official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[Noman]

does the naphtha absorb the spice when it isn't hot?



thanks

Yes, it just absorbs more spice when it's hot. It also becomes much less selective and absorbs a lot of other shit too. A lot of people compromise by pulling with room temp a few times and then doing the last extraction hot. But not too hot.

 

[extrememetal43]

just a ? pertaining to the above, would it be best to do acidified defats with hot naptha instead of room temp?

 

[Noman]

Yeah probably.
My friend doesn't work with a lot of procedures needing a defat, so he hasn't really looked much into it.

 

[acolon_5]

just a ? pertaining to the above, would it be best to do acidified defats with hot naptha instead of room temp?

Yes, this will pull the most oil. Toulene or Xylene works best for defats, but hot naphtha/acid solution does the trick. 2 large naphtha defats will eliminate almost if not all oils from your final product.

 

[shoe]

Question guys:
I bought something like 1.5Kg of pre-powdered mimosa hostillis root bark a while back,
and have been pulling dmt out of it then evaporating a little, and freeze-percipitating at the last.

I was wondering:
now that I am no longer getting ANY or hardly any (certainly not the big phat crack rocks I used to
get) from my pulls, am I doing something wrong?

my method hasn't changed at all,

or have I merely had all of my (theoretical) 9g ?

I think I can actually account for about 4g straight up, smoked.

but it was two HUGE crockpots full of DMT sludge...


or have I perhaps just left it too long and its all been broken down by the caustic soda?


thanks.

shoe

 

[D_Juggz]

hello, just need a bit of clarification on the LEX TEK before SWIM tries another extraction.

Part 2: Acid Cook
ok so it brought to pH 4 with the plant matter then cooked for an hour but in step 2 at the end it says:
"Once complete, pour off and save the liquid. Perform this step a further two times." - do they mean pour off the liquid, then use the same bark to cook it for another hour, then again pour off and cook for another hour...you'd end up with a LOT of liquid that way...whats ur opinions on this, do you need to do it 3 times, does it make a big difference on yield?

Part 4: Initial Shellite Extraction.

so to the pH 14 liquid u add the solvent, wait (for how long?) for the solution to separate, siphon off non-polar layer (top).
but in step 4 it says " Repeat steps 2 and 3 another two times and combine the Shellite pulls. For the third pull use 500mL of Shellite. (do you use new solvent every time? thats 2L of shillte, right, also, how hot would you recommend you make the solvent and solution for the pull? last time SWIM did it at room temp and it didn't work that well.)

Part 5: Defat/Acid Wash

how many times do you recommend doing the defat, last time SWIM did it once or twice and ended up with a bit of oily substance among the xstals at the end.

Part 7: Final Shellite Extraction.
again, how long would you wait for the layers to separate and am i right in saying you would rather leave a bit of solvent than to accidentally siphon off a few specks of the sodium hydroxide layer?

Part 8: Freeze precipitation
How long would u leave it in the freezer untouched, is it best to pour off the top shellite or just let it all evaoprate on its own time?



Thanks so much

 

[adrian89987]

Part 2: Yes that is what is meant, what most people choose to do is to reduce the volume down a bit through evaporation. Depending on how long your acid cooks last for it very well could make a difference in yield if you don't do enough acid washes..then some DMT could be left in the bark. Though that's not to say you won't get it all with 2 cooks, but personally I like to be sure to get everything.

Part 4: Yes use new solvent everytime. Whenever I heat up my solvent for this part I just boil some water in a giant pot and then place my container in the hot water after turning off the stove. IF YOU USE GLASS CONTAINER BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IT IS VERY EASY TO BREAK WITH SUDDEN TEMP CHANGES.anyway.... I let it sit in the hot water bath for a bit till it gets nice and hot and then turn the container end over end mixing it up.

Part 5: If you end up with oily product still then try a couple more defats next time, just try and find what works for you.

Part 7: Allow it to separate until there is a clear separation and no emulsion left. since you will be doing multiple solvent pulls you might as well leave a small layer of solvent instead of getting any of the lye layer.

Part 8: Evaporate the final solvent collection down a fair amount so that the DMT concentration is greater and then place in a very cold freezer, usually for around a day will do it. At first the solution will get very cloudy and then you will see the crystals forming on the bottom and the cloudiness will go away as the dmt falls out of suspension.

