gratefuldave
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swim just got 1kg of mimosa, what all chemicals\tools does he need and where can he find them... thanks
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Google. Read. (Or should we smoke it for you too?) Then come back and ask questions.
Teh interweb is big. Bigger than you. There are lots of people on the interweb. You can generally assume than any basic question you might ask on a forum has been asked before, and starting a new thread on a topic that has been covered many times before, without even reading those previous threads first, is a bit lazy. Because I'm feeling charitable; http://www.dmt-nexus.me/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1541 http://www.dmt-nexus.me/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=460 Erowid Mimosa (Jurema) Vault : DMT for the Masses Erowid DMT Vaults : Extraction : QT's DMT Extraction Guide Read all of that, follow some links, read some more, then if you have any specific questions after that come back here and ask them. Before starting a new thread see if there are any obvious older ones on the same topic that you can just add your comments to.
[quote:ee694fad0a="gratefuldave"]swim just got 1kg of mimosa, what all chemicals\tools does he need and where can he find them... thanks[/quote:ee694fad0a] I think every single tek you find tells you what you need a-z so start reading. That's what everyone else here did.
SWIM tried LazyMan's tek but it appears that he has grossly miscalculated quantities of water and lye. Here is what he's got in his jar. 70 g of MHRB pulverised 300 ml of water + 40 g. of NaOH (lab grade) 120 ml of heptane (lab grade) After 24 hrs he's got thick black mush and a very thin layer of heptane on top. He agitated the jar a dozen times and each time there was less heptane separating on top. There is no visible emulsion. Is it possible/advisable at this stage to add more water and lye? He calculated that according to Noman's tek he would need another 700ml of H2O and 30 g of NaOH. Excessive heptane will be evaped before freeze-precip. He plans to do 3 pulls with heptane. He will appreciate any suggestions.
[quote:bfefc1a555](Or should we smoke it for you too?) [/quote:bfefc1a555] lolololololol :lol: :lol: read before posting questions and btw those calculations are wrong read the tek carefully and you will realize that for 70g of mimosa you should use 70g of naoh, also add some more water 1l should do the trick trickester someone correct me if im wrong 
by reading one will conquer the knowledge, by asking one will get lost
by reading one will conquer the knowledge, by asking one will get lost
SWIM derived his figures from - http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9217 Specifically from this paragraph: +++++++ Extraction advice; soak longer, extract more with less work: Instead of all of the multiple extractions one after the other you could save yourself some work by just throwing 500 grams of broken pieces of root bark into 2 liters of water with 200 grams of NaOH dissolved into the water and then pour in 750 ml of naphtha and set the whole container aside for three days, stirring just once a day for 20 minutes at a time. +++++++ He guessed that his mistake was to think that this tek would work with powdered root bark as well with whole. Now SWIM has recalculated the figures as per Noman's tek and added 700 ml of water + 30 g of lye. He said that the polar layer remained beautifully black and heptane had separated. So he seems to be on the right track. Now SWIM's got a problem. He has to wait for a sep funnel and vacuum filtering device to arrive for 2 more days so he's worried if the spice may be damaged. Hopefully it would not. With such a long first pull how many more pulls would be advisable?
Hugh Cronic
Travis
sry guys Just wanting to know sum things like what is SWIM , im guessing its a referal to someones name like john doe??? And whats the a/b part of extracting is it the first step with the waternlye ??? sry for bieng a newb me and a buddy got 2lb coming of mrhb and were going to try a few different teks to see what one has a btter final production . 
So we are both newbs at this , we are going to take some pics of our exeriement so maybe you guys can help if we get in a bind :lol:
So we are both newbs at this , we are going to take some pics of our exeriement so maybe you guys can help if we get in a bind :lol:because it's nearly xmas here you go: [code:1:817505aeb4] http://www.dmt-nexus.me/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=460 [/code:1:817505aeb4] read it top to bottom , a to z , i believe that in the end you wont need to ask any more questions 
it's fairly easy , to some with an open mind and dedication
it's fairly easy , to some with an open mind and dedication
Hugh Cronic
Travis
i have a bottle of "naptha hydroteated heavy", is this the same as plain naptha and if not would it still work in the extraction process?
