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endlessness said:
Thanks a whole bunch! I understand everything perfectly now. However, how much naphtha is required to redissolve the crystals during the sodium carbonate wash? Also do you think using distilled water through the whole extraction process would increase the purity of the end product?
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I noticed no difference at all using distilled and tap water, and used tap water from several different places, always worked perfect.
It could maybe make a difference if for some reason your local tap water is specially hard (full of dissolved minerals and chemicals) which could make other things a bit less soluble in it (I remember someone once posting trying to do a sodium carb wash but nearly no sodium carb would dissolve in their tap water), but I would say its more likely that your tap water will be just fine.
As for amount of naphtha to redissolve, well, just enough for it to dissolve all the dmt, which might be around 30-50ml warm naphtha per gram of dmt
It could maybe make a difference if for some reason your local tap water is specially hard (full of dissolved minerals and chemicals) which could make other things a bit less soluble in it (I remember someone once posting trying to do a sodium carb wash but nearly no sodium carb would dissolve in their tap water), but I would say its more likely that your tap water will be just fine.
As for amount of naphtha to redissolve, well, just enough for it to dissolve all the dmt, which might be around 30-50ml warm naphtha per gram of dmt
I just thought of a horrible possibility and I need any answers anyone can give asap.
I'm doing to poor man's tek, and am in the stage of evapping the basified water which was steeped (when it was acid) in the DMT-containing oil from earlier step. What is worrying me is that there are loads of droplets of oil in this basified water and that the DMT may be going back into the oil which I was going to get rid of once water dried.
Also, if the above is not the case, how would you recommend cleaning off the oil?
I'm doing to poor man's tek, and am in the stage of evapping the basified water which was steeped (when it was acid) in the DMT-containing oil from earlier step. What is worrying me is that there are loads of droplets of oil in this basified water and that the DMT may be going back into the oil which I was going to get rid of once water dried.
Also, if the above is not the case, how would you recommend cleaning off the oil?
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I think you got it wrong. You do not evaporate the basified water, you evaporate the solvent.. The dmt should be in the solvent
Lohes is using MHRB, and the Lazyman's tek, but is considering freeze precipitating instead of evaporating
This is how Lohes is planning on extracting DMT, using the layman's tek, pouting this to see if anything is wrong/dangerous/could be improved ect.
What kind of gloves exactly should he be wearing? What kind of mask? Is there specific goggles for this procedure?
-Place 1 pound of whole MHRB into a large bowl, add 2.5L of water, and 200g of Lye to the mixture
-Wait 1 hour to let the Lye break down the root bark (Does Lohes need to keep the bowl airtight because of evaporation/fumes? He will be wearing a mask, but the less fumes the better off the world is)
-Stir and mash (Does it really matter how hard I stir it?) for 20-30 minutes, add ~275ml of Naphtha (Is there any other Canadian substitutes, or a website Lohes can get ~4L for cheap?) Stir and mash for another 20-30 minutes
-Let sit for 2 and a half hours for the solvent to absorb/contain the DMT
-Separate the solvent from the lye solution and place it (solvent) in a (clamped) mason jar in the coldest possible freezer, after X amount of time, or when it looks Y (I have no idea what X or Y are)
-Pour out the solvent after X or Y into another mason jar and place that in the freezer again to get more crystals
-Pour more solvent into the MHRB/lye/water solution after mashing it for 20-30 minutes, mash/stir for 20-30 more, let it sit for 7 hours, pull form the lye/MHRB/water mixture, freeze percip again
-Repeat again but let the solvent sit for 38.5 hours, to get all of that lovely DMT
Lohes is also considering just evaporation the solvent, would he get worse results? Is a sodium carbonate wash necessary in my situation? Should he be worried about DMT N-Oxide? Is there a substitute for Lye? He says he's also concerned about the film that he's reading about, forming on crystals, what does he do if that happens?
EDIT: or is it even worth doing the lazyman's tek? I've heard while in the chat that there is lots of problems that usually arise, Im looking into other teks, but I'd like to start simple
Re-EDIT: I'm going to do norman's tek instead
This is how Lohes is planning on extracting DMT, using the layman's tek, pouting this to see if anything is wrong/dangerous/could be improved ect.
What kind of gloves exactly should he be wearing? What kind of mask? Is there specific goggles for this procedure?
