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Generally, a powdered material should be more amenable to extraction, but - particularly if using STB methods - there may be a higher risk of emulsion due to the fine particles.
The crucial thing would be to use a rocking and rolling action when bringing the naphtha and base soup into contact, rather than than the vigorous shaking which is often suggested.
ThatGuysDay
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Good evening everyone!
After a lot of reading I decided to give the Q21Q21 Vinegar Lime tek a try using D-Lemonine.
Sadly I've come to realise that now that I have a masonjar of salted vinegar, I havent got a clue as to move on from here.
The tek makes it sound quite simple: Boil it down - Collect the jimjam - Smoke from a copper washer
Then I started reading more on how to do it and came to the conclusion that I should have read more from the start. I've read quite a few opinions about how smoking jimjam is quite unhealthy and uncomfortable as its DMT acetate and not DMT Freebase (apparently, I'm honestly too uneducated to even determine if thats correct).
I read some more and people are saying theres a way to convert the jimjam goop to freebase using sodium carbonate (from sodium bicarbonate) or through freeze precipitation (which apparently doesnt work using this tek?).
Now I'm a bit paralyzed and unsure on how to go on. I've read some people saying that anything made using the Q-tek is basically just worth throwing away, but I'd be quite sad about wasting what I made (and a good pot I will never get clean again), with only experience as my gain.
Does anyone have ideas or could help guide me into a direction?
Short version: I have genuinely no idea how to get my Q-Tek salted vinegar into a smokeable form and dont even know what to look for.
Heres my little jar of salted vinegar
After a lot of reading I decided to give the Q21Q21 Vinegar Lime tek a try using D-Lemonine.
Sadly I've come to realise that now that I have a masonjar of salted vinegar, I havent got a clue as to move on from here.
The tek makes it sound quite simple: Boil it down - Collect the jimjam - Smoke from a copper washer
Then I started reading more on how to do it and came to the conclusion that I should have read more from the start. I've read quite a few opinions about how smoking jimjam is quite unhealthy and uncomfortable as its DMT acetate and not DMT Freebase (apparently, I'm honestly too uneducated to even determine if thats correct).
I read some more and people are saying theres a way to convert the jimjam goop to freebase using sodium carbonate (from sodium bicarbonate) or through freeze precipitation (which apparently doesnt work using this tek?).
Now I'm a bit paralyzed and unsure on how to go on. I've read some people saying that anything made using the Q-tek is basically just worth throwing away, but I'd be quite sad about wasting what I made (and a good pot I will never get clean again), with only experience as my gain.
Does anyone have ideas or could help guide me into a direction?
Short version: I have genuinely no idea how to get my Q-Tek salted vinegar into a smokeable form and dont even know what to look for.
Heres my little jar of salted vinegar
OK, so the DMT gets converted into the freebase form by the lime paste, which renders it soluble in the limonene. The freebase can then accept a proton from the acetic acid in the vinegar, converting it back into the water-soluble 'salt' form. In the vinegar solution there are solvated DMT.H+ ions, balanced out by the negative acetate ions, which are what you get when a proton is removed from an acetic acid molecule.Good evening everyone!
After a lot of reading I decided to give the Q21Q21 Vinegar Lime tek a try using D-Lemonine.
Sadly I've come to realise that now that I have a masonjar of salted vinegar, I havent got a clue as to move on from here.
The tek makes it sound quite simple: Boil it down - Collect the jimjam - Smoke from a copper washer
Then I started reading more on how to do it and came to the conclusion that I should have read more from the start. I've read quite a few opinions about how smoking jimjam is quite unhealthy and uncomfortable as its DMT acetate and not DMT Freebase (apparently, I'm honestly too uneducated to even determine if thats correct).
I read some more and people are saying theres a way to convert the jimjam goop to freebase using sodium carbonate (from sodium bicarbonate) or through freeze precipitation (which apparently doesnt work using this tek?).
Now I'm a bit paralyzed and unsure on how to go on. I've read some people saying that anything made using the Q-tek is basically just worth throwing away, but I'd be quite sad about wasting what I made (and a good pot I will never get clean again), with only experience as my gain.
Does anyone have ideas or could help guide me into a direction?
Short version: I have genuinely no idea how to get my Q-Tek salted vinegar into a smokeable form and dont even know what to look for.
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Heres my little jar of salted vinegar
Gently boiling down the vinegar will leave you with DMT acetate as a goo. Don't apply too much heat at the end or you'll risk destroying or otherwise losing that product: switch to a hot water bath (bain Marie), desiccator, or a dehydrator if you want it completely dry. Otherwise, you can convert it to freebase once more by using sodium carbonate (a.k.a. washing soda) or the pickling lime which you already have.
Mix that thoroughly with the goo that you have, plus enough water to make a firm but smooth paste.
