official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[Eranik]

I've prepared about 8 liters of rue tea, didn't add salt at all, want to evaporate all of the tea this time for some fun.

But:
Can't wait for all that big volume of water to evaporate by itself. I've put it on the stove and lightly heating it (not even simmering) to help evaporating faster. but it will take about 20 hours to finish I guess, does the harmalas get destroyed by that heat and duration? (vinegar was added)

 

[ragabr]

You can bring it to a rolling boil and the harmalas will be fine as long as they're still in water.

 

[burtonridr152]

So SWIM is trying their hand at a STB extraction on MHRB. Been following nomans tek pretty closely. SWIM is a chemistry major so WWIM kinda knows how to follow procedure correctly but unfortunately has run into some problems.

Everything is gravy until Freeze Precip. SWIM gets a fairly large pull of naphtha from two 1 gallon (200g MHRB) bottles. SWIM then evaps these pulls down until they are cloudy when blown on. Then throw em in the freezer for over 18 hours.

PROBLEM IS: yield sucks. maybe 200 mg of fluffy/WAXY white crystals on the jars. Nothing like the insane amounts seen on the nexus. So should SWIM keep doing this until exhausted and recrystallize or should SWIM go at something else...i.e. heat baths??

 

[gammagore]

burtonridr152, you say that you get a "fairly large pull" from the 200g bottles, did you only do 1 pull per bottle? also how much naptha was used? you should be doing small pulls, say .4ml/gram bark.

Either way you want to keep pulling till no more spice comes out. Heat baths(both naptha and mimosa soup) will help in the later pulls, but they might pull more fats/oils too.

Other than that, all I can say is, crap bark?

PS- you say "maybe 200mg", have you weighed it with a scale, if not how sure are you that its about 200mg? DMT density can vary quite alot.

 

[burtonridr152]

gamma, i've probably done three pulls from each bottle. No more than 120 ml of naptha used. actually i just got a glass syringe so i can get every last drop out.

haven't weighed it with a scale. gonna try that tonight. also, is it typical for it to be waxy?? should i recrystallize?

i hope the bark isnt crappy, got it from ascension bot.

 

[endlessness]

yeah waxy is normal.. I suggest redissolving in alcohol/acetone and re-evapping to getting rid of solvent traces.

do weigh with scale and post back. I have no idea about ascension bot. I usually recommend any resellers from adenium because they are sure-quality bark. Check our suppliers section.

Maybe evap naphtha further down and freeze again? Also another thing you can do is do another pull (warm, and make many mix/let stand cycles before pulling), pre evap and freeze it. Just one pull, freezing it separately. If you get anything to crash out, keep doing more pulls..

Good luck!

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

Let's say that one were doing a STB on 100g MHRB. let's say they used roughly 600ml of water to (very roughly) 100g of pure lye, then added about 60-65 ml of naptha to take advantage of the avdantage of slightly heating the naphtha.

let's also say that this person noticed that the solution was very thick and that thinning it out a bit might aid the solvent in collecting the goodies.

question: can this person safely add a little more water and a little more lye to the solution? any dangers or pitfalls to doignt his revision?

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

also, is a 24 hour soak absolutely necessary for a first pull if you don't have a sub-zero freezer for precip?

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

okay, impatient little bugger that he is, he added 100ml more water, but he didn't basify the water first. will this affect the solution: the fact that pure water was introduced later? he sincerely hopes he didn't totally bungle his first attempt at this.

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

update - the naptha layer seems to be taking longer to separate since he added the plain water. it also seems to be taking on a purple hue. has he screwed the pooch? should he add more base. remove naphtha layer and try again? he'd hate to think he lost a lot of his yield if he discards this first pull with the purple hue. i could really use some advice asap, especially if there's something i can do quickly to save this experiment.

perhaps waiting longer for the separation will clear it up?

please help.

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

forgive my noobish panic attack. the top layer only seemed purple because of the residue on the sides of the glass. siphoning with a 10cc hypodermic needle yielded nice yellow naphtha with no sludge or base mix residue. 40 ml of saturated naphtha are freeze precipitating in my regular old freezer set on low.

fingers crossed.