 

[Noman]

Whenever I heat up my solvent for this part I just boil some water in a giant pot and then place my container in the hot water after turning off the stove. IF YOU USE GLASS CONTAINER BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IT IS VERY EASY TO BREAK WITH SUDDEN TEMP CHANGES.

Put your container in the water while it's heating up and there's way less chance of breaking it. Just put a towel or something in the bottom so that the container isn't in contact with the pot. And leave the lid ajar so that pressure doesn't build up.

 

[D_Juggz]

Thanks so much guys, it would have taken years to figure out this stuff on SWIMs own.

also,
Part 8: once the crystals are formed after 24 hours, is it ok to decant most of the solvent off the top or is it best to just let it all evaporate on its own time? also, should u put it in a hot water bath to speed up evaporation or will that dissolve the crystals again?

 

[adrian89987]

I pour it all off, you can save it for further extractions or evaporate it off in a separate dish to get all of the D out of it. Then, since the container with the formed crystals is still cold you need to make sure to close it again right after pouring out the solvent that way condensation won't form on the inside. Once the container is warmed to room temperature open and let the remaining naphtha evaporate off until all you can smell is the D.

If you put it in a hot water bath that will melt the crystals.

 

[smokeydaze]

Is a day enough time to leave in freezer..? I would of thought the longer the better.

 

[D_Juggz]

I would imagine the longer u leave it in the freezer, the bigger/more the crystals. less substance left over in the solvent?

 

[adrian89987]

Yea, the longer you leave in the freezer the better. I usually just freeze it for 24 hours though...There's not THAT much D left in the solvent after that and it's not like I'm tossing out the solvent anyway.

 

[smokeydaze]

Yea, the longer you leave in the freezer the better. I usually just freeze it for 24 hours though...There's not THAT much D left in the solvent after that and it's not like I'm tossing out the solvent anyway.

do you leave it to evaporate afterwards?

 

[adrian89987]

I usually reuse it and then when I'm done reusing I then evaporate yes.

 

[D_Juggz]

Can any of you guys let me in on a good way to separate the layers? I've heard the turkey baster, ziplock bags, siphon with a hose, upside down bottle with a cork-tip thingy...any ideas on a good home-made separation funnel or something?

 

[Damstig]

...any ideas on a good home-made separation funnel or something?

You can find glass separatory funnel's on eBay and other online vendors for $30-$40. I can't imagine it's not worth investing into this simple piece of equipment. You've listed the alternatives...

 

[69ron]

...any ideas on a good home-made separation funnel or something?

You can find glass separatory funnel's on eBay and other online vendors for $30-$40. I can't imagine it's not worth investing into this simple piece of equipment. You've listed the alternatives...

In Texas it is illegal for an individual to purchase or own lab glass such as that. So those unfortunate DMT making Texans need to make their own equipment or buy it illegally out of state or overseas.

How do these silly laws get passed anyway?

Did you know in Texas, even a lab flask is illegal because it can be used to make meth! How completely ridiculous! People can easily use many other types of containers as a flask! What complete idiots! That is unbelievable! You can substitute most lab glass with stainless steel containers, so WHAT THE? Are these legislators high on something? Do the Texas legislators actually think this is going to have any impact at all on meth manufacture? My god, those guys are idiots. You can put together an entire lab of stainless steel equipment. In fact most large manufactures use stainless steel because its more durable than lab glass. They only use glass or other materials in those rare cases where stainless steel won’t do.

What next? Is Texas going to outlaw stainless steel? What nonsense. I thought Texas was a place that stood for old fashioned American freedom from government intrusion. What the hell is happening to the US? Soon it’s going to be that everything there is illegal. That is so sad to see a once great country founded on freedom turn into a place where your kids can’t even study the science of chemistry at home without being labeled a meth dealer and arrested because they bought a flask for their science project! That is so ridiculous!

 

[amor_fati]

Wide-bottom Chianti bottles. Pull the NPS layer from the bottle neck.

 

[Ambient]

Hello everyone. I tried my first extraction a few days ago using Marsofold's Tek, except I used 2 ounces instead of one pound. The problem I have, and I'm not sure if its even a problem, is with the step after adding the base and naptha. From what I understand it is supposed to separate into 2 layers, but mine separated into 3. The bottom layer was a dark black/brown color, the middle was a fatty brown liquid, and a very thin layer on top was clear naptha. I don't know if that fatty layer is supposed to be there. Should I just pull the naptha and freeze? I used one part vinegar to three parts water for the acid and when adding the base it was probably somewhere from a pH of 10-12. Thanks