Allow that to dry completely using only the gentlest of heat.
Make a few pulls using a sufficient but not excessive amount of acetone, ethanol or isopropanol, decanting carefully to prevent any particulates carrying over.
Evaporate solvent to collect waxy or gooey freebase product.
You may need to stir this around a few times now and then until all the solvent residue has gone. The solvents will also leave a bit of water residue, so you can put it in a desiccator if it seems damp at the end pf the evaporation process.
DMT Extraction Overview
Edited by Mod to include the update presented on Page #2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Well, I figured it's about time to revamp this extraction overview. I'm adding a little bit more detail, and also adding in the FASA option. I just...
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This thread has a ton of useful info, if you're willing to dig into it a bit!
Extracting DMT with ethanol, vinegar and sodium carbonate
I just did some test extraction recently to see the viability of this method. It's just one more idea into developing teks with different household chemicals. It isnt supposed to substitute other teks, just checking out another option. The more methods we have to extract (and the more varied...
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Or, if you have naphtha/heptane and some lye, you could just add base to the vinegar, pull with the naphtha, then freeze precipitate.
ThatGuysDay
Rising Star
Thank you for your guidance I really appreciate it!OK, so the DMT gets converted into the freebase form by the lime paste, which renders it soluble in the limonene. The freebase can then accept a proton from the acetic acid in the vinegar, converting it back into the water-soluble 'salt' form. In the vinegar solution there are solvated DMT.H+ ions, balanced out by the negative acetate ions, which are what you get when a proton is removed from an acetic acid molecule.
Gently boiling down the vinegar will leave you with DMT acetate as a goo. Don't apply too much heat at the end or you'll risk destroying or otherwise losing that product: switch to a hot water bath (bain Marie), desiccator, or a dehydrator if you want it completely dry. Otherwise, you can convert it to freebase once more by using sodium carbonate (a.k.a. washing soda) or the pickling lime which you already have.
Mix that thoroughly with the goo that you have, plus enough water to make a firm but smooth paste.
Allow that to dry completely using only the gentlest of heat.
Make a few pulls using a sufficient but not excessive amount of acetone, ethanol or isopropanol, decanting carefully to prevent any particulates carrying over.
Evaporate solvent to collect waxy or gooey freebase product.
You may need to stir this around a few times now and then until all the solvent residue has gone. The solvents will also leave a bit of water residue, so you can put it in a desiccator if it seems damp at the end pf the evaporation process.
DMT Extraction Overview
Edited by Mod to include the update presented on Page #2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Well, I figured it's about time to revamp this extraction overview. I'm adding a little bit more detail, and also adding in the FASA option. I just...
This thread has a ton of useful info, if you're willing to dig into it a bit!
Extracting DMT with ethanol, vinegar and sodium carbonate
I just did some test extraction recently to see the viability of this method. It's just one more idea into developing teks with different household chemicals. It isnt supposed to substitute other teks, just checking out another option. The more methods we have to extract (and the more varied...
Or, if you have naphtha/heptane and some lye, you could just add base to the vinegar, pull with the naphtha, then freeze precipitate.
Just so I completely understand how to proceed:
1. I gently boil down the vinegar mix until I get the DMT acetate to a goo without destroying it.
2. I can further remove liquid from it through a double boiler (bain marie if I understood correctly) or by taking the goo and dehydrating it (one or the other?)
I have a food dehydrator to make dehydrated fruit snacks with so that would work perfectly.
This would get me down to a DMT acetate crystal? Powder?
Or alternatively:
1. Add the sodium carbonate to the goo
2. Add water to get it to a smooth paste and dry it out gently
3. Add Ethanol or IPA (I read 30ml somewhere)
4. Decant multiple times (so pulls like when I used the vinegar in the original tek)
5. Evaporate to get freebase (also in crystal or powder form?)
Sorry if I'm just repeating things, but I can confidently say that I dont know enough to be confident in what I'm doing.
The "alternative" solution seems like the best way to do it.
I know this also is a very loaded question, with a billion different answers, but what would be the best to go about consuming the freebase?
I've seen the smoking off of copper/steel brushes or washers in a glass pipe before. Other people were suggesting a vaporgenie (currently not available for purchase in Germany). Then people were saying "hey you should vape it instead its way better!"
I know this question doesnt really belong in the extraction thread, but could you perhaps point me in a direction where I could find an answer to this question?
Otherwise I will just look through the vaping/smoking section a bit more
Thank you already for your substantial help!
Your re-stating of the methods helpfully indicates that you've grasped the possible methods already outlined. Getting your head around the principles of extraction helps clarify the whys and wherefores of it, one useful thread being:
EXTRACTION GUIDE: Principles of Alkaloid Extraction (in relation to N,N-Dimethyltryptamine)
This is a comprehensive guide on extracting DMT. This is not really a tek, it's more of a methodology. This guide goes through basic chemistry and how it relates to DMT extractions with respect to people with zero chemistry knowledge. It is pretty thorough, going through basic calculations and...