Hugh Cronic
Travis
i evaporated a small amout over heat and as it was evaporating it seemed to be leaving an oily residue but the oily residue evaporated completely soon afterwards. does that mean it could work?
Hugh Cronic
Travis
Well we got er done , we have 3 jars with roughly 50ml of naptha extract in the freezer for the night. Funny thing is once we seperatied the naptha from the other stuff . instantly there was like this oil like substance at the bottom , not much of it though . Is this bad??? will it hurt my outcome tommar when i scape it out and amonia it ??? or is that the spice itself forming fast???
Hugh Cronic
Travis
WEll this morning I looked in the freeezer only to find . . . .. . Crystals in our jars wOOOT . now I myself wait for my lab partner for another half hour to come over and we will do the final step which is to strain jars of naptha through a coffee filter . . . dry out crystals .. . and hyper space awaits... We were thinking of the recrytalization for bigger crystals but considering we only used 50g this first batch we said fhuuukk it ...wait till next batch today when we will use at least 100g We would post pics but were also noobs at html for posting lol :lol: :shock:
SWIM's got about 100 ml out of 120 ml of heptane added for the first pull. Is this normal? He's carefully separated the NP solvent from the basified bark solution. The separated heptane is light yellow colour. Now he added 70 ml of fresh heptane and plans to leave it there for 12 hours or so. He assumed that evapping the first pull to 50 ml or less would be required. He plans to add the second pull to the first and evap 2 combined pulls to 70 ml. Then SWIM plans to freeze-precip the solution. Now he just asked me if his plan is sensible. What you guys think about it? TIA.
Hugh Cronic
Travis
we are ding the same thing combining pulls so once we find out tommar well post our discovery
Emptyhands222
Rising Star
SWIM has a few questions about wether hes doing his first extraction correct or not He started with an A/B tripple dunk then added all 3 pulls into a 1 pint jar 1/2 full. at this part the solution was completely filtered through a wire strain for bulk seperation followed by a coffee filter for furter filtering. at this point the solution was a Dark red almost black letting very little light in. He then took the solution and added Naptha for about 30 mins mixing it all around several time to try to defatt which he later came to learn might have been uneeded with MHRB but anyway.... the emulsion quickly seperated at this point no matter how hard it was shook... after seperating the VM&P naptha back out He took the dark read portion still 1/2 a pint and to it was added about 1/3 a pint of a pre measured water/NaOH solution. this created the only heat in the process so far... all other processes were attemped at a little about room temp in a moderate to warm climite. the solutions ph rose from around 2-4 the whole way up to around 11-12 and turned immidietly a smoke grey color in the first minute then slowly changed to a darker Grey/verydarkgreen mix... at this point he is not sure what color he is supposed to be looking for to know the extraction has completed but at this point its very very dark yet still a green/grey tint cant be seen and it has goin from a very fast liquid to more of a sludge with considerable thickness for a liqued almost like a watered down gravy or some sort. My friend read that the next step was to re intrduce the NP solvent (VM&P naptha in his case) which he did in an amount of 2/5naptha to 3/5 of the dark grey/green sludge and his next move was to shake it well attemping to mix the room temp naptha well throughout the sludge. He shook the mix several times and each time it turned into 1 solution then quickly resolved into 2 distint parts again no matter how hard it was stirred or shaken it always resolved quickly into 2 layers instead of creating any substantial emulsions. his final step was to extract the still completely clear looking naptha at approxmently 24 hours after it was intoduced... If we understand corrently the spice should now have falling into the naptha and be ready for evaporation, and we hope so cause he just currently placed the liquid into 3 glass dishes with a fan assisting in evaporation, howver at this point the sludge still remains in 1 jar and the naptha at 24 hours+ is still clear. Anyone who has info in if he did this correct or what can be done or changed to help speed up / produce some sort of results as this being his first attempt and us both being confused by the amount and sheer variety in differences of the teks out there we can use any input that anyone can offer. sory for the newb post but he has 50g bark invested in this and would love to see his first extraction be sucessfull... he would also like to know what if anything can be done if this will be a failure, to rectify or correct the problem from any of the jars A (plant material still in 3ph acid) Jar B Dark Grey/green liquid)
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