400mg was quite strong for SWIM, but he still hasn't quite reached the LSD-like levels that he's reached with the brew. He's still left wondering whether that's simply a matter of dosage or whether heating has effected it at all.
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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)
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970Codfert
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Looks like I'm waiting til tomorrow too, the weather is not going to permit getting lost in the forest tonight, and I don't feel like staring at the walls of my apartment for 10 hours.
Our first experiences will most likely match up!! Neat-o!
Well since swim owes you for the tek i'd better realate their experience for you then...
Swim had never done an extraction before, he'd tried drinking cactus tea and taking cactus powder in gel caps; both were too much effort for the results. So swim decided to give an extraction a go, largely because he found this tek as he wasn't keen at all to work with petrochemicals.
Swim dried his blended cactus in the oven with the door open and the heat on low, followed instructions as best as possible and made a mess he's glad wasn't toxic or overly caustic or otherwise dangerous. Then he dried his results in the oven again. All this extra heat undoubtably affected the results, but time was of the essence and there'll be a chance for a proper go at it in the future.
Despite the haste swim was left with something roughly resembling the waxy brownish peel featured earlier in this thread. The product was still sticky/damp which must have affected the weight (input? also could of been excess limo, swim wasn't all that good with the turkey baster) because a quarter of a 00 gel cap weighed about 400mg. I took that much first off, at about 10 hours from the start of the experiment.
An hour later having a shower became an almost overwhelming experience. SwIm took two more similar sized doses over the next six hours and smiled and hummed his way round the house all night with the most beautiful energy, eventually going to sleep quite easily just before dawn (weather didn't cooperate and he wasn't going to see the sunrise). Got up after 5ish hours sleep and could still feel a slight buzz, nothing like that horrible stuff that is meth or bzp, or even too much caffeine which swim dislikes, only thing he has to compare it to is the energy from LSD and that's not quite it. I'm sure you know what swim's talking about.
With plenty of pedro at hand this tek will be repeated, probably numerous times, and with more care swim expects better results.
Thank you Ron, no matter how much praise this thread attracts it's not enough and if karma helps you receive even a tiny fraction of the enjoyment it brings to all the swimmers in the world out there then i'm sure you'll be a very happy man, i hope so, you deserve it.
Swim had never done an extraction before, he'd tried drinking cactus tea and taking cactus powder in gel caps; both were too much effort for the results. So swim decided to give an extraction a go, largely because he found this tek as he wasn't keen at all to work with petrochemicals.
Swim dried his blended cactus in the oven with the door open and the heat on low, followed instructions as best as possible and made a mess he's glad wasn't toxic or overly caustic or otherwise dangerous. Then he dried his results in the oven again. All this extra heat undoubtably affected the results, but time was of the essence and there'll be a chance for a proper go at it in the future.
Despite the haste swim was left with something roughly resembling the waxy brownish peel featured earlier in this thread. The product was still sticky/damp which must have affected the weight (input? also could of been excess limo, swim wasn't all that good with the turkey baster) because a quarter of a 00 gel cap weighed about 400mg. I took that much first off, at about 10 hours from the start of the experiment.
An hour later having a shower became an almost overwhelming experience. SwIm took two more similar sized doses over the next six hours and smiled and hummed his way round the house all night with the most beautiful energy, eventually going to sleep quite easily just before dawn (weather didn't cooperate and he wasn't going to see the sunrise). Got up after 5ish hours sleep and could still feel a slight buzz, nothing like that horrible stuff that is meth or bzp, or even too much caffeine which swim dislikes, only thing he has to compare it to is the energy from LSD and that's not quite it. I'm sure you know what swim's talking about.
With plenty of pedro at hand this tek will be repeated, probably numerous times, and with more care swim expects better results.
Thank you Ron, no matter how much praise this thread attracts it's not enough and if karma helps you receive even a tiny fraction of the enjoyment it brings to all the swimmers in the world out there then i'm sure you'll be a very happy man, i hope so, you deserve it.