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Given your location, I'd be inclined to suggest you just get hold of something like Heitmann reine Soda (although of course you presumably still have some Kalkwasser Pulver, which also works for this) and convert your acetate back to freebase to pull with Waschbenzin/Wundbenzin. IPA may work better for the Soda.
DMT acetate will not form crystals or powder under any easily achieved conditions - it's always gooey or waxy.
Your plan of going through the vaping & smoking subforum seems good to me. If you're not into the idea of buying a modbox and mesh RDA, a very simple "Machine" style pipe can be made with a glass straw. The main thing is to vaporise the without burning it. Controlling temperature and airflow (draw) count as two of the key points in this.
ThatGuysDay
Rising Star
You have been incredibly helpful. I really do appreciate it a lot ❤Your re-stating of the methods helpfully indicates that you've grasped the possible methods already outlined. Getting your head around the principles of extraction helps clarify the whys and wherefores of it, one useful thread being:
There are so many ways of turning DMT into an inhalable form that I won't start listing them here. Some are clearly better than others though, even if they all entail a greater or lesser degree of honing the method.EXTRACTION GUIDE: Principles of Alkaloid Extraction (in relation to N,N-Dimethyltryptamine)
This is a comprehensive guide on extracting DMT. This is not really a tek, it's more of a methodology. This guide goes through basic chemistry and how it relates to DMT extractions with respect to people with zero chemistry knowledge. It is pretty thorough, going through basic calculations and...
Given your location, I'd be inclined to suggest you just get hold of something like Heitmann reine Soda (although of course you presumably still have some Kalkwasser Pulver, which also works for this) and convert your acetate back to freebase to pull with Waschbenzin/Wundbenzin. IPA may work better for the Soda.
DMT acetate will not form crystals or powder under any easily achieved conditions - it's always gooey or waxy.
Your plan of going through the vaping & smoking subforum seems good to me. If you're not into the idea of buying a modbox and mesh RDA, a very simple "Machine" style pipe can be made with a glass straw. The main thing is to vaporise the without burning it. Controlling temperature and airflow (draw) count as two of the key points in this.
My biggest trouble so far has been trying to find out what German products I need, considering that most guides use American products so your tips on German products are honestly a lifesaver.
I'll also be looking through all the links you provided. It seems like a lot of content to read through, but I'm positive that it will be worth it in the end.
I will check out this modbox/mesh RDA thing too.
Really thank you so much for your kind help!
Sloxlattor
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Y'all I'm new here and I'm wondering if the stuff turned out right. I followed a guide online on how to extract it and it seems to have worked. The crystals dried outside (where I live in the Northern Hemisphere it is winter and averaging around or below freezing point) . The crystals are white. They smell sweet, almost like gasoline or candy. Their seems to be no noticable Naphtha residue. I don't plan on smoking much at all. No more than 5-10mg. I can share pictures if curious. I got a couple grams out of it at least I would estimate. I'll link the video I followed. Naptha doesn't seem to be something very nice to breathe in. I like my brain.
Hi, welcome!
Sounds like you did a straight-to-base (STB) with MHRB, lye and naphtha? How much bark did you use? It's nice to be able to calculate a percentage yield
Sweet-smelling sounds good - I can sniff the delicate odour of almost completely pure DMT all day. I say "almost" because the afficionados claim that the ultra-pure stuff is odourless. The gasoline smell is a bit more concerning - it could indicate a bit of naphtha residue. Fortunately, this would be fairly straightforward to clean up, most simply by letting the crystals air a while longer. Scents can be hard to describe though - would you say it's more floral, or is it more "solvent-like"? (Again, this is problematic since it depends on the solvent!)
Pictures would be very welcome, as would a bit more of a description of how you performed the extraction.
OK, having read your other post, firstly I would repeat @Varallo's (and my) request to go into more detail. Particularly we need to know exactly what naphtha you used. Did you perform an evaporation test to see that it evaporates cleanly?
The next point is that, technically, one does not 'smoke' DMT, one vaporises it. (This is partly what is behind the in-joke here of using the term "smoalk".) Burnt DMT will be weak and unpleasant and could also be behind the headache you've described.
The lack of effects is probably compounded by the small dose you've been using, although it's quite possible to get profound effects from 10mg if vaped truly efficiently.
A bit (OK, a lot) more information on your smoking technique would help us in sorting this one out.
Sloxlattor
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I won't lie it is a bit difficult to find specific information on this substance. I used VM&P Naphtha specifically to replicate what info I was able to pull from the guide. I thought I read from somewhere that the crystals melt at over 70°F. I siphoned out the lighter fluid from my glass dish and let it dry outside in my shed. It was closely around freezing point. I checked on it once every hour and it seemed to be going well. Everything seems to have gone well so far.