 

[triptonite]

I'm abit confused regarding extractions since my fav shop isn't selling powdered bark anymore. So my question is, do I have to shred/pulverise the MHRB further or can I just cook the larger pieces MHRB longer?(Using A/B)

All help regarding this would make me really happy, since I don't own any coffee grinder or similiar.

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

i'm not expecting a speedy response, if any at all, but it would be really nice if someone could answer just one question for me.

is it normal for naphtha pulls to precipitate a yellow/amber sludgy substance under the layer of tiny white crystals? it would be nice to know before i bioassay this spice. i'm sure it's not contamination from my base mixture. i've had amber spice before, and loved it just fine, but i was expecting my first pulls to yield only white crystals.

help?

 

[gammagore]

i'm not expecting a speedy response, if any at all, but it would be really nice if someone could answer just one question for me.

is it normal for naphtha pulls to precipitate a yellow/amber sludgy substance under the layer of tiny white crystals? it would be nice to know before i bioassay this spice. i'm sure it's not contamination from my base mixture. i've had amber spice before, and loved it just fine, but i was expecting my first pulls to yield only white crystals.

help?

Normal, whats normal?

to answer your question, somtimes. The length at which the naptha was left in with the soup, the heat of the soup and naptha all play a part in the color of the naptha. Normaly when I do a 1st and 2nd pull I get only whitish spice, but I use very little heat and make the pull a quik pull. Afer that I start getting more of the yellow. An a/b seems to give better results though, IME.

If you arent happy with what you have, do a re-x and separate the sludge from the white spice.

Also somthing to remember, people do answer the questions here, maybe not instantly but they will get answered, its only when you are mid extraction that it might not feel like you are getting any help. What you could do next time you are mid extraction and need some help, pop into the chat, there is always somone there wiling to help.

 

[gammagore]

I'm abit confused regarding extractions since my fav shop isn't selling powdered bark anymore. So my question is, do I have to shred/pulverise the MHRB further or can I just cook the larger pieces MHRB longer?(Using A/B)

All help regarding this would make me really happy, since I don't own any coffee grinder or similiar.

ye dude, if you have got whole bark, or even "pieces" you are going to want to break it up more. The finer its broken down the more surface area there is for the acids/bases/solvent to do their work.

you will want to break id down more forsure, you have no blender either? if not id sugest investing in one. a glass one would work best id think. if thats not available id probably just try and chop it up with scissors/wire cutters or smt.

Also a long acid soak wont hurt the yield.

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

very sincerely, thanks, gammagore. you said...

"If you arent happy with what you have, do a re-x and separate the sludge from the white spice."

from what i've read, the yellow sludge could contain 5-meo-dmt, and i've only ever broken through with amber spice (weird) and love it. best experience of my life thus far, hands down. but, if i wanted to make sure to have only pure dmt xtals, i'm assuming the rerystallization process involves dissolving in naphtha and precipitating again, but at what point would i be able to separate the white from the yellow? right now it seems like i could almost pick out the white xtals if i had wee little carnie worker hands and an equally wee set of tweezers.

there's probably a link that'll fix me right up.

thanks again for your help.

 

[gammagore]

from what i've read, the yellow sludge could contain 5-meo-dmt, ......

We are talking of MHRB, right? If so where do you read that it could contain 5meo?

 

[Shiva H. Vishnu]

come to think of it, that's chaliponga. so, no chance of other active alkaloids in MHRB? is jungle spice a chaliponga extraction? i always though jungle spice was just the name for amber spice, and i'd also heard that jungle contains MEO. i'm open to the idea that i have no idea what i'm talking about. i'm new to this thing.

this indescribably awesome thing.

 

[endlessness]

come to think of it, that's chaliponga. so, no chance of other active alkaloids in MHRB? is jungle spice a chaliponga extraction? i always though jungle spice was just the name for amber spice, and i'd also heard that jungle contains MEO. i'm open to the idea that i have no idea what i'm talking about. i'm new to this thing.

this indescribably awesome thing.

FAQ: Jungle Spice

 

[owsley]

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