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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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Virola78 said:
^ that is a question that has been on my mind too...
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So how much did you find in your evaporation dish? :p :p
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Yeah, it seems some people on here swear by shaking the piss out of it; however, someone on bluelight said to treat it like a naptha pull from an STB (MHRB), so I'm not too pessimistic now.

SWIM is still waiting for the evaporation because he doesn't have a dehydrator and fears ruining everything in an oven. He had it under a fan last night, split between two dishes to speed up the process.
 
One of my two dishes has evaporated all the liquid, but it's looking like SWIM didn't get much. There's brown waxy stuff, but not much. Between the two dishes (which contain 3-4 vinegar pulls from the first cactus pull) there probably won't be even a single dose. The other pulls are still in a jar in solution.
 
dg said:
that is horrible advice//really bad

unless it is 25-50% impurities then that dosage to start is very high
i've seen people loose it on 5-600mg of pure material, 750mg is super intense ime
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My friend wanted to appologize. By no means he meant it as a suggestion or that his product was pure. It wasn't.

As a matter of fact, he thiks that the only reason he is a hardhead is because somehow he doesn't allow the plants to work to their full potential on him. However, through his daily meditation practice he is starting to learn how to change that. And it seems like it is working. He needs to learn how to open up to it rather than just make up for it by large amounts! Communicating with it has proven to be exremely beneficial also!!
 
Sorry I couldn't read all 50 pages of this thread, but before I embark on this project I need to ask:

Is it something that must be done all in one day? I very rarely have that much time in one day to do extractions. I feel like cactus goes bad when wet, though, pretty easily, at least in my limited experience.
 
to moyshekapoyre: YES that's doable in one day if you start early and set yourself with good pieces of equipement, ex: french-press seems to be a really cool and practical idea and get a good and efficient tool to get the vinegars pull as SWIM did it with a syringe but it broke during the last pull and gave SWIM a nice orange oil shower... maybe the gravy stuff is nice. Good luck anyway.

Thanks so much 69ron this was straight forward and enjoyable, with about 30g of peruvian torch SWIM's got about 1g of yellow crystalin stuff. The first pull was a reddish goo though more like jimjam but the three next ones gave yellow powdery crystals, does that seem right?

Can't wait to give it a try, any advice on dosage for a first experience with mesc, or the infos with the tech is quite accurate?
Like for a MDMA-like effect is 100mg a good start?

Thanks friends
 
100-150mg is a great place to start. I don't know if I would say it's MDMA like but it really is a good starting point. Figuring that you have an impure mescaline acetate you're taking something equivalent to threshold or a bit above.
 
SWIM got that from a thread somewhere that low dose of mescaline was comparable to MDMA in some way, both would be quite related at some point too... But anyway cheers Opiyum SWIM will try soon and report back then, 100-150mg with some guayusa tea will be tested
 
Again have not yet read the entire 50 some pages, but I followed the original tek on page 1. Only thing I did different was I tripled the recipe, so 300g powder from HP, 100g lime, over 1000ml d-limo (enough that there is quite a lot of it that is easy to siphon off). I'm getting shitty yields. First yield was 500mg total alks. Second pull gave a bit less, I'm still drying it but it looks like maybe 200 or 300mg. For the second pull I first blended it all up with a blender, thinking that would make a difference, but it didn't. Now I'm doing a third pull but my hopes are low.
It couldn't be that the powder has such low % alks, could it? I mean, I tried eating only 7g of the powder (admittedly my first mesc experience) and it felt like quite a nice all-day high, with some waves of intense emotion, so I imagine it couldn't have been much less than 100mg of TA in that 7g I ate, since that is supposedly the threshold dose for most people. Let's say there was only 70mg alks in that 7g. Well, still that means I should have 3g alks in my 300g of powder. So not sure why I'm getting such crap yields with this tek.
 
So one thing I've noticed is a fair amount of emulsions at the stage of mixing vinegar with d-limo. I'm beginning to wonder if many alks are trapped in the emulsions? I have already decided to take off the emulsions in a separate dish and dry them. How then would I remove the d-limo from that final product? Does it just evap off or would the MEK get rid of it or what? Does this idea sound not worth doing?
 
moyshekapoyre said:
Sorry I couldn't read all 50 pages of this thread, but before I embark on this project I need to ask:

Is it something that must be done all in one day? I very rarely have that much time in one day to do extractions. I feel like cactus goes bad when wet, though, pretty easily, at least in my limited experience.
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Mesc extraction takes the cat a whole week.