-Place 1 pound of whole MHRB into a large bowl, add 2.5L of water, and 200g of Lye to the mixture
-Wait 1 hour to let the Lye break down the root bark (Does Lohes need to keep the bowl airtight because of evaporation/fumes? He will be wearing a mask, but the less fumes the better off the world is)
-Stir and mash (Does it really matter how hard I stir it?) for 20-30 minutes, add ~275ml of Naphtha (Is there any other Canadian substitutes, or a website Lohes can get ~4L for cheap?) Stir and mash for another 20-30 minutes
-Let sit for 2 and a half hours for the solvent to absorb/contain the DMT
-Separate the solvent from the lye solution and place it (solvent) in a (clamped) mason jar in the coldest possible freezer, after X amount of time, or when it looks Y (I have no idea what X or Y are)
-Pour out the solvent after X or Y into another mason jar and place that in the freezer again to get more crystals
-Pour more solvent into the MHRB/lye/water solution after mashing it for 20-30 minutes, mash/stir for 20-30 more, let it sit for 7 hours, pull form the lye/MHRB/water mixture, freeze percip again
-Repeat again but let the solvent sit for 38.5 hours, to get all of that lovely DMT
Lohes is also considering just evaporation the solvent, would he get worse results? Is a sodium carbonate wash necessary in my situation? Should he be worried about DMT N-Oxide? Is there a substitute for Lye? He says he's also concerned about the film that he's reading about, forming on crystals, what does he do if that happens?
EDIT: or is it even worth doing the lazyman's tek? I've heard while in the chat that there is lots of problems that usually arise, Im looking into other teks, but I'd like to start simple
Re-EDIT: I'm going to do norman's tek instead
Hey guys, I'm sorry to post another story of similar failure to others, but SWIM has been attempting to run Lazyman's STB in the following manner, and, after SEVERAL tries with the original 1 lb, he was unsuccessful at acquiring any crystals other than a small amount (<1g) during the first try.
He starts with 450g MHRB, 2 L distilled water, and around 220g KOH (until the pH is around 13-13.5), stirs thoroughly until the mixture is well-mixed.
Next, he uses ~400g naphtha (Ace VM&P) while mixing (sloshing so as not to emulsify) over a heat bath of boiling water. He mixes this for some 10-20 minutes.
After this, (for the first pull) he uses a baster to carefully collect the naphtha.
IT HAS BEEN DARK BROWN (never light yellow/clear/etc) NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TIME, he tells me.
So next he washes the naphtha with 10% volume distilled water with one pinch of pH up (sodium carbonate), mixes thoroughly via baster, then places into hot (boiling-ish) heat bath of water. After the separation stage, he is often left with some large amount of emulsion (roughly = naphtha content) and lesser amount of water, which he separates by decanting out the naphtha and emulsion.
He water washes (same process without Na2CO3, just 10% water) twice afterward, and leaves out emulsion after the last wash. Then he puts this naphtha into the freezer. The next day, no crystals form, there is often a very small frozen chunk (presumably of water), and there appears to be some cloudiness, but no crystallization (even after filtration, which yields nothing). (Repeat for subsequent pulls.)
Essentially, he is very disappointed and decided to try smaller quantities (~50g MHRB to begin).
Can you guys think of anything wrong with his process? It's his first time making DMT.
Thanks a lot!
He starts with 450g MHRB, 2 L distilled water, and around 220g KOH (until the pH is around 13-13.5), stirs thoroughly until the mixture is well-mixed.
Next, he uses ~400g naphtha (Ace VM&P) while mixing (sloshing so as not to emulsify) over a heat bath of boiling water. He mixes this for some 10-20 minutes.
After this, (for the first pull) he uses a baster to carefully collect the naphtha.
IT HAS BEEN DARK BROWN (never light yellow/clear/etc) NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TIME, he tells me.
So next he washes the naphtha with 10% volume distilled water with one pinch of pH up (sodium carbonate), mixes thoroughly via baster, then places into hot (boiling-ish) heat bath of water. After the separation stage, he is often left with some large amount of emulsion (roughly = naphtha content) and lesser amount of water, which he separates by decanting out the naphtha and emulsion.
He water washes (same process without Na2CO3, just 10% water) twice afterward, and leaves out emulsion after the last wash. Then he puts this naphtha into the freezer. The next day, no crystals form, there is often a very small frozen chunk (presumably of water), and there appears to be some cloudiness, but no crystallization (even after filtration, which yields nothing). (Repeat for subsequent pulls.)
Essentially, he is very disappointed and decided to try smaller quantities (~50g MHRB to begin).
Can you guys think of anything wrong with his process? It's his first time making DMT.
Thanks a lot!
