier post. I have no idea if its still worth to put naph on em so they're just hanging out next to my lab. Oh and one jar is so messed when I added the naph the most recent time I did agitate the jars and now one has naph emulsified with the bark mud. I don't know if its ever gonna separate. Its chillin in the lab either way

Edit: I might get some cheese cloth for straining out the bark for next time. I figure that could work pretty good. at least if straining off the bark is worth it at all
The photo of the crystals is what I got off of the first pull. idk what I have for weight because I don't have a scale but this looks to be about what I was expecting. There is still 350ml of solution that never got naph on top of it, and I can still do multiple pulls, and the bark probably still has salts in it (I've not thrown anything away yet). So things are going pretty good. Idk how much return I'm actually looking for so. I'm guessing I can get about 4g off of the bark I used but idk how to make that go quicker
 

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now one has naph emulsified with the bark mud
Yes, particulates are a major cause of emulsions. One has to be extra mindful of the degree of agitation used in such circumstances.

There was a [large amount] of white precipitate when adding NaOH
I don't recall seeing what kind of water you've been using for this extraction. Was it distilled/deionised? Hard tap water will form extensive precipitates on the addition of base.

To get a ballpark figure for how much naphtha you'll be needing to use, check out the thread by @Brennendes Wasser if you haven't already:
More specifically, this post:

Ideally you'll be reckoning for sufficient naphtha to dissolve up to 10 g of DMT (making a generous assumption as to the quality of your bark) although the volume of naphtha can be smaller if you're reusing it for pulls after the freeze precipitation.
I have no idea if its still worth to put naph on em so they're just hanging out next to my lab.
The paragraph where this sentence sits seems a bit garbled - can you explain what you're wondering about adding more naphtha to: the base solution, or the crystals? It seems like you'd benefit from thinking a little bit more systematically.
I'm guessing I can get about 4g off of the bark I used but idk how to make that go quicker
4 g isn't that great. I'd definitely suggest adding more pulls, along with making sure that the pH is high enough to start with. I suppose it might be an OK yield if you've written off the emulsion for the moment. Don't throw that away, though - there's still a good chance of recovering something from it.
 
holy shit. I defo got DMT but I'm not ready. idk if I ever will be. Once my lungs start pounding and the feeling of flesh gets heavy I become scared of death, I'm not ready to "die" even if it allows me to talk to Gods.
Yes, particulates are a major cause of emulsions. One has to be extra mindful of the degree of agitation used in such circumstances.


I don't recall seeing what kind of water you've been using for this extraction. Was it distilled/deionised? Hard tap water will form extensive precipitates on the addition of base.

To get a ballpark figure for how much naphtha you'll be needing to use, check out the thread by @Brennendes Wasser if you haven't already:
More specifically, this post:

Ideally you'll be reckoning for sufficient naphtha to dissolve up to 10 g of DMT (making a generous assumption as to the quality of your bark) although the volume of naphtha can be smaller if you're reusing it for pulls after the freeze precipitation.

The paragraph where this sentence sits seems a bit garbled - can you explain what you're wondering about adding more naphtha to: the base solution, or the crystals? It seems like you'd benefit from thinking a little bit more systematically.

4 g isn't that great. I'd definitely suggest adding more pulls, along with making sure that the pH is high enough to start with. I suppose it might be an OK yield if you've written off the emulsion for the moment. Don't throw that away, though - there's still a good chance of recovering something from it.
as for this thank you for the info but ima keep doin as I do until stuff stops dropping out of the naph. I have reached the precipice of my curiosity can carry me for now. I will need to study chemistry in general before I can bolster that flame of curiosity. As for now I need to face "death" and break through the veil
 
holy shit. I defo got DMT but I'm not ready. idk if I ever will be. Once my lungs start pounding and the feeling of flesh gets heavy I become scared of death, I'm not ready to "die" even if it allows me to talk to Gods.

as for this thank you for the info but ima keep doin as I do until stuff stops dropping out of the naph. I have reached the precipice of my curiosity can carry me for now. I will need to study chemistry in general before I can bolster that flame of curiosity. As for now I need to face "death" and break through the veil
It's not usually as extreme as that, just try to overcome the initial set on of 10-30 seconds without panicking.
 
It's not usually as extreme as that, just try to overcome the initial set on of 10-30 seconds without panicking.
what do you mean its normally not as extreme as that? does that mean I fucked up my extraction? I've had this stuff before and I've only ever gotten to the "hallway". I know I will not actually die my flesh will be fine. And I was just in the "hallway" for a bit as I only wanted to test my extraction today cause I still gotta go to work (Ik its only 15-20mins real time but I'd rather have a full day so that I can process the experience). I have been going for the 3 hit technique and yeah I be getting scared on onset after the 1st but I'm able to push through that. Its the 2nd that really gets me. Should I change technique to try to do one big milky hit and just rocket ship there, or should I practice and get used to the 1st then the 2nd so I can push to the 3rd?

I think part of my fear comes from not knowing if what I'm inhaling is toxic and the intense feeling on the lungs and body only exemplify this thought. This is what my current extract looks like. Today for my test I used the more white pile cause I've heard that is the more "pure". The more yellow one should be ok though right?
 