Not sure it is written in the tek but imo it helps to basify (cactus powder - water - calciumhydroxide) for a whole day before adding NP. Also, some cats let the cactus mix and NP stay in contact for a whole day before pouring it off for salting. So basifying and 4 NP pulls will take the animal 5 days to complete. Im not counting the slow evaporation at roomtemp.

He is lazy cat but, he sure aint impatient. I suggest you train your cat to adopt more patient attitude.

Soon the cat will do another extraction.
He will do it step by step. Perhaps he will allow me to make pictures..
 
i'm not having any luck with cactus extractions for some reason. so i got 100g of Trichocereus pachanoi Dried Incense Pieces from heavenly products, and powdered them in the blender. i proceeded to follow the tek as best i could, leaving the 3rd limonene soak to sit overnight. i ran a total of 900ml thru the mix, and and salted each pull separately with vinegar. all 225 ml vinegar was left to evaporate, to yield maybe 200mg amber goo. the thing that seemed odd this time was the limonene did not take on much color, and the vinegar even less.

so after all this was done, i decided to add 25g more lime to the cactus, figuring that the original mix may not have been basified enough. then added another 300ml limonene. this sat for 2 days, and it took on much more color than before, so i salted it with 25ml vinegar, but the vinegar remained almost clear. have not evapped yet...

any thoughts here? i am really thinking the cactus is weak, and i still have over 100g of chips left, so i can try again-maybe something different? :?
 
So not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but there seems to be quite a bit of alks stuck in the inevitable emulsion of vinegar and d-limo. I just poured the emulsion out and evapped and got 1.5g of the dark brown stuff. So now my total is up to 5g from 300g of powder from HP. I'm going to keep pulling until I stop getting anything. I read somewhere that one shouldn't do more than four pulls, but we'll see.
I also just did a MEK wash on 4g of my product, and it looks like, unfortunately, most of it was washed away :( ... and it's still tan as opposed to white. I'll know exactly how much I have left once I evap all the MEK off. But it looks like maybe 1g is left. That would be disappointing.
 
btw, does anyone know what the purity is of this tan product after a couple MEK washes? would it be something like 95%? and is it at all noticeably different (in experience) from 99% pure white mesc.?
 
Hi guys
SWIM is rally pissed off, he was happy to find a source of d-limo (even if he had to sell one of his kidney to afford it...), he then made a test with it: mixed with water, a white emulsion happend but after a while two layers were showing.
So he started his extraction and at the stage to let sit the d-limo for a few hours in the basified cactus, when he came back the mix was really slimy and no way to get back the f***ing "d-limo" as it was like a puding instead of being oily...
His question is: Is this because of the solvent that is mixed with some crap? And is there a way to check that? Is the cactus completly lost?

Thanks for any clue because SWIM is quite down :-(
 
he then made a test with it: mixed with water, a white emulsion happend but after a while two layers were showing./quote]

sorry, mate, but this does not sound like u have pure d-limonene. there should be no white emulsion at all when you add water to limonene. only clear bubbles that separate immediately.--like vegetable oil and water.

i hate to say it, but if you cant get real d-limonene, maybe you can salvage using (perish the thought) xylene.?--yuk!
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Cheers man, that's what was expected after seeing the weird pudding... But still hopefull the mix is going to be dried out and maybe saved with pure orange oil this time, SWIM's hoping he will be able to get the goodies without too much crap added at the end!
Bloody supplier who doesn't know what is in his product!!!

Thanks biopsylo but xylene will be avoided though... Experience's always teaching onself, 85g wasted next time SWIM won't be so impatient and will do more testings ;-)
 
Curiouskid said:
His question is: Is this because of the solvent that is mixed with some crap? And is there a way to check that? Is the cactus completly lost?
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Your seller must provide MSDS on request.
 
SWIM just dumb sometime, he trusts too much: They assured hime it was only d-limo a few times and it was the only ingredient on the label so... But he learned his lesson, the not too hard way hopefully...
 
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