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Did you check the FAQ? I think your pulls are way too huge, use 100-150ml instead and you'll probably have it crystallizing nicely straight away. So your big pulls should be evaporated down to a small amount and put in the freezer again. I hope you didnt throw anything away, because dmt doesnt dissapear, if your bark was good in the first place its gonna work, be patient 
Also one sodium carb wash is enough, if you want to do a second its cool but I dont recommend doing pure water wash, because there is more chance of losing dmt, better only wash with basic water.
Also one sodium carb wash is enough, if you want to do a second its cool but I dont recommend doing pure water wash, because there is more chance of losing dmt, better only wash with basic water.
ohlinfaust
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so im having some difficulty with my first extraction
WHat is this orange crystaly solution? I am trying to extract DMT from mimosa hostilis i have basified the solutioon and it turned a blue/grey color and a whole lot of crystals, as the solution has calmed, it has formed into 3 layers, emulusion/ether, blue/grey crystaly solution and underneath is orange solution with white crystals, what is it?
WHat is this orange crystaly solution? I am trying to extract DMT from mimosa hostilis i have basified the solutioon and it turned a blue/grey color and a whole lot of crystals, as the solution has calmed, it has formed into 3 layers, emulusion/ether, blue/grey crystaly solution and underneath is orange solution with white crystals, what is it?
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Not quite sure what you're describing, but if it turned blue/grey, you need to add more NaOH. It should be a slick black color.
PrimalWisdom
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Hi Nexians.
First off I am sorry about the wall of text. (Mods if this is excessive please feel free to move to a new thread or delete as you see fit)
I didn't want to start a new thread as once I have received answers I doubt the thread would garner many more replies. Basically the day I start my 1st extraction draws near, and I would like to clarify a few things and get some advice and answers that I cannot find easily after about a week of searching.
I am going to do the following tek, which is my take on a combination of 3 different teks - its a STB tek in essence. and all 3 teks differ only slightly, but I am still unsure of a few things.
Materials
750 ml filered tap water
100 grams of shreeded inner MHRB - frozen and thawed twice with pulverisation in a plastic bag done in between freezes
100 grams Lye (casutic soda in my country)
Naptha (Zippo fluid) - I am thinking 70-100mls per pull - 3 pulls in total
1000 ml Glass mason Jar
60 ml syringe
Vinegar (for soaking and in case of lye spills)
Method
After freezing and thawing the shredded bark twice I have powdered it using a coffee grinder, I then put it in a bowl of vinegar and let sit for 2 days.
1. Mix 100 grams of lye with 750 ml of water, shake and wait for reactions to cease.
2. Slowly add 100 grams of powdered MHRB to the basified solution, shake vigourously for around 2 mins, then set aside for 2.5 hrs
3. Heat 100 ml's of Naptha in a heat bath.
4. Slowly add the naptha to the Lye solution & MHRB, Swirl carefully as not to cause any emulsions. (if they do occur I could add more lye) Then set aside for 2.5 hrs.
5. Syphen off the layer of naptha and transfer to a large, flat, square, pyrex baking dish.
6. Evaporate 1/2 the naptha and then move the dish to the fridge for 8hrs, and eventually to the freezer for an additonal 8 hours (overnight)
7. Pour off remaining naptha, turn dish updside down and leave for 30 minutes.
8. Place dish in fron of fan at low setting to help dry crystals.
9. Scrape crystals and smile.
10. Repeat steps 4 through 9 twice more, leaving the last pull overnight (8-12hrs)
I am not doing a clean or re-crystallisation as I have read that this STB method produces fairly clean spice.
My questions are:
- Does this seem like a decent tek? I am not overly confident about the acid soak as there isn't much info about it. (I know the DMT handbook talks of this, but very briefly)
- Do I need to add the powdered MHRB to water before I add it tothe solution? I have heard about red naptha been pulled when powder was used.
- As I am acidifying the MHRB will I need a greater ratio of Lye to get a ph of 13? the ratio I am using is 1:1. Logicaly I would assume so. (I do not have litmus paper and am battling to find locally)
- Will Zippo fluid work?
This is the data from Zippo fuid's Safety data sheet:
Ingredient: VM & P NAPHTHA; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES) 19%
Ingredient: TOLUENE (SARA III) <7%
Ingredient: CYCLOHEXANE (SARA III)
.5%
Ingredient: VM & P NAPHTHA; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES) 81%
Ingredient: XYLENE (SARA III) <8%
Ingredient: BENZENE, ETHYL-; (ETHYL BENZENE) 2%
Thats more than 100% so I am not sure how they compiled the data to be very honest.