On the topic of energy, Swim tells me it was sort of like LSD in that it was inspiring, but what it really felt like was peering over the top of a ridge you've just climbed, feeling the wind sting your face and drive the air into your lungs as your eyes water and struggle to take in the rugged, forrest covered vista spreading away from you and up, up, up to the snowy heights of the main range... breathtaking...
or so i'm told
or so i'm told
ommani
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SWIM tried 10g in capsules of ground up pieces of san pedro from FV and found it to be pretty stimulating at that dose... swim went to a reggae show and had lots of energy to dance, but felt over-stimulated and had to drink about 5 beers to feel grounded again... this worked out well cause the beer helped swim to relax and the cactus kept him up and full of energy, which was really a nice balance... swim felt like he was a lot less affected by drinking than usual, as he would most likely not drink that much if he wasn't so energized... paradoxically, it seems that SWIM is able to handle the energizing effects of cactus better at higher doses when it starts to have visual effects.69ron said:
SWIM also likes to drink some beer on this extract...it calms the energy a little bit and you really can drink a lot...which is kinda sucky because then you can wake up hung over because you drank so much and didnt know it
so here is some new news
SWIM tried using his fumaric acid saturated water(FASW) on some d-limo with mescaline in it...well the mescaline fumarate doesnt go into the water...but it doesnt stay in the d-limonene either...SWIM did this twice..the first one he just evaporated and was left with just some yellow colored fumaric acid..but the second one he let sit for awhile...and what happened is that the mescaline fumarate has precipitated out of the d-limonene...but its floating on the surface of the water
so now SWIM just needs to figure out how hes going to get it out of there...and hes thinking he can wash off the d-limonene with some cool water and then decant and let the mescaline fumarate dry out
then hes gonna have to test it..
so here is some new news
SWIM tried using his fumaric acid saturated water(FASW) on some d-limo with mescaline in it...well the mescaline fumarate doesnt go into the water...but it doesnt stay in the d-limonene either...SWIM did this twice..the first one he just evaporated and was left with just some yellow colored fumaric acid..but the second one he let sit for awhile...and what happened is that the mescaline fumarate has precipitated out of the d-limonene...but its floating on the surface of the water
so now SWIM just needs to figure out how hes going to get it out of there...and hes thinking he can wash off the d-limonene with some cool water and then decant and let the mescaline fumarate dry out
then hes gonna have to test it..
Maybe he did something wrong? I hope you have better luck.
970Codfert
Rising Star
Okay... so, four SWIMs split about 800mg in two doses over the course of about 4 hours (200mg each). SWIMs went on a very nice hike and all felt really good, but didn't experience any psychedelic effects at any point.
Most of the day, SWIM has felt like he was gonna start tripping out any second, he has felt quite euphoric alllllll day:d . we've split the rest of what we think was about 300mg. another lil chunker for each of us. But SWIM hasn't had a decent scale to work with, so we've just been eyeballing everything.
He DOES know that the final yield weighed at least 1.1g because he weighed it on a legit scale.
SWIM is not necessarily disappointed, he's felt REALLY great all day and was sharing. he will have to just take a bigger dose next time.
Also, SWIM was wondering if maybe using an oven set at 200 to evaporate the vinegar pulls was too hot??? could this effect potency?
The evap from the first limonene pull was a little bit different in consistency, it was thicker and it hardened to the point where he could break chunks off as opposed to the 2nd thru 4th which didn't quite reach the same consistency, they remained a little gooey. Is that normal?
Should the all pulls be mostly equal in potency?
Thanks
Most of the day, SWIM has felt like he was gonna start tripping out any second, he has felt quite euphoric alllllll day:d . we've split the rest of what we think was about 300mg. another lil chunker for each of us. But SWIM hasn't had a decent scale to work with, so we've just been eyeballing everything.
He DOES know that the final yield weighed at least 1.1g because he weighed it on a legit scale.
SWIM is not necessarily disappointed, he's felt REALLY great all day and was sharing. he will have to just take a bigger dose next time.
Also, SWIM was wondering if maybe using an oven set at 200 to evaporate the vinegar pulls was too hot??? could this effect potency?