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what do you mean its normally not as extreme as that? does that mean I fucked up my extraction? I've had this stuff before and I've only ever gotten to the "hallway". I know I will not actually die my flesh will be fine. And I was just in the "hallway" for a bit as I only wanted to test my extraction today cause I still gotta go to work (Ik its only 15-20mins real time but I'd rather have a full day so that I can process the experience). I have been going for the 3 hit technique and yeah I be getting scared on onset after the 1st but I'm able to push through that. Its the 2nd that really gets me. Should I change technique to try to do one big milky hit and just rocket ship there, or should I practice and get used to the 1st then the 2nd so I can push to the 3rd?

I think part of my fear comes from not knowing if what I'm inhaling is toxic and the intense feeling on the lungs and body only exemplify this thought. This is what my current extract looks like. Today for my test I used the more white pile cause I've heard that is the more "pure". The more yellow one should be ok though right?
Looks good to me, if you just used the normal ingredients (vinegar, lye, naphta) and pipetted off the naphta without any mhrb+lye particulate, the end product should be very pure.

You don't want any dark "specks" in your freeze precipitation dish.
 
Looks good to me, if you just used the normal ingredients (vinegar, lye, naphta) and pipetted off the naphta without any mhrb+lye particulate, the end product should be very pure.

You don't want any dark "specks" in your freeze precipitation dish.
there were a couple crystals that had dark "specks" but I removed them because they looked suspicious and I (for the most part) knew what I was looking for
 
oh wow i just took one big hit and now im here i was not afraid i held it in and went straight through the hallway no hand no parents I did not need a guide. i think i am meeting someone they did not come through a door but rather out of me. did i meet me? or you? or god? i dont know but it was beautiful. i do not feel the need to take another dose for a while. maybe next time i wish to break the veil in a month or so. am i still in the realm? will i wake tomorrow to see this message on the board or will i need to rewrite this. i do not know and i do not care in this moment. i am awake

OK. now that I know I'm back I'm actually not even sure if I went all the way. Its kinda hard to tell when so much is happening, but the experience didn't feel like it lasted a long time. could be because I spent this trip with open eyes and I did not "pass out / fall asleep" like people describe when they smoke this. Basically I pretty much filled this spoon with the spice to measure how much to put into my pipe. like I said above one big hit and held it in for as long as I could (time quickly became a blur). Pretty much when I exhaled I was hallucinating intensely and had extremely intense and vivid fractals when I closed my eyes. I could have smoked more but didn't but that's because I didn't feel like I needed to? Someone else was there for a bit. They just popped up for a second then kinda spun away? idk. They fucked off to wherever. I don't distinctly remember much else of the visuals but I was just sitting on the floor chillin and observing and then I got up and wrote the bit above this. OH WAIT! My timer for the mushrooms I have been drying went off at the end of the trip. I know it had 7mins left. So my trip (if I'm right) should have been about 6-7mins.
 

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I went for another experience today as I felt like the realm was asking for me to visit again. DMT and things akin to its realm have been showing up in my life the past few days but I was not ready for the past two days. Today I was ready. The experience was beautiful once again. I think I met the jester this time or at least there was a really happy fellow who loved dancing. I did keep my eyes closed this time as I was less afraid than before, still afraid but that is ok. This time I felt like I was welcome to explore as pathways were shown to me that led to different places. I chose to stay seated though. I did ask one question too much of DMT this time as my body was not feeling good. I asked for that feeling to leave and it didn't. As I was leaving and returning to myself I thanked the experience and apologized and as the last breath of the experience I heard a voice say "you're welcome". Once again I am good for now and will await signs and feelings to re-appear in my life before I partake again. OH! I also brought my dragon stuffed animal friend and I thanked him for he helped me be more comfortable as I was entering the realm. I did manage to take and hold in Three hits this time though the experience was just as fruitful as when I was able to do one big hit. I was not capable of doing one big hit this time and I think that was my test. I was allowed to do it in one big hit last time but this time the realm told me it wasn't going to give me that grace again and that I HAD to face taking all three hits and I realized it after the first hit. I hope the next time I visit that I am brave enough to go for a walk and explore. THANK YOU everybody who helped me with information on the extraction.
 
In my experience, it'll happen when you're ready. Fear is normal. "Letting go", of your fear-driven compulsion to stay in control of the situation, is something that can happen spontaneously. Like falling asleep, you can't necessarily force the moment, you have to let it happen. It probably makes it easier to let go once you've built up some experience and trust with it. It can always surprise you, so there's pretty much always that "what if" gut feeling when going into it. But if you can remind yourself that everything's going to be okay, relax, smile, take a breath -- that seems to be the ticket in. Holding in the hits makes a big difference, try to make all the hits big hits held for 10-15 seconds.

And I completely understand what you mean about some of your fear relating to whether you're smoking toxic compounds. Cleaning it up with purification can make a noticeable difference. Color unfortunately doesn't mean much. Yellow can be just as pure or more pure than white samples. Color can be affected by impurities that are less than 1% of total mass. Basically, don't worry too much about it. Your DMT is probably over 90% pure already. Besides the hits being a little harsh, there's not any significant health risks I'm aware of from inhaling crude spice.

But if you would like the peace of mind we can help you go through clean up steps. Paranoia can affect the trip more than purification.
 
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