I just don't want to mess up the extraction or injure myself. (I cannot get 100% pure naptha anywhere - seems my country sucks alot more than I originally thought)
Please guys, just looking for advice and guidance, I am feeling quite nervous about this as it has cost me quite a bit to procure all the materials - I do have more MHRB in case, but would rather not have to waste any obviously.
I might think of more question later, but for now thats it.
Thanks in advance.
Peace love and everlasting light
PrimalWisdom
First off I am sorry about the wall of text. (Mods if this is excessive please feel free to move to a new thread or delete as you see fit)
I didn't want to start a new thread as once I have received answers I doubt the thread would garner many more replies. Basically the day I start my 1st extraction draws near, and I would like to clarify a few things and get some advice and answers that I cannot find easily after about a week of searching.
I am going to do the following tek, which is my take on a combination of 3 different teks - its a STB tek in essence. and all 3 teks differ only slightly, but I am still unsure of a few things.
Materials
750 ml filered tap water
100 grams of shreeded inner MHRB - frozen and thawed twice with pulverisation in a plastic bag done in between freezes
100 grams Lye (casutic soda in my country)
Naptha (Zippo fluid) - I am thinking 70-100mls per pull - 3 pulls in total
1000 ml Glass mason Jar
60 ml syringe
Vinegar (for soaking and in case of lye spills)
Method
After freezing and thawing the shredded bark twice I have powdered it using a coffee grinder, I then put it in a bowl of vinegar and let sit for 2 days.
1. Mix 100 grams of lye with 750 ml of water, shake and wait for reactions to cease.
2. Slowly add 100 grams of powdered MHRB to the basified solution, shake vigourously for around 2 mins, then set aside for 2.5 hrs
3. Heat 100 ml's of Naptha in a heat bath.
4. Slowly add the naptha to the Lye solution & MHRB, Swirl carefully as not to cause any emulsions. (if they do occur I could add more lye) Then set aside for 2.5 hrs.
5. Syphen off the layer of naptha and transfer to a large, flat, square, pyrex baking dish.
6. Evaporate 1/2 the naptha and then move the dish to the fridge for 8hrs, and eventually to the freezer for an additonal 8 hours (overnight)
7. Pour off remaining naptha, turn dish updside down and leave for 30 minutes.
8. Place dish in fron of fan at low setting to help dry crystals.
9. Scrape crystals and smile.
10. Repeat steps 4 through 9 twice more, leaving the last pull overnight (8-12hrs)
I am not doing a clean or re-crystallisation as I have read that this STB method produces fairly clean spice.
My questions are:
- Does this seem like a decent tek? I am not overly confident about the acid soak as there isn't much info about it. (I know the DMT handbook talks of this, but very briefly)
- Do I need to add the powdered MHRB to water before I add it tothe solution? I have heard about red naptha been pulled when powder was used.
- As I am acidifying the MHRB will I need a greater ratio of Lye to get a ph of 13? the ratio I am using is 1:1. Logicaly I would assume so. (I do not have litmus paper and am battling to find locally)
- Will Zippo fluid work?
This is the data from Zippo fuid's Safety data sheet:
Ingredient: VM & P NAPHTHA; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES) 19%
Ingredient: TOLUENE (SARA III) <7%
Ingredient: CYCLOHEXANE (SARA III)
.5%Ingredient: VM & P NAPHTHA; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES) 81%
Ingredient: XYLENE (SARA III) <8%
Ingredient: BENZENE, ETHYL-; (ETHYL BENZENE) 2%
Thats more than 100% so I am not sure how they compiled the data to be very honest.
I just don't want to mess up the extraction or injure myself. (I cannot get 100% pure naptha anywhere - seems my country sucks alot more than I originally thought)
Please guys, just looking for advice and guidance, I am feeling quite nervous about this as it has cost me quite a bit to procure all the materials - I do have more MHRB in case, but would rather not have to waste any obviously.
I might think of more question later, but for now thats it.
Thanks in advance.
Peace love and everlasting light
PrimalWisdom
I'd do more than 3 washes and with a bit more solvent, very hot would be better. Also, I usually keep solvent in the fridge a bit longer, 'til I see all crystals down, but I'm a very slow extraction guy =D
To be sure about the zippo lighter fluid purity, put some of it on a glass and wait for it to evaporate. If it leaves any residues, then don't use it. In my country it's leaving nothing bihind, pretty safe and working.
I've got a question too
I'm pretty sure there was a topic about this, but how can we chemically inactivate the MHRB - NaOH solution, when MHRB is exhaust? To just trow it in the bath is a heartpain, too toxic.