The evap from the first limonene pull was a little bit different in consistency, it was thicker and it hardened to the point where he could break chunks off as opposed to the 2nd thru 4th which didn't quite reach the same consistency, they remained a little gooey. Is that normal?
Should the all pulls be mostly equal in potency?
Thanks
69ron
Rising Star
Jorkest said:
Yeah, just add hydrochloric acid to make mescaline HCl from it. Unfortunately you can’t do this with vinegar because fumaric acid is a stronger acid than acetic acid.
The other option is to freebase it by mixing it with alkaline water (pH 11 is good enough). Then after freebasing it, salt it out with vinegar or HCl.
69ron said:
SWEET..he figured vinegar wouldnt be good enough..but its nice knowing he has some options..thanks for the info dude! he will most likely freebase it again..because he doesnt have HCl at the moment...hes sorta running low on materials...needs acetone and the HCl..not really running out of stuff..but..gotta have the necessities..
970Codfert
Rising Star
SWIM has 100g of cactus on its way.... he will go for the pure white this time, that sounds like the way to go. He's also looking forward to isolating the other San Pedro alkaloid, it made him feel great.
kaos.underwave
Rising Star
I'm jealous. SWIMs yielding 5.2g from 120g of cactus, after making lots of mess and messing up lots...
Looks like lots more drying too, but I think he must have siphoned off quite a lot of oil into the evaporating trays with the vinegar, because the extract is only just active. SWIM rizla bombed 250mg of the combined first limo pull product, and went to lie in the park in the sun. It was a lovely day, loads of people about and he felt fantastic. This calm, clear feeling of euphoria made him really peaceful and happy for the whole day, but he noticed no psychedelic effects to speak of - other than the fact that sunbathing and listening to hundreds of different voices constantly move through the air around him for a few hours was a novel and trippy experience. SWIM boosted with another 290mg later in the day, but to no effect. SEWIM bombed 500mg, and didn't feel anything after 2 hrs - but has yet to report back.
Kinda frustrating, but SWIM's sure he will get there in the end. He plans to systematically assay the stuff in each evaporation tray, at 333mg, to ascertain if it is just a bad pull; and if there is still no result of interest, he will double that and do the rounds again. He will make sure no oil whatsoever makes it into the vinegar washes of the 3rd and final limo pull, and see if that makes a difference. SWIM just ate 333mg of the 2nd limo batch.
SWIM would like to attempt this again now that he has experience of the tek and some better equipment [soon], but wants to use a different supplier. HP looks cheap and good shipping, but conflicting reports...might gamble anyway? I'll turn SWIM on to suggestions if anyone can help? All you samaritans who have had good experiences recently, please post or pm, help us get there
Looks like lots more drying too, but I think he must have siphoned off quite a lot of oil into the evaporating trays with the vinegar, because the extract is only just active. SWIM rizla bombed 250mg of the combined first limo pull product, and went to lie in the park in the sun. It was a lovely day, loads of people about and he felt fantastic. This calm, clear feeling of euphoria made him really peaceful and happy for the whole day, but he noticed no psychedelic effects to speak of - other than the fact that sunbathing and listening to hundreds of different voices constantly move through the air around him for a few hours was a novel and trippy experience. SWIM boosted with another 290mg later in the day, but to no effect. SEWIM bombed 500mg, and didn't feel anything after 2 hrs - but has yet to report back.
Kinda frustrating, but SWIM's sure he will get there in the end. He plans to systematically assay the stuff in each evaporation tray, at 333mg, to ascertain if it is just a bad pull; and if there is still no result of interest, he will double that and do the rounds again. He will make sure no oil whatsoever makes it into the vinegar washes of the 3rd and final limo pull, and see if that makes a difference. SWIM just ate 333mg of the 2nd limo batch.
SWIM would like to attempt this again now that he has experience of the tek and some better equipment [soon], but wants to use a different supplier. HP looks cheap and good shipping, but conflicting reports...might gamble anyway? I'll turn SWIM on to suggestions if anyone can help? All you samaritans who have had good experiences recently, please post or pm, help us get there