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clearlymyalt
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Ah, Im sorry, I realise how silly what I did was.
The starting plant was mimosa hostilis, I used a guide from the reddit which I am currently unable to load, but it was a non heat, put everything all into the jar and leave, stir, leave, repeat 4 times then suck up, water wash, freeze, scrape repeat.
As for observations, it was very white, very fine powder, I do think I may have used a bit too much lye in the initial process, as the recipe called for 35, but I think I ended up using 100+ as the ph was not the right colour.
I warmed PH liquid, poured it onto the dmt, stirred, sucked up with a needle and put it into the vape pen, it was a 40/60 dmt pg ratio, no vg.
I warmed the finished product that was in the cartridge in a warm water bath, before use.
The vape pen is the Yocan kodo pro (very small 400mah) and initially tried at 3.6, then 3.3) both of those levels greatly irritate the throat, a burning / scratchy sensation that does not go, pain seems to be localised moreso onto the dangly bit at the back of the mouth.
My approach was suck into mouth, breathe into throat. I also tried doing a somewhat open mouth method I read could help so you get normal air in as well as the vape thing, but it was a similar pain.
PG can be quite irritating to the throat, as well as using the freebase in the vape juice.
You can try adding a little citric acid to the juice to take the pH down a bit. It's helpful to know how much DMT went into it, so you can calculate how much citric to use.
VG would also soften up the throat hit a bit, but adding that would dilute your juice unless you were to add a suitable amount of extra DMT.
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If you could be more specific about what you did during your extraction, we could give a few more pointers there too. Bear in mind, any methods you may find on reddit almost certainly had their origin on or via this forum.
I accidentally fell behind on many projects and I can't remember what I was doing here. Idk if I was doing a mini a/b, cleaning solvent or what.
There are white clusters floating at the top and then we can see all the white at the bottom. When I opened the jar it had a strong aroma of DMT.
One of my concerns is if any of this white is lye.
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There are white clusters floating at the top and then we can see all the white at the bottom. When I opened the jar it had a strong aroma of DMT.
One of my concerns is if any of this white is lye.
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clearlymyalt
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I see, I had a look through and it does seem like the closest was Mushie_Man Tek stb, though like I said ended up using quite abit more lye than was suggested. I used about .4 g of dmt and .6ml pg I think. I also threw in .1 citric acid, it's a bit more do-able but still quite the burn my throat is a virgin though so I may just be being a whiner, alsom if it matters its a 1.52 egyption sign and 0.10s settingPG can be quite irritating to the throat, as well as using the freebase in the vape juice.
You can try adding a little citric acid to the juice to take the pH down a bit. It's helpful to know how much DMT went into it, so you can calculate how much citric to use.
VG would also soften up the throat hit a bit, but adding that would dilute your juice unless you were to add a suitable amount of extra DMT.
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If you could be more specific about what you did during your extraction, we could give a few more pointers there too. Bear in mind, any methods you may find on reddit almost certainly had their origin on or via this forum.
Do you have some additional concerns?
Stuff at the top won't be lye. Stuff at the bottom might be sodium carbonate but could, equally, be DMT. Try dissolving a bit in some water with a pinch of SC added.
I'd have to be the last person to tell you to label your jars, since I'm in desperate need of following my own advice. But label your jars
Not really concerns as much as questions. For example, if all of that is DMT what made some of it float and some of it sink.Do you have some additional concerns?
Stuff at the top won't be lye. Stuff at the bottom might be sodium carbonate but could, equally, be DMT. Try dissolving a bit in some water with a pinch of SC added.
I'd have to be the last person to tell you to label your jars, since I'm in desperate need of following my own advice. But label your jars
I'd need to pull it first before trying to dissolve in water as it's still in an aqueous solution (obviously).
And that's how far behind I am, as well as indicative of me needing a better labeling system, as I made to label that jar "Deemz."