I tried putting it in with some weed and just smoking it like how one would do I suppose. Could have been anxiety from anticipation probably but this 'feeling' I got was off. No visuals or anything really. What I was trying to heat up the DMT by burning a layer of dope on top and seeing if the stuff would turn into a vapor. I'm seeing If I can basically inhale a bit out of a small water bong I have. Until I find a good method for sure the stuff Is staying somewhere cold where it won't melt. I have it sitting in a half ounce glass container sitting in my freezer. I've checked on it and it doesn't seem to be doing anything odd. Just making sure it can be used for human consmption. Learning to use this profound tool is not easy but may be worth it.
I remember during the extraction discovering that when it was time to suck out the Naphtha to transfer it into my glass dish the rubber part of the lid had got destroyed. I think the paint thinner and the high pH resulted in this. Not too sure what would happen to those other chemicals and materials though...
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Okay you used the right naphtha and have some nice fluffy crystals, so far I would say that your doing great, just set the container without the lid in a clean cupboard and let sit overnight too give any residual naphtha the chance to evaporate. If you’re still concerned with the naphtha you used do an evaporation test to see if it’s clean (use search for details).
On your method of use, this is what’s going wrong, dmt is a bit finicky to use and depending on your method takes a bit of practice. Basically there’s two routes that work (E mesh or vape, and convection, GVG) well and within those routes you can do it on the cheap or buy some expensive setup. I would understand if you first want to find out if dmt is for you before investing. Therefore you can use a small ball of copper or stainless steel mesh and put it in the bowl of your bong, slowly melt 15mg in the mesh and then while inhaling move in your lighter until you see your bong filling up with vapor. This should work for a couple of times, after that I would advise you to invest in an dedicated tool of your liking.
Good luck
Thanks for summarising it nicely, @Varallo!
@Sloxlattor - have a good read of:
This will help you to hone your technique. There's plenty more information on extraction and beyond right here at your fingertips.
Merry Yuletide, Nexians!
@Sloxlattor - have a good read of:
Merry Yuletide, Nexians!
TheFreakstar
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yo i cant lie i think i understand what goes on to extract dmt but im so lost, does anyone hav like a video tutorial on the way u do it with the freezer
Maybe try YouTube? Ow and before continuing here read this:
Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki
TheFreakstar
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didnt think about that thank yaMaybe try YouTube? Ow and before continuing here read this:
Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki
wiki.dmt-nexus.me
Sloxlattor
Esteemed member
I followed a guide I saw on YouTube. The video is no longer there but the guy who posted it made an update video. I'll share with you the link. It worked for me well enough I suppose. I'm sure that a few others here have gave it a try. If it's not the guide you want that's fine but there's a part in the video where he talks about freezing the stuff.
I also wanted to give a an update on my situation with the extraction I did to anyone curious. I tried yet again to inhale the spice into my lungs last night and my God it tastes weird. When burned or vaporized it smells like clam juice, burnt plastic and still sweet and gasoline like. Seems like the typical description. It has a very "manufactured" smell and taste to it. Much like 'mothballs' as I hear them described. It will feel smooth, milky and hot on your tongue it actually burned a bit it felt like. My body is like 'Nah that's poison' can't help but freak out a bit. I inhaled around the same amount as before and got a short "head rush" similar to a coke high and my eyes dialated it seemed and when they did so it almost felt like time slowed down a bit. It was damn weird but it didn't feel "bad" just a bit to take in at a time. It was such a small dose that yet again it didn't do much.
Still sounds like you're burning your DMT, as well as maybe underdosing. Hone your vaping technique and carefully increase the dose. If you're using cannabis as a herbal base I would also suggest you try substituting a more neutral herb (in terms of psychoactive effects) as a carrier material. Mullein is considered very suitable, but things like oregano, sage, parsley or peppermint have also been successfully employed for this purpose.
fsdgsdfgsfd
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This confirms what I was suspecting, that it was a shiny new dish. [Wouldn't I have looked super-clever if I'd have asked that beforehand
If you want the crystals to form at the bottom of a brand new dish, lightly scratching it with a hard object before use will suffice. Doesn't have to be visible, even - no gouges necessary! And if you scratch in a specific shape, this should demonstrate that it does in fact work as stated.
In summary, your hypothesis appears sound.
Would it inefficient/less yield to use brand new glassware because of less nucleation points? SWIM keeps running out of useable dishes.
Keith4sure
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Would Trip propylene Glycol mono methyl ether be a good solvent to use?It was still hidden, it's back now:
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Tripropylene glycol monomethyl ether? A good solvent for what, exactly?