I thought about two things: making soap from it (I do soaps, and you use a similar ph solution of just water - NaOH... a mimosa soap would be so nice =D), but you need so little NaOH solution for soaps that you'd need to do 3 kgs of soap for neutrilize a little extraction.
Adding some acid, thought about citric acid, would create salts, but I'm not sure that would be non-toxic.
Ideas, link for topic, anything?
Thanks guys, as usual =)
To be sure about the zippo lighter fluid purity, put some of it on a glass and wait for it to evaporate. If it leaves any residues, then don't use it. In my country it's leaving nothing bihind, pretty safe and working.
I've got a question too
I'm pretty sure there was a topic about this, but how can we chemically inactivate the MHRB - NaOH solution, when MHRB is exhaust? To just trow it in the bath is a heartpain, too toxic.
I thought about two things: making soap from it (I do soaps, and you use a similar ph solution of just water - NaOH... a mimosa soap would be so nice =D), but you need so little NaOH solution for soaps that you'd need to do 3 kgs of soap for neutrilize a little extraction.
Adding some acid, thought about citric acid, would create salts, but I'm not sure that would be non-toxic.
Ideas, link for topic, anything?
Thanks guys, as usual =)
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I wouldnt use more solvent because then you can put it in the freeze straight away without pre-evap, but yeah def do more than 3 pulls.. Keep pulling while there are more crystals crashing.
As for solvents, that zippo wont work for freezing because of 8% xylene.. Either evap (and it will probably not be nice crystals but more gooey, because xylene pulls fats too), or find a new solvent. BTW are these people maths-illiterate? Add up those percentages and its way over 100% lol
As for how you describe your ways of doing pulls, I suggest doing more cycles of stirring/letting stand before pulling out, and no need to leave it standing for 2.5 hours before pulling. As soon as its separated (which should be just a few minutes if its basified enough and you didnt shake) you can pull, but as I said better mix a few times each pull.
If you have red naphtha check the FAQ, it explains how to solve it. It doesnt have to do with order of adding mimosa. You can add the mimosa first and lye after as this helps seeing when its black (which is when its enough lye, but better add a bit more at least, to prevent emulsions)
I suggest turning the freeze precip container upside down and closed in the freezer, after you pour the naphtha out. Otherwise they might melt as it gets warmer.
Good luck
As for solvents, that zippo wont work for freezing because of 8% xylene.. Either evap (and it will probably not be nice crystals but more gooey, because xylene pulls fats too), or find a new solvent. BTW are these people maths-illiterate? Add up those percentages and its way over 100% lol
As for how you describe your ways of doing pulls, I suggest doing more cycles of stirring/letting stand before pulling out, and no need to leave it standing for 2.5 hours before pulling. As soon as its separated (which should be just a few minutes if its basified enough and you didnt shake) you can pull, but as I said better mix a few times each pull.
If you have red naphtha check the FAQ, it explains how to solve it. It doesnt have to do with order of adding mimosa. You can add the mimosa first and lye after as this helps seeing when its black (which is when its enough lye, but better add a bit more at least, to prevent emulsions)
I suggest turning the freeze precip container upside down and closed in the freezer, after you pour the naphtha out. Otherwise they might melt as it gets warmer.
Good luck
PrimalWisdom
Everything the light touches
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Thanks alot. I am sure its going to be easier once I actually get started. I'm just a bit of an anxious person so I run things through in my head a million times and pick them apart, which causes me to distrust myself.
but yeah I think all questions are answered and I'm good to go. WEEEEEHAAAA!!!
but yeah I think all questions are answered and I'm good to go. WEEEEEHAAAA!!!
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good catch rapacc, benzene should be carcinogenic, be careful primal, better get something cleaner.
PrimalWisdom
Everything the light touches
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rapacc said:
Thanks for picking that up. Going to go to a few chem supply stores later today and find a suitable replacement.
Cheers
PW
PrimalWisdom, it looks like you're not going to be removing any lye that gets in, an easy way to remove any lye left over is to do a sodium carbonate wash, steps can be found here Vovin's tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki . Either before you evap some of the naphtha, or after, I'm not an expert at this but make sure you do it somewhere. If you google "sodium BIcarbonate (yes, baking soda) to sodium carbonate" you'll find very simple recipes, put it in the oven and heat to 170F, or something like that
Make sure you measure/know how much naptha you should be using, too little is better than too much because you can always do more pulls
Good luck
Make sure you measure/know how much naptha you should be using, too little is better than too much because you can always do more pulls
Good luck