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Would you say it's more like a heat burn, or something chemical or maybe like sugar burn from too much candy/sweets?
clearlymyalt
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Gosh, honestly I wouldn't even know what a sugar burn is, I'd say it's probably a chemical kind of burn? Doesnt feel hot really besides the irritant feeling
tbh it's probably just the PG. If it really bothers you, you may have to try reformulating a juice with some VG in it. Sugar burn comes from eating to much concentrated sugary stuff at once; the sugar pulls water out of the mucosal membranes in the throat, leading to irritation. This is partly what happens with PG - it's a result of osmotic pressure.
Even though VG is also hygroscopic, it seems to be better tolerated, maybe because it's usually already loaded with water pulled out of the atmosphere, but perhaps also because it's a normal component of living organisms.
The citric acid should have taken care of any excess lye (which would have been pretty unlikely to make it through the extraction process without bringing obvious discoloration), but you've a little room for adding some more because the 3:1 molar reaction ratio with DMT gets skewed by most available citric acid being a hydrated form, meaning its equivalent mass has to be about 10% higher:
| Molar mass | 192.123 g/mol (anhydrous), 210.14 g/mol (monohydrate) |
(400/188)×(210/3) == 100×70/47
≈ 1000÷7 = 142 mg
Because of the arithmetical shortcut as well as the third carboxy group of CA being rather weak, you can comfortably round that up to 200mg. Thus, maybe adding an extra 100mg of citric to your juice will soften it up a bit more.
My poor labelling and atrocious note-taking is mostly driven by paranoia and obviously has nothing to do with being massively disorganised. I have been known to label jars with meaningless combinations of non-latin letters, just to spice things up a bit.Not really concerns as much as questions. For example, if all of that is DMT what made some of it float and some of it sink.
I'd need to pull it first before trying to dissolve in water as it's still in an aqueous solution (obviously).
And that's how far behind I am, as well as indicative of me needing a better labeling system, as I made to label that jar "Deemz."
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Oh, that changes things a bit, reading this. I thought we were looking at naphtha! In which case, those crystals might be sodium bicarbonate "or something". I'd check the pH of your solution first of all.
How much more lye did you add out of curiosity?hey guys - guess what!? Yesterday evening I prepared another pull with naphta from one of my solution jars. First added some more lye, then evaporated the naphta over night. I just got up and had a look at - happy happy joy joy - nice white crystals are forming in my evaporation dish
redbird
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I wouldn't expect a reply from them.
That post is almost 20 years old
In situations like that, the precise amount is not particularly important. Just bear in mind, it's far easier to add more than to take it back out.
Pepperwood
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Hello Nexians,
Kinda new here, hope im posting in an appropriate place. Im looking to extract jungle spice, I have been reading the resources I can find, Entropymancers paper and the wiki have been very helpful, but i have some questions, and am a little overwhelmed at the 64 pages of results a search for jungle spice gives on the forum.
I was planning to use xylene to pull after using naptha for 2-3 pulls doing cybs tek (this is the only tek ive tried so far). Am I correct in assuming that the xylene should be heated before adding to the basic solution? Also, should the basic solution be kept warm for the xylene pulls? I was also wondering if 50 ml of xylene per pull for 50 g of mhrb is appropriate?
Sorry if this is really basic stuff, but i botched this once and wanna double check some of these variables before trying again.
Thanks for your time and knowledge nexians!
Kinda new here, hope im posting in an appropriate place. Im looking to extract jungle spice, I have been reading the resources I can find, Entropymancers paper and the wiki have been very helpful, but i have some questions, and am a little overwhelmed at the 64 pages of results a search for jungle spice gives on the forum.
I was planning to use xylene to pull after using naptha for 2-3 pulls doing cybs tek (this is the only tek ive tried so far). Am I correct in assuming that the xylene should be heated before adding to the basic solution? Also, should the basic solution be kept warm for the xylene pulls? I was also wondering if 50 ml of xylene per pull for 50 g of mhrb is appropriate?
Sorry if this is really basic stuff, but i botched this once and wanna double check some of these variables before trying again.
Thanks for your time and knowledge nexians!
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While the picture still has the issue of being focussed on the background rather than the subject, I can't say if that's an emulsion. Was the naphtha completely clear when it went into the freezer? If so, you're looking at product, albeit of small crystal size due to excessively rapid cooling. Try looking at it with a magnifying glass. If you can see small crystals you may be on the right track.
There's a lot of ice forming on your dish. Was it kept tightly closed while it was in the freezer? If not, there may be some ice crstals in among the milky precipitate.
Your easiest option would be to seal up your container and put it back in the freezer for a couple of days. Gentle temperature cycling, as occurs with the normal operation of the thermostat, will eventually lead to favouring the growth of larger crystals.
stronjes
Rising Star
Ok I've had moderate success with STB using MHRB. I'm just wondering if any NPS will work (maybe even better) than Naphtha? I've read there is Tek that utilizes Heptane or hexane? Are these better and do you need to do Acid/Base tek rather than STB when using Heptane/Hexane?
Also wouldn't the DMT be best made using Petroleum or Diethyl Ether?
What originally started my inquiry was I ran out of Naphtha but not LYE or MHRB. What can I use to get the DMT outt the sludge? Will Zippo fluid work in place of Naphtha?
Also wouldn't the DMT be best made using Petroleum or Diethyl Ether?
What originally started my inquiry was I ran out of Naphtha but not LYE or MHRB. What can I use to get the DMT outt the sludge? Will Zippo fluid work in place of Naphtha?
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TransistorBass
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Yes, Zippo Lighter fluid will do.
You can re-use your Naphtha too after Freezing to Crystallise, filter it off through a Permanent Coffee filter to catch the crystals.
You can re-use your Naphtha too after Freezing to Crystallise, filter it off through a Permanent Coffee filter to catch the crystals.
DK_one
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Just found this thread, was on collecting questions but didn't finish yet.
Hope english is good enough.
During the reduction of the naphtho, small whitish spots formed on the sides; these later reverted to the same formation as before!
My biggest questions for now.
Unfortunately, I've reached a point where I have certain questions, and research is no longer very helpful.
Most of the questions are ones where I either haven't found an answer, no explanations or further details, or there were too many conflicting statements.
Sadly, I never had chemistry because a narcissistic teacher thought it was cool to let us copy his doctoral thesis instead of trying to do his job!
I) Amount ratios - regarding plant alkaloids and solvent - H2O
II) How advantageous is it, if at all, to use as little as possible to allow enough space for the alkaloids?
II) If the aforementioned naphtho allows more space for DMT, what happens to the DMT in the naphtho when it cools?
I.iii) Is it the case that if the capacity decreases due to cooling or evaporation (H2O), supersaturation occurs, but the solution is essentially stable, i.e., the alkaloids are trapped? Or can such a situation only exist temporarily, i.e., be unstable?
Hope english is good enough.
During the reduction of the naphtho, small whitish spots formed on the sides; these later reverted to the same formation as before!
My biggest questions for now.
Unfortunately, I've reached a point where I have certain questions, and research is no longer very helpful.
Most of the questions are ones where I either haven't found an answer, no explanations or further details, or there were too many conflicting statements.
Sadly, I never had chemistry because a narcissistic teacher thought it was cool to let us copy his doctoral thesis instead of trying to do his job!
I) Amount ratios - regarding plant alkaloids and solvent - H2O
II) How advantageous is it, if at all, to use as little as possible to allow enough space for the alkaloids?
II) If the aforementioned naphtho allows more space for DMT, what happens to the DMT in the naphtho when it cools?
I.iii) Is it the case that if the capacity decreases due to cooling or evaporation (H2O), supersaturation occurs, but the solution is essentially stable, i.e., the alkaloids are trapped? Or can such a situation only exist temporarily, i.e., be